List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[Peel67skin]

Hall - Eagles first Rd replacement
Lynch - combo Replacement
Barlow - GC first Rd replacement
Rosa - Geelong 2nd Rd replacement
Rischitelli - Essendon 2nd Rd replacement
lonergan- Fremantle 3rd Rd replacement
Leslie - GC 3rd Rd replacement

As much I rated Graham and Koenan , prefer to rookie them if nobody select ( Third Rd) them.

Rookie list
Max spencer
mac Willis
Mapheson

 

[footylover18]

So lloyd, newman, weitering, wallis, dahlhaus whoever just aslong as they are prepared to bleed for this football club because im sick of feeling like im the only one who would.

i feel like that approach might be counter intuitive though. you may feel differently, but my view is that at this point in time, FA's coming to the Suns are not doing it to try and get team success, they'd be doing it because you offered them the best contract. Are such mercenaries the types you'd expect to "bleed for the club"? I'm not saying they wont be committed etc, but generally speaking, if that's what you are after then building through the draft is really the only way.

If you want guys that may turn out to be the heart and soul of the club im not sure the cheque book is the best approach to finding them.

 

[supernova_]

i feel like that approach might be counter intuitive though. you may feel differently, but my view is that at this point in time, FA's coming to the Suns are not doing it to try and get team success, they'd be doing it because you offered them the best contract. Are such mercenaries the types you'd expect to "bleed for the club"? I'm not saying they wont be committed etc, but generally speaking, if that's what you are after then building through the draft is really the only way.

If you want guys that may turn out to be the heart and soul of the club im not sure the cheque book is the best approach to finding them.

I disagree, you can't tell me Goddard, Stringer, Dev Smith haven't shown passion and desire more than they ever have had their first club?

 

[Peel67skin]

I disagree, you can't tell me Goddard, Stringer, Dev Smith haven't shown passion and desire more than they ever have had their first club?

Well so far who coming to GC shows passion and desire . Ablett, Campbell brown all premiership player like Wallis and Dalhaus . You are just doing the same thing with a different name .

 

[17er]

i feel like that approach might be counter intuitive though. you may feel differently, but my view is that at this point in time, FA's coming to the Suns are not doing it to try and get team success, they'd be doing it because you offered them the best contract. Are such mercenaries the types you'd expect to "bleed for the club"? I'm not saying they wont be committed etc, but generally speaking, if that's what you are after then building through the draft is really the only way.

If you want guys that may turn out to be the heart and soul of the club im not sure the cheque book is the best approach to finding them.

You seem to have a lot of opinions about our club, yet don't really know all that much about our list. Suns have been rebuilding the list for several years and there are players in development that you can't possibly know much about or how they are tracking. The imperative for the current group is to build the midfield, but there is already a solid foundation to work with as well as players who have only been in the system a short while. Guys like Brodie and Scrimshaw have had disruptions to their development, but will eventually emerge as top 22 players. Wil Powell is a great little player who just scored a goal with his first kick in AFL footy and has been compared to Jack Martin, himself a midfielder who has been played a lot in the forward line due to lack of size.

Free Agents on the Suns' radar are going to be placeholders for emerging talent coming through. When the right guy comes in and displaces one of our current mids, we will probably shift Swallow forward into a Zeibel type role and watch him kick multiple goals because he's a good mark, reads the ball and fights so hard in the clinches. Rischitelli will fade into retirement, but not until he's well and truly been replaced because you'd rather have him running around in reserves and playing a leadership role than cutting him for a C-Grader. So getting an A-grade Free Agent is our priority and it isn't at all asking too much to to demand that they show some passion for the footy club.

As I said, the Suns are rebuilding having recruited 32 players in the past 3 trade/draft periods and already delisting 5 of those. 9 Academy players have come into the squad in that time, so that's 33% of net recruitment, which should give you some idea of the direction the club is going. A fairly small number of listed players have come from other clubs and the ones in our top age bracket are not far from retirement, so that list will grow smaller. Guys like Holman and Young are placeholders for young talent to replace, but the team needs mature and experienced bodies now and only a couple of pre-seasons will give their eventual replacements . We are well into our rebuild and it is mostly through the draft that we are doing it, with 6 picks inside #42 and counting for this year's draft.

 

[footylover18]

I disagree, you can't tell me Goddard, Stringer, Dev Smith haven't shown passion and desire more than they ever have had their first club?

Stringer and Dev not there yet. Goddard took a while, you'll recall he cried the first time we played the Saints.

But yeh, i think the same sort of principle applies. The main difference being that i think guys like Goddard, Dev etc thought they could achieve success with Essendon in the short to medium term whereas im not sure FA's would feel that way about the GC just yet, which leaves only the $$ as the main reason for choosing the Suns.

 

[supernova_]

Stringer and Dev not there yet. Goddard took a while, you'll recall he cried the first time we played the Saints.

But yeh, i think the same sort of principle applies. The main difference being that i think guys like Goddard, Dev etc thought they could achieve success with Essendon in the short to medium term whereas im not sure FA's would feel that way about the GC just yet, which leaves only the $$ as the main reason for choosing the Suns.

not just $$, there is also lifestyle and family. I've turned down personally to work in Malaysia and Melbourne for those very reasons...money was far better in both instances, and now considering an opportunity in Sydney but it's still at the detriment of the 2 values I mentioned.

 

[footylover18]

You seem to have a lot of opinions about our club, yet don't really know all that much about our list. Suns have been rebuilding the list for several years and there are players in development that you can't possibly know much about or how they are tracking. The imperative for the current group is to build the midfield, but there is already a solid foundation to work with as well as players who have only been in the system a short while. Guys like Brodie and Scrimshaw have had disruptions to their development, but will eventually emerge as top 22 players. Wil Powell is a great little player who just scored a goal with his first kick in AFL footy and has been compared to Jack Martin, himself a midfielder who has been played a lot in the forward line due to lack of size.

Free Agents on the Suns' radar are going to be placeholders for emerging talent coming through. When the right guy comes in and displaces one of our current mids, we will probably shift Swallow forward into a Zeibel type role and watch him kick multiple goals because he's a good mark, reads the ball and fights so hard in the clinches. Rischitelli will fade into retirement, but not until he's well and truly been replaced because you'd rather have him running around in reserves and playing a leadership role than cutting him for a C-Grader. So getting an A-grade Free Agent is our priority and it isn't at all asking too much to to demand that they show some passion for the footy club.

As I said, the Suns are rebuilding having recruited 32 players in the past 3 trade/draft periods and already delisting 5 of those. 9 Academy players have come into the squad in that time, so that's 33% of net recruitment, which should give you some idea of the direction the club is going. A fairly small number of listed players have come from other clubs and the ones in our top age bracket are not far from retirement, so that list will grow smaller. Guys like Holman and Young are placeholders for young talent to replace, but the team needs mature and experienced bodies now and only a couple of pre-seasons will give their eventual replacements . We are well into our rebuild and it is mostly through the draft that we are doing it, with 6 picks inside #42 and counting for this year's draft.

I prob have more of an idea about your list than you are giving me credit for.

I have no issue with recruiting guys like Holman. As you said, that's a genuine placeholder and most importantly is fighting for his AFL career so you know he's not going to leave anything on the field.

My initial comment was targeting guys like Lloyd.

Now if the options are:

Lloyd vs noone and cap space you can't spend. Then sure, by all means get Lloyd.

But if the option is Llyod vs someone else good in a position of need then im not sure why you'd be focussing on Lloyd.

Nic Newman is another one ive seen mentioned several times. Why on earth would you want him? The Swans are playing all and sundry ahead of him and yet he's on your list of off-season targets?

I like the kids you have coming through, i do have questions on your player development but i guess thats a different discussion.

Will Brodie should have gotten 15-30 games by now. I keep reading that he's not ready or isn't performing in the 2s but do we honestly think that Dow was ready early this season? Or Zac Fisher early last season? Or Hunter Clark early this season? You have to just pump games into these kids. And give them the best possible chance of succeeding by not playing them out of position. Scrimshaw i appreciate has been hurt and also has not got the tank to play AFL, but it boggles my mind that Brodie has played 5 games in a season and a half. Another reason i keep reading is "he needs to earn it in the NEAFL", yet each week i see him putting up good numbers and yet Will Powell gets a game before him?

 

[footylover18]

not just $$, there is also lifestyle and family. I've turned down personally to work in Malaysia and Melbourne for those very reasons...money was far better in both instances, and now considering an opportunity in Sydney but it's still at the detriment of the 2 values I mentioned.

Yeh, im not saying that GC will never be an attractive destination. But i'm sure you'd agree, as a football proposition, its not there yet. And when you are throwing big $$ at a potential recruit, im not sure you'd want his decision to be about lifestyle. It has to be about his desire to achieve success at the club.

 

[supernova_]

Yeh, im not saying that GC will never be an attractive destination. But i'm sure you'd agree, as a football proposition, its not there yet. And when you are throwing big $$ at a potential recruit, im not sure you'd want his decision to be about lifestyle. It has to be about his desire to achieve success at the club.

Yes and no. There is also the aspect ala Ablett, money plus the challenge of achieving something special - he already achieved everything at Geelong, was given a golden ticket and the biggest challenge in the footy landscape. Suffice to say it was a bit of a bust in some areas, and a win a couple others. Lifestyle and anonymity was certainly high on his value list in that instance, as was the paycheck, as was the challenge of a brand new club.

There is still that pipe dream for the next FA to sink his teeth into as well, now that we have the best facilities in the land after Comm Games, budding new coach, and the lifestyle is still top notch (bar M1 traffic). Just have to change the Vic narrative, and it can easily be swung the other way very quickly. Media of the last 10-15 years is ridiculously influential, I think a lot agree that it's lost its way in that regard as well.

 

[footylover18]

Yes and no. There is also the aspect ala Ablett, money plus the challenge of achieving something special - he already achieved everything at Geelong, was given a golden ticket and the biggest challenge in the footy landscape. Suffice to say it was a bit of a bust in some areas, and a win a couple others. Lifestyle and anonymity was certainly high on his value list in that instance, as was the paycheck, as was the challenge of a brand new club.

There is still that pipe dream for the next FA to sink his teeth into as well, now that we have the best facilities in the land after Comm Games, budding new coach, and the lifestyle is still top notch (bar M1 traffic). Just have to change the Vic narrative, and it can easily be swung the other way very quickly. Media of the last 10-15 years is ridiculously influential, I think a lot agree that it's lost its way in that regard as well.

yeh, i dont disagree. its not an even competition. simple as that. the interstate clubs are up against it and the QLD clubs even more so.

as an aside, as a Suns supporter did you ever truly feel that GAJ was the heart and soul of the club? he was the most influential and the most prominent but i always felt that GAJ was about GAJ. Its funny seeing him play for Geelong right now, granted he's not the player he was, but all these little cheap possessions that the GC kids used to feed him he no longer gets at Geelong.

 

[Jirik13]

yeh, i dont disagree. its not an even competition. simple as that. the interstate clubs are up against it and the QLD clubs even more so.

as an aside, as a Suns supporter did you ever truly feel that GAJ was the heart and soul of the club? he was the most influential and the most prominent but i always felt that GAJ was about GAJ. Its funny seeing him play for Geelong right now, granted he's not the player he was, but all these little cheap possessions that the GC kids used to feed him he no longer gets at Geelong.

GAJ is always about himself regardless which team he plays for.

 

[SandyToes]

yeh, i dont disagree. its not an even competition. simple as that. the interstate clubs are up against it and the QLD clubs even more so.

as an aside, as a Suns supporter did you ever truly feel that GAJ was the heart and soul of the club? he was the most influential and the most prominent but i always felt that GAJ was about GAJ. Its funny seeing him play for Geelong right now, granted he's not the player he was, but all these little cheap possessions that the GC kids used to feed him he no longer gets at Geelong.

I often say that my kids never wanted his number on their back
Tom Lynch, Harbs,Harley Bennell Maysie have been the go for us
He was divisive - not in any way unifying
It is funny seeing the Geelong guys ignore him

 

[17er]

I prob have more of an idea about your list than you are giving me credit for.

I have no issue with recruiting guys like Holman. As you said, that's a genuine placeholder and most importantly is fighting for his AFL career so you know he's not going to leave anything on the field.

My initial comment was targeting guys like Lloyd.

Now if the options are:

Lloyd vs noone and cap space you can't spend. Then sure, by all means get Lloyd.

But if the option is Llyod vs someone else good in a position of need then im not sure why you'd be focussing on Lloyd.

Nic Newman is another one ive seen mentioned several times. Why on earth would you want him? The Swans are playing all and sundry ahead of him and yet he's on your list of off-season targets?

I like the kids you have coming through, i do have questions on your player development but i guess thats a different discussion.

Will Brodie should have gotten 15-30 games by now. I keep reading that he's not ready or isn't performing in the 2s but do we honestly think that Dow was ready early this season? Or Zac Fisher early last season? Or Hunter Clark early this season? You have to just pump games into these kids. And give them the best possible chance of succeeding by not playing them out of position. Scrimshaw i appreciate has been hurt and also has not got the tank to play AFL, but it boggles my mind that Brodie has played 5 games in a season and a half. Another reason i keep reading is "he needs to earn it in the NEAFL", yet each week i see him putting up good numbers and yet Will Powell gets a game before him?

Scrimshaw and Brodie both have suspect tanks. They are also both shy of their 20th birthdays, so getting NEAFL games into them has been essential for their growth. The guys getting games ahead of them include Bowes and Scheer, who each came up through the NEAFL team so they are in the system and are known commodities. With them out, Brodie has come in and Scrimshaw isn't far behind.

You have to remember that this team has been strong enough in training for Barlow to miss out on selection until he was picked and played poorly. Brodie got a chance too and lost his spot due to poor footy. This team would be on 6 or 7 wins if it had played 4 more games at Metricon and had a little better luck with injuries. The toll of the unprecedented travel has robbed the team of success and the selection policy has preserved a lot of younger gun players.

I'm not sold on the names mentioned for Free Agency either. I'm more minded to hit up Collingwood for a guy like Phillips or dangle our West Coast 1st rounder to other clubs for a big-bodied mid who they can't afford to pay.

 

[GC2015]

I decided to look into QLDers in the league that don't play for us or Brisbane just to get an idea of who we could possibly target.

Collingwood
Adam Oxley - Brisbane
Josh Smith - Brisbane
Josh Thomas - Brisbane

Fremantle
Lee Spurr - Brisbane

Geelong
Wylie Buzza - Gympie
Zac Smith - Rockhampton

Greater Western Sydney
Lachlan Keeffe - Brisbane
Sam Reid - Brisbane

Hawthorn
Brendan Whitecross - Brisbane

Melbourne
Oskar Baker - Brisbane
Josh Wagner - Brisbane

North Melbourne
Tom Jeffries - Brisbane
Braydon Preuss - Townsville
Declan Watson - Brisbane
Josh Williams - Townsville

Port Adelaide
Charlie Dixon - Cairns

Richmond
Mabior Chol - Brisbane

St Kilda
David Armitage - Mackay
Sam Gilbert - Gold Coast
Tom Hickey - Brisbane

Sydney
Aliir Aliir - Brisbane


Who would actually be worth chasing? I think it's worth looking into Josh Thomas and Aliir Aliir. We could also possibly look into Armitage and/or Gilbert for an Andrew Raines type situation where we give them a one year contract with full intention of keeping them in the NEAFL and a future coaching role at the club. What do you guys think?

 

[Peel67skin]

I decided to look into QLDers in the league that don't play for us or Brisbane just to get an idea of who we could possibly target.

Collingwood
Adam Oxley - Brisbane
Josh Smith - Brisbane
Josh Thomas - Brisbane

Fremantle
Lee Spurr - Brisbane

Geelong
Wylie Buzza - Gympie
Zac Smith - Rockhampton

Greater Western Sydney
Lachlan Keeffe - Brisbane
Sam Reid - Brisbane

Hawthorn
Brendan Whitecross - Brisbane

Melbourne
Oskar Baker - Brisbane
Josh Wagner - Brisbane

North Melbourne
Tom Jeffries - Brisbane
Braydon Preuss - Townsville
Declan Watson - Brisbane
Josh Williams - Townsville

Port Adelaide
Charlie Dixon - Cairns

Richmond
Mabior Chol - Brisbane

St Kilda
David Armitage - Mackay
Sam Gilbert - Gold Coast
Tom Hickey - Brisbane

Sydney
Aliir Aliir - Brisbane


Who would actually be worth chasing? I think it's worth looking into Josh Thomas and Aliir Aliir. We could also possibly look into Armitage and/or Gilbert for an Andrew Raines type situation where we give them a one year contract with full intention of keeping them in the NEAFL and a future coaching role at the club. What do you guys think?

Do GC actually need Armitage or Gilbert ?
Swallow ,May , Thompson , Day all already 25, 26 coming from 18 years old. If they can't replace Ablett, Harbrow as leader I don't know who will and Jack Martin , Weller , Ah Chee , Wright , Miller are around 22-24 years old , Sexton , Young should be playing in NeAFL if off form and provide leadership instead of Armitage /Gilbert .

 

[Jirik13]

I decided to look into QLDers in the league that don't play for us or Brisbane just to get an idea of who we could possibly target.

Collingwood
Adam Oxley - Brisbane
Josh Smith - Brisbane
Josh Thomas - Brisbane

Fremantle
Lee Spurr - Brisbane

Geelong
Wylie Buzza - Gympie
Zac Smith - Rockhampton

Greater Western Sydney
Lachlan Keeffe - Brisbane
Sam Reid - Brisbane

Hawthorn
Brendan Whitecross - Brisbane

Melbourne
Oskar Baker - Brisbane
Josh Wagner - Brisbane

North Melbourne
Tom Jeffries - Brisbane
Braydon Preuss - Townsville
Declan Watson - Brisbane
Josh Williams - Townsville

Port Adelaide
Charlie Dixon - Cairns

Richmond
Mabior Chol - Brisbane

St Kilda
David Armitage - Mackay
Sam Gilbert - Gold Coast
Tom Hickey - Brisbane

Sydney
Aliir Aliir - Brisbane


Who would actually be worth chasing? I think it's worth looking into Josh Thomas and Aliir Aliir. We could also possibly look into Armitage and/or Gilbert for an Andrew Raines type situation where we give them a one year contract with full intention of keeping them in the NEAFL and a future coaching role at the club. What do you guys think?

Just Thomas.

 

[kreglze]

Aliir Aliir had a pretty good game against the Cats Friday.

Thomas would also be handy.

 

[GcSunsfan]

I decided to look into QLDers in the league that don't play for us or Brisbane just to get an idea of who we could possibly target.

Collingwood
Adam Oxley - Brisbane
Josh Smith - Brisbane
Josh Thomas - Brisbane

Fremantle
Lee Spurr - Brisbane

Geelong
Wylie Buzza - Gympie
Zac Smith - Rockhampton

Greater Western Sydney
Lachlan Keeffe - Brisbane
Sam Reid - Brisbane

Hawthorn
Brendan Whitecross - Brisbane

Melbourne
Oskar Baker - Brisbane
Josh Wagner - Brisbane

North Melbourne
Tom Jeffries - Brisbane
Braydon Preuss - Townsville
Declan Watson - Brisbane
Josh Williams - Townsville

Port Adelaide
Charlie Dixon - Cairns

Richmond
Mabior Chol - Brisbane

St Kilda
David Armitage - Mackay
Sam Gilbert - Gold Coast
Tom Hickey - Brisbane

Sydney
Aliir Aliir - Brisbane


Who would actually be worth chasing? I think it's worth looking into Josh Thomas and Aliir Aliir. We could also possibly look into Armitage and/or Gilbert for an Andrew Raines type situation where we give them a one year contract with full intention of keeping them in the NEAFL and a future coaching role at the club. What do you guys think?

Josh Thomas and maybe Aliir Aliir.

 

[Scotty_222]

If we were take Gilbert I’d personally storm the head quarters looking for blood

 

[Cochblocked]

If we were take Gilbert I’d personally storm the head quarters looking for blood

The same for armitage

 

[kreglze]

Armo was the right guy 3 years ago. Not now though, too late.

 

[Iva Bigun]

not just $$, there is also lifestyle and family. I've turned down personally to work in Malaysia and Melbourne for those very reasons...money was far better in both instances, and now considering an opportunity in Sydney but it's still at the detriment of the 2 values I mentioned.

Don’t come to Shitney supernova_ while the money may be better the housing market ( renting and buying) is outrageous and disproportionate to the wages and getting around the city is a nightmare. I will be returning to the GC as soon as I can land a decent job

 

[gcsunsfc]

David Armitage is basically Jesse Lonergan

 

[supernova_]

Don’t come to Shitney supernova_ while the money may be better the housing market ( renting and buying) is outrageous and disproportionate to the wages and getting around the city is a nightmare. I will be returning to the GC as soon as I can land a decent job

I know, still negotiating and hopeful of staying, because I don't think they will get to my figure for me to relocate the family.