List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[17er]

Makes sense for Fremantle to push for pick 1 from Carlton if Brisbane do sign Neale due to KPF still being their biggest issue.

Fremanle
IN: Pick 1
OUT: Lachie Neale, Future second

Brisbane
IN: Lachie Neale
OUT: Pick 4, Pick 22

Carlton
IN: Pick 4, Mitch McGovern
OUT: Pick 1

Adelaide
IN: Pick 22, Future Second (Fre)
OUT: Mitch McGovern

Adelaide if they were desperate for rankine could then offer

7, 12, 22 for pick 3 and 21 from the saints.

You might want to look at that trade again. Brisbane has pick #5, Freo has pick #6. Also, Brisbane won't have #22, it will be several spots later due to priority picks, compensation picks and bid matching for father/sons and Academy-tied players, so even if it has the value of perhaps #25 in the trade period it may not be usable until much later. You calculation values Brisbane's picks at 2879 points, which is almost worth pick #1, it is probably only worth 2634 with my adjustments. Don't get me wrong, I like the creativity of what would have to be one of the more convoluted trades ever, but there are some sticking points.

- Carlton don't want or need Mitch McGovern
- Freo need more draft picks, not fewer
- If Freo's hard-nosed trading with Weller is anything to go by, the Lions will be dealing with the w***ers until deadline day unless they agree to pay overs from the outset.
- Adelaide doesn't have #7 or #12. They have #8 and their 2nd pick is tied to the Demons, so #14 to #19 depending on results

 

[17er]

Bulldog very Keen on Rozee , if Bailey Smith and Rankine not available .

I'd have thought the Bulldogs would want a King twin to fall to them given how thin they are for Key Position Forwards. They also have to pay for Rhylee West and unless he slips until the 2nd round, they couldn't afford him with their current picks. Compo for Dahlhaus will help, but I'd have thought the Dogs would be shopping their pick to move back with someone like Adelaide, Port or even the Suns.

 

[SnusCG]

You might want to look at that trade again. Brisbane has pick #5, Freo has pick #6. Also, Brisbane won't have #22, it will be several spots later due to priority picks, compensation picks and bid matching for father/sons and Academy-tied players, so even if it has the value of perhaps #25 in the trade period it may not be usable until much later. You calculation values Brisbane's picks at 2879 points, which is almost worth pick #1, it is probably only worth 2634 with my adjustments. Don't get me wrong, I like the creativity of what would have to be one of the more convoluted trades ever, but there are some sticking points.

- Carlton don't want or need Mitch McGovern
- Freo need more draft picks, not fewer
- If Freo's hard-nosed trading with Weller is anything to go by, the Lions will be dealing with the w***ers until deadline day unless they agree to pay overs from the outset.
- Adelaide doesn't have #7 or #12. They have #8 and their 2nd pick is tied to the Demons, so #14 to #19 depending on results

We haven't been given pick 3 yet so as it stands, Brisbane do have pick 4 and 22. Free agency picks aren't given out til after trade period so if Brisbane trade their first round pick, it will be considered pick 4 at the time.

Carlton are actively approaching McGovern but won't want to trade pick 1 for him and 7. Pick 4 going back to them instead could sway that.

Fremantle aren't 'losing' draft picks in this scenario, they would enter with pick 1, 5 and 77 where atm they only have 5, 77. Two quality draftees is a good haul after 2 last year as well. They would also definitely accept pick 1 for Neale if he wanted out because that's a huge win.

Adelaide have pick 7 as it stands, because again, free agency picks aren't given our until after trade period + demons first which you're right, is likely to be around 14/16 now.

You need to ignore 'draft points' when factoring in trade relevance as well. It's only a factor for matching bids for academy and father son kids.

 

[17er]

If you look at Canberra demon team majority of them are make up of former Sydney or GWS academy players , Sydney and GWS only pick up academy players that suite their need and willing to let them go undrafted if they think they can't fit into their list .

Southport Sharks are into the NEAFL Grand Final with a side made of washout players from various Academies and AFL lists. Canberra got knocked out of the NEAFL with their team full of Academy rejects. One is a proud club with a history of success and the other is a twice merged conglomerate with a steady stream of Academy burnouts but no culture.

 

[17er]

We haven't been given pick 3 yet so as it stands, Brisbane do have pick 4 and 22. Free agency picks aren't given out til after trade period so if Brisbane trade their first round pick, it will be considered pick 4 at the time.

Carlton are actively approaching McGovern but won't want to trade pick 1 for him and 7. Pick 4 going back to them instead could sway that.

Fremantle aren't 'losing' draft picks in this scenario, they would enter with pick 1, 5 and 77 where atm they only have 5, 77. Two quality draftees is a good haul after 2 last year as well. They would also definitely accept pick 1 for Neale if he wanted out because that's a huge win.

Adelaide have pick 7 as it stands, because again, free agency picks aren't given our until after trade period + demons first which you're right, is likely to be around 14/16 now.

You need to ignore 'draft points' when factoring in trade relevance as well. It's only a factor for matching bids for academy and father son kids.

 

[Peel67skin]

Southport Sharks are into the NEAFL Grand Final with a side made of washout players from various Academies and AFL lists. Canberra got knocked out of the NEAFL with their team full of Academy rejects. One is a proud club with a history of success and the other is a twice merged conglomerate with a steady stream of Academy burnouts but no culture.

Still they make the final and they are in the age range of 19-24 , Southport will get tested vs Sydney , as for culture canberra are like AFL version of GWS and GC suns .
If you look closely at Southport apart from Josh Clayton name me former academy players who is younger than 23 year .

 

[Peel67skin]

We haven't been given pick 3 yet so as it stands, Brisbane do have pick 4 and 22. Free agency picks aren't given out til after trade period so if Brisbane trade their first round pick, it will be considered pick 4 at the time.

Carlton are actively approaching McGovern but won't want to trade pick 1 for him and 7. Pick 4 going back to them instead could sway that.

Fremantle aren't 'losing' draft picks in this scenario, they would enter with pick 1, 5 and 77 where atm they only have 5, 77. Two quality draftees is a good haul after 2 last year as well. They would also definitely accept pick 1 for Neale if he wanted out because that's a huge win.

Adelaide have pick 7 as it stands, because again, free agency picks aren't given our until after trade period + demons first which you're right, is likely to be around 14/16 now.

You need to ignore 'draft points' when factoring in trade relevance as well. It's only a factor for matching bids for academy and father son kids.

I think you selling Mitch short with two second Rd pick .

 

[nutstar]

Lukosius smart hook lead then goal.
He just reads the ball so well.

 

[17er]

I realise the Suns haven't agreed to receive compo and I do not want the club to roll over because the manchild wants his Mummy. However, I just do not see a club that will forward with the kind of compensation that would match or better pick #3, unless it is Carlton with pick #1, St Kilda with their first round pick and another pick, or an intricate player and pick trade between 3 or more clubs.

Where have you heard that "Carlton are actively approaching McGovern"? I could see the Suns involved in a trade like the one you've outlined, but I've only seen the Blues rumours refuted.

Fremantle giving away a future pick and a player to gain a current pick is still net loss. They need picks and even if they were involved in this kind of trade I don't see them wanting pick #1 when they could turn it into multiple picks, which is what they desperately need to continue their rebuild.

The points value chart may not always be reflected in every trade, but it is definitely relevant as a guide, especially when talking about pick trades. I agree that when a player is involved there are always variables, but ignoring the points value altogether is just bad advice. There have been trades that have followed the points chart values almost to the single unit.

 

[17er]

Still they make the final and they are in the age range of 19-24 , Southport will get tested vs Sydney , as for culture canberra are like AFL version of GWS and GC suns .
If you look closely at Southport apart from Josh Clayton name me former academy players who is younger than 23 year .

Tyler Roos, Nick Kempe, Ethan Reeves, Kai Sheers, Shawn Watson, Daniel Charlesworth are all under your random age bracket and all except Roos came from the Suns Academy. What is your point?

 

[Peel67skin]

Tyler Roos, Nick Kempe, Ethan Reeves, Kai Sheers, Shawn Watson, Daniel Charlesworth are all under your random age bracket and all except Roos came from the Suns Academy. What is your point?

Except Reeves and Tyler Roos all did not play against Aspley , my points is they are not good enough to be best 22 . You need experienced players to play NEAFL Final series and Canberra did their best to went as far as they could with a team without culture and wash out former GwS and Sydney academy players .

 

[17er]

Except Reeves and Tyler Roos all did not play against Aspley , my points is they are not good enough to be best 22 . You need experienced players to play NEAFL Final series and Canberra did their best to went as far as they could with a team without culture and wash out former GwS and Sydney academy players .

What is your point?

 

[Peel67skin]

What is your point?

My point I disagree with you view that you compare Southport with Canberra , I would compare Aspley,Redland , NT,Sydney University with Canberra before Southport in term of list and culture .

 

[17er]

My point I disagree with you view that you compare Southport with Canberra , I would compare Aspley vs Canberra and not Southport.

I don't think there is any comparison between Canberra and Southport. The Sharks have recruited players from all over the country and have successfully transitioned some past Suns senior listed players into 2nd tier semi-pro footy, as well as taken on washouts from the Suns Academy and are continuing their development. What you are overlooking about Canberra is that they have actual current GWS Academy players on their list who are Draft eligible this year and could end up on either the Senior or Rookie lists at GWS or another AFL clubs. The Suns and Sharks don't do this.

 

[nutstar]

Lukosius having a bit of a nearly day. Could have kicked 3-4 goals . So instinctive. Played a fair bit on the wing and off half back. Can't wait for him to have his name called out by the suns

 

[THE_GUN]

Lukosius having a bit of a nearly day. Could have kicked 3-4 goals . So instinctive. Played a fair bit on the wing and off half back. Can't wait for him to have his name called out by the suns

If i was a suns supporter i would be wishing that Carlton take Walsh and Suns snap up Lukosius & Rankine
both 200+ game players if ever i seen

 

[17er]

Sorry, my reply came a little after the quote.

 

[17er]

If i was a suns supporter i would be wishing that Carlton take Walsh and Suns snap up Lukosius & Rankine
both 200+ game players if ever i seen

Long time until the Draft and anything could happen in the Trade period to tip that scenario on its head. Personally, I want the Suns to pile up draft picks and trade them as high into the 1st round as possible and take the best players available. Lukosius and Rankine solve two glaring needs for the Suns, but there are 16 teams besides Carlton who might covet one or the other enough to make a play for the number 1 pick. If I was Craig Cameron, I'd be offering Lynch for Pick #1.

 

[THE_GUN]

Long time until the Draft and anything could happen in the Trade period to tip that scenario on its head. Personally, I want the Suns to pile up draft picks and trade them as high into the 1st round as possible and take the best players available. Lukosius and Rankine solve two glaring needs for the Suns, but there are 16 teams besides Carlton who might covet one or the other enough to make a play for the number 1 pick. If I was Craig Cameron, I'd be offering Lynch for Pick #1.

Think you might need Lynch to agree to this

 

[Peel67skin]

Lukosius do play a bit like Jack Watts vs NWD today .

 

[Fat Pizza]

Where have you heard that "Carlton are actively approaching McGovern"? I could see the Suns involved in a trade like the one you've outlined, but I've only seen the Blues rumours refuted.
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An AFL recruiter told me last week he thinks Mitch McGovern is going to Carlton. It seems pretty well accepted that they'll get him.

 

[17er]

An AFL recruiter told me last week he thinks Mitch McGovern is going to Carlton. It seems pretty well accepted that they'll get him.

Yeah, it was the big scoop a week ago, but the story seemed to me to be a Jon Ralph fantasy that was echoed back and forth between Melbourne and Adelaide during a no-footy week. Did you hear the speculation that Mark Williams could be used to get his daughter to convince her partner, Dylan Shiel, to go to Carlton because he's mates with Mitch McGovern? Just what the Blues need: a third best midfielder and 4th best forward from sides that finished middle 6 in exchange for their #1 pick and every other pick they've got.

 

[17er]

Think you might need Lynch to agree to this

If the Suns choose to go nuclear on Lynch and hit the Trade market, surely Carlton's pick would have to be one of the targets. Richmond would be able to provide players and picks to land Lynch through the #1 pick. In a 3 way deal, Carlton and the Suns have the picks required and each want Tigers fringe players. There are a few ways it might go down, including the Suns having to take Levi Casboult in exchange for someone like Aaron Hall, while the Tigers have players for days.

Suns INs: Pick #1, Casboult, Miles?
Suns OUTs: Lynch, Hall?, Pick #29

Blues INs: Pick #17-19, Pick #29, Pick #36, Hall?, Grigg?
Blues OUTs: Pick #1, Casboult

Tigers INs: Lynch
Tigers OUTs: Pick #17-19, Pick #36, Grigg?, Miles?

Miles we know has visited the Suns and is open to the idea. I have chosen Grigg and Casboult as tradebait because both have a year left on their contracts before they can walk away as unrestricted free agents this time next year. The key to this trade even being considered is Richmond's willingness to trust in its current list enough to compromise their draft, possibly next year's draft too. The Blues have the top pick, but an ageing list (6 players over 30) and they have just delisted 3 26yos and a rookie who never debuted in the AFL plus had the cousin Silvagni retire, which mean that only 2 Senior spots and 3 Rookies spots have been vacated. As things stand, the Blues have picks #1, #24, #25, #65 and #73. I don't believe that Carlton will greatly improve this position in the Trade Period without shifting out of pick #1 and the Suns have the best trading piece to help make that happen.

Who knows, maybe Lynch just says yes to going to Carlton?
Maybe Collingwood comes up with a better offer?
Perhaps the Hawks shift the deckchairs around and convince Roughie to head north?
Maybe Lynch gets thrown into the McGovern trade? Would the Tigers trade Jack Graham back to SA to help get MM for the Blues and Lynch to Tigerland?

 

[OB11]

If the Suns choose to go nuclear on Lynch and hit the Trade market, surely Carlton's pick would have to be one of the targets. Richmond would be able to provide players and picks to land Lynch through the #1 pick. In a 3 way deal, Carlton and the Suns have the picks required and each want Tigers fringe players. There are a few ways it might go down, including the Suns having to take Levi Casboult in exchange for someone like Aaron Hall, while the Tigers have players for days.

Suns INs: Pick #1, Casboult, Miles?
Suns OUTs: Lynch, Hall?, Pick #29

Blues INs: Pick #17-19, Pick #29, Pick #36, Hall?, Grigg?
Blues OUTs: Pick #1, Casboult

Tigers INs: Lynch
Tigers OUTs: Pick #17-19, Pick #36, Grigg?, Miles?

Miles we know has visited the Suns and is open to the idea. I have chosen Grigg and Casboult as tradebait because both have a year left on their contracts before they can walk away as unrestricted free agents this time next year. The key to this trade even being considered is Richmond's willingness to trust in its current list enough to compromise their draft, possibly next year's draft too. The Blues have the top pick, but an ageing list (6 players over 30) and they have just delisted 3 26yos and a rookie who never debuted in the AFL plus had the cousin Silvagni retire, which mean that only 2 Senior spots and 3 Rookies spots have been vacated. As things stand, the Blues have picks #1, #24, #25, #65 and #73. I don't believe that Carlton will greatly improve this position in the Trade Period without shifting out of pick #1 and the Suns have the best trading piece to help make that happen.

Who knows, maybe Lynch just says yes to going to Carlton?
Maybe Collingwood comes up with a better offer?
Perhaps the Hawks shift the deckchairs around and convince Roughie to head north?
Maybe Lynch gets thrown into the McGovern trade? Would the Tigers trade Jack Graham back to SA to help get MM for the Blues and Lynch to Tigerland?

I think your starting to get lost down the rabbit hole - relax mate

 

[Peel67skin]

If the Suns choose to go nuclear on Lynch and hit the Trade market, surely Carlton's pick would have to be one of the targets. Richmond would be able to provide players and picks to land Lynch through the #1 pick. In a 3 way deal, Carlton and the Suns have the picks required and each want Tigers fringe players. There are a few ways it might go down, including the Suns having to take Levi Casboult in exchange for someone like Aaron Hall, while the Tigers have players for days.

Suns INs: Pick #1, Casboult, Miles?
Suns OUTs: Lynch, Hall?, Pick #29

Blues INs: Pick #17-19, Pick #29, Pick #36, Hall?, Grigg?
Blues OUTs: Pick #1, Casboult

Tigers INs: Lynch
Tigers OUTs: Pick #17-19, Pick #36, Grigg?, Miles?

Miles we know has visited the Suns and is open to the idea. I have chosen Grigg and Casboult as tradebait because both have a year left on their contracts before they can walk away as unrestricted free agents this time next year. The key to this trade even being considered is Richmond's willingness to trust in its current list enough to compromise their draft, possibly next year's draft too. The Blues have the top pick, but an ageing list (6 players over 30) and they have just delisted 3 26yos and a rookie who never debuted in the AFL plus had the cousin Silvagni retire, which mean that only 2 Senior spots and 3 Rookies spots have been vacated. As things stand, the Blues have picks #1, #24, #25, #65 and #73. I don't believe that Carlton will greatly improve this position in the Trade Period without shifting out of pick #1 and the Suns have the best trading piece to help make that happen.

Who knows, maybe Lynch just says yes to going to Carlton?
Maybe Collingwood comes up with a better offer?
Perhaps the Hawks shift the deckchairs around and convince Roughie to head north?
Maybe Lynch gets thrown into the McGovern trade? Would the Tigers trade Jack Graham back to SA to help get MM for the Blues and Lynch to Tigerland?

You must be Smoking some weird stuff .