List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[thurls64]

I think late 2nd round tbh. 30-36 or so.

or a player swap for a more mature player we want may be a better deal

 

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[robo_1]

Just dealing in the world where people with good sources are saying he is getting a deal to come back next year - make the best of it and at least clear spots on senior list so we can draft players for the future

Probably the same good sources that said Andrew Swallow was a lock to sign

 

[SunsBhoy]

Gotta love the Coch .


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[Ben Drever]

or a player swap for a more mature player we want may be a better deal

Straight swap for Hannerbury

 

[Peel67skin]

Straight swap for Hannerbury

Genuine question why you like player that look cooked this year or had bad injuries history .

 

[SunsBhoy]

Straight swap for Hannerbury

He is that cooked he is nearly ready for serving.


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[gcsunsfc]

North Melbourne could do with some outside run? Any clubs confirmed interested?

Anyone we like from nm?
Depending on draft plans I would swap for McKay (doubt they would)

Potentially we could give a pick plus hall for mason wood (also doibt they would)

 

[thurls64]

North Melbourne could do with some outside run? Any clubs confirmed interested?

Anyone we like from nm?
Depending on draft plans I would swap for McKay (doubt they would)

Potentially we could give a pick plus hall for mason wood (also doibt they would)

they would be the logical team to chase and need him

 

[gcsunsfc]

Don’t know if this is at all possible.

And I’m sure will be howled down but..

Jarrod witts - yes he gets a lot of hit outs. But I’m not sold on his effectiveness - hta%? I’d say not in the upper echelon.

Brandon preuss seems a pretty good comparison, younger, Qlder who is desperate for a starting job.

Would it be totally dumb to swap witts and hall for preuss and a definite starting 22 nm player? Mason wood and a 3rd rounder?

 

[nutstar]

No way. If Witts was in a better midfield he's be a top 5 ruck in the competition . We just haven't had enough strong midfielders to take his hitouts and turn them to clearances.

 

[gcsunsfc]

Goldstein been playing pretty well so retirement probably too far away for this to be a legitimate trade.

Just throwing out ideas though

 

[gcsunsfc]

No way. If Witts was in a better midfield he's be a top 5 ruck in the competition . We just haven't had enough strong midfielders to take his hitouts and turn them to clearances.

Hmm maybe.
I get the feeling he is quite limited in terms of where he hits it.
Be very interesting to see some stats about direction and distance from the stoppage.
When he has a major advantage against a dougal Howard, Shaun grigg type he just seems to drop it at the foot of the pack.

Even if we get our hands on that it’s pretty hard to extract. Don’t think he hits out of the immediate area to advantage very often.

 

[17er]

North Melbourne could do with some outside run? Any clubs confirmed interested?

Anyone we like from nm?
Depending on draft plans I would swap for McKay (doubt they would)

Potentially we could give a pick plus hall for mason wood (also doibt they would)

Josh Williams was pick #36 in 2016. Suns Academy player taken by North Melbourne. 189cm 77kg 20yo

Seems a good trade for Hall

 

[17er]

Hmm maybe.
I get the feeling he is quite limited in terms of where he hits it.
Be very interesting to see some stats about direction and distance from the stoppage.
When he has a major advantage against a dougal Howard, Shaun grigg type he just seems to drop it at the foot of the pack.

Even if we get our hands on that it’s pretty hard to extract. Don’t think he hits out of the immediate area to advantage very often.

Witts is in the top 100 players in the AFL in terms of raw stats, but his technique lets him down. Should be given credit for vast improvement lately that has seen his stats dominance go down while team clearances have gone up.

 

[Peel67skin]

Hmm maybe.
I get the feeling he is quite limited in terms of where he hits it.
Be very interesting to see some stats about direction and distance from the stoppage.
When he has a major advantage against a dougal Howard, Shaun grigg type he just seems to drop it at the foot of the pack.

Even if we get our hands on that it’s pretty hard to extract. Don’t think he hits out of the immediate area to advantage very often.

Is Preuss better than Witts , I rather Hall + Nicholls for Preuss . Witts just need to practice his set shots and field kicking .

 

[SunsBhoy]

Is Preuss better than Witts , I rather Hall + Nicholls for Preuss . Witts just need to practice his set shots and field kicking .

Witts one of the best young ruckman in the league , will get better.


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[17er]

Witts one of the best young ruckman in the league , will get better.


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People often overlook how long it takes for a ruckman to develop. Even Ryder and NicNat took years to develop and they are not young anymore. The question is, how many rucks do you want on the list? Right now we have Witts, Wright, Crossley, Day and Leslie, which is such a versatile ruck group that they could all play in the same 22 (4 of them did in Round 14).

 

[SunsBhoy]

People often overlook how long it takes for a ruckman to develop. Even Ryder and NicNat took years to develop and they are not young anymore. The question is, how many rucks do you want on the list? Right now we have Witts, Wright, Crossley, Day and Leslie, which is such a versatile ruck group that they could all play in the same 22 (4 of them did in Round 14).

Right now we only have the 2 rucks on our list in Witts and Nicholls the rest are forwards who pinch hit , think that’s a nice balance how we have it.


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[kreglze]

I think you need 3 ruckman on a list at all times IMO.

But the 3rd Ruckman should be a developing 18/19 year old who knows he probably won't get a game for a few years.

 

[17er]

Right now we only have the 2 rucks on our list in Witts and Nicholls the rest are forwards who pinch hit , think that’s a nice balance how we have it.


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I knew there was one I was forgetting. Tommy Nicholls has copped a lot of flak, but I think he was developing into a decent ruckman. If he can put his athleticism, talent and ruck skill together to consistently perform above average he could be a starting ruckman somewhere, but this season he had terrible luck by being fit for the beginning and having an injury which has knocked him out until the final rounds. If he does come back in the NEAFL it will be good for him as an individual and great for the prospects of the NEAFL side trying to impact the finals as they are operating without a recognised ruckman because Leslie is playing Fullback. I would also say that Peter Wright would be ahead of Nicholls in the pecking order and Crossley is the form player of the lot.

 

[17er]

Jack Leslie was recruited as a ruckman with potential to play as a defender.
Peter Wright was recruited as a goalkicking ruckman.
Brayden Crossley was recruited as U18 All Australian ruckman.
Sam Day is a pinch hitter.

 

[Peel67skin]

Koenan in but not Graham .

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-27/matureage-pair-invited-to-draft-combine

Or Graham will be the next Powell .( State Combine)

 

[17er]

Koenan in but not Graham .

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-27/matureage-pair-invited-to-draft-combine

Or Graham will be the next Powell .

Only 6 players from across the 6 NEAFL Academies! And 25 from Vic Metro, including Max King who has just done an ACL and didn't play in the Nat Champs. The Allies had 6 players in the U18 All-Australian team to Vic Metro's 5, yet the Combine didn't even bother inviting Caleb Graham who is better than most of Vic Metro's over rated team. Vic Country couldn't win a game all tournament, yet had 19 kids invited.

Seems like a cynical exercise, sort of saying "have a look at this candy, but you can only have it if you make a crazy early bid and the club that has invested years into the kid strangely doesn't match the bid." Still, we shouldn't be upset because for those who've tracked Graham's career, he's going to be a star and the the fewer scouts who see him in position (he is currently playing as a ruckman in the NEAFL) the better.

 

[Peel67skin]

Only 6 players from across the 6 NEAFL Academies! And 25 from Vic Metro, including Max King who has just done an ACL and didn't play in the Nat Champs. The Allies had 6 players in the U18 All-Australian team to Vic Metro's 5, yet the Combine didn't even bother inviting Caleb Graham who is better than most of Vic Metro's over rated team. Vic Country couldn't win a game all tournament, yet had 19 kids invited.

Seems like a cynical exercise, sort of saying "have a look at this candy, but you can only have it if you make a crazy early bid and the club that has invested years into the kid strangely doesn't match the bid." Still, we shouldn't be upset because for those who've tracked Graham's career, he's going to be a star and the the fewer scouts who see him in position (he is currently playing as a ruckman in the NEAFL) the better.

I am the least upset , I always said not all Club see players as supporters do . They need to look at their overall list need. How many KPD they need , do the current KPD worth Keeping or Delist for Koenan /Graham type to come in .

Eg if I am going to delist Leslie , how long it take for Graham and Koenan to have an AFL body . If nobody pick Graham up in ND is it better for him to be Rookie B and later upgrade him if he improve ( Dawson , Heron ) .