List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

[17er]

Hey so about Lyons...

He averaged 76.7% game time in 2018, was this because u guys dont rate him as a player or because he that's all that his fitness allows?

He plays inside mid, so yeah that's about his limit. A poor man's Trent Cotchin, but wouldn't get a game at Richmond. Also played injured and was super slow, which wasn't the case earlier in his career. Brisbane need him for the same purpose that the Suns used him for, which is to basically get in to do the dirty work. Except the Suns wanted him to do a bit more and he wasn't up to it.

If you are looking for clues as to why he wasn't evaluated as highly as the Lions offer, have a look at his fundamentals. Disposal efficiency, goal kicking, 1%ers had all regressed despite his gaudy numbers in accumulating touches around the clearances. He looked especially good alongside Gaz, but even Aaron Hall looked good with Gaz feeding him the ball all day and when none of them defended the fans started microwaving memberships. No, wait, that's just Richmond fans in 2016.

 

[gcsunsfc]

So on the big footy phantom draft we ended up with
2: Lukosius - tick
3: Rozee - tick
6: Smith - tick
26: Curtis Taylor

The write up “Curtis has a wide skill set. When fit he can win the footy on the inside and also on the spread. When in form he is a one touch player who is creative with the footy.
He can play forward and prove a dangerous match up as he is above average in the air for his size. His kicking is a little inconsistent but he does possess the ability to kick goals and hit targets. Stagnated this year possibly due to some injury niggles and subsequently suboptimal fitness.”

Sounds like a pretty good upside pick who could really develop in a professional environment

29: Sydney Stack

The stack pick was questioned given he’s a troubled but talented indigenous kid from WA.

Ned McHenry available at that final spot and my thought is we would take him as an upgrade on lemmens as that pressure forward.


I think we can look forward to a pretty good haul on draft night

 

[SandyToes]

I think we can look forward to a pretty good haul on draft night

Are we there yet?
I don't know why the AFL drags this out so long
It's November and kids don't know what State let alone Club they'll end up
As mentioned a lot of players are already into pre-season

 

[SunsGal]

All we need in the short term from Burgess is a competitor who can contribute by kicking 1-2 goals a game, bring the ball to ground, and not allow his opponent to dictate terms. Lynch hasn't given us much since 2016, so I don't think we'll feel the loss as much as some people do.

Found this interesting draft video of Corey Ellis back in 2014. His brother wanted him at the Suns back then lol. He's had an unlucky run with injury since being drafted. Who knows, we might have scored a bargain rather than a set of steak knives?

Awesome video, such a humble bloke with big wraps on him. Can't wait to see him running around for us

 

[OB11]

Are we there yet?
I don't know why the AFL drags this out so long
It's November and kids don't know what State let alone Club they'll end up
As mentioned a lot of players are already into pre-season

I think it is pretty much to do with kids having exams until mid November

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[Suns of Anarchy]

Suns have interviewed O’Halloran 5-6 times, extremely pleased with his leadership and his loyalty. Will be a one club player where ever he goes


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Cal Twomey mentioned recently that O’Halloran would be a good fit for us as he has family on the Gold Coast already. May have been covered already in here but interesting.

 

[TheSunGod]

Cal Twomey mentioned recently that O’Halloran would be a good fit for us as he has family on the Gold Coast already. May have been covered already in here but interesting.

He's an interesting one. Phantom Drafts have him going anywhere from 12 to 30. Cal Twomey had him around the 30 mark. I'd love him but I'm not sure he'll get past Richmond or West Coast. Would we be that keen to trade up to ensure we to get him? Have a feeling we'll have 5 picks on the night but not necessarily our current picks. We still have a good opportunity to really improve our draft haul using 6, 24, 29 as bait.

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

He's an interesting one. Phantom Drafts have him going anywhere from 12 to 30. Cal Twomey had him around the 30 mark. I'd love him but I'm not sure he'll get past Richmond or West Coast. Would we be that keen to trade up to ensure we to get him? Have a feeling we'll have 5 picks on the night but not necessarily our current picks. We still have a good opportunity to really improve our draft haul using 6, 24, 29 as bait.

Add in McLennan, who actually wants to come us, and we would have to somehow improve 24 & 29 ‘if’ we wanted them both.

 

[Mini GF]

I am really struggling as an adult male that has lived in various isolated places around Australia to continually read in these AFL forums that we should get this guy or bring these guys in together blah blah blah not because he’s the best available but because he’s from SA, or because they are mates, or because they went to school together or because he has family here

FFS we aren’t the Kabul Suns we are the Gold Coast Suns.
Our draft picks are our compensation and equalisation chance to make up for being crap and for suffering.

You do not hear this thing said in other sports that have drafts.

I’m wondering whether AFL people are the softest people in the world.

Pick the best available-I’m sick of being shit.

 

[Brenton87]

I am really struggling as an adult male that has lived in various isolated places around Australia to continually read in these AFL forums that we should get this guy or bring these guys in together blah blah blah not because he’s the best available but because he’s from SA, or because they are mates, or because they went to school together or because he has family here

FFS we aren’t the Kabul Suns we are the Gold Coast Suns.
Our draft picks are our compensation and equalisation chance to make up for being crap and for suffering.

You do not hear this thing said in other sports that have drafts.

I’m wondering whether AFL people are the softest people in the world.

Pick the best available-I’m sick of being shit.

Its that simple, that bottom line is the best sentence in the whole Suns 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread. Nicely said Bods

 

[Iva Bigun]

I am really struggling as an adult male that has lived in various isolated places around Australia to continually read in these AFL forums that we should get this guy or bring these guys in together blah blah blah not because he’s the best available but because he’s from SA, or because they are mates, or because they went to school together or because he has family here

FFS we aren’t the Kabul Suns we are the Gold Coast Suns.
Our draft picks are our compensation and equalisation chance to make up for being crap and for suffering.

You do not hear this thing said in other sports that have drafts.

I’m wondering whether AFL people are the softest people in the world.

Pick the best available-I’m sick of being shit.

Agree, take the best available, Rozee at 3 is a big stretch IMO and is only being considered that high because of his freindship with Luko.

If we are that keen on Rozee then trade 3 and 21 to Port for 5 and 10, they can get Rankine ( who we should be taking) and then we use 5 of Rozee which is closer to his value

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

I am really struggling as an adult male that has lived in various isolated places around Australia to continually read in these AFL forums that we should get this guy or bring these guys in together blah blah blah not because he’s the best available but because he’s from SA, or because they are mates, or because they went to school together or because he has family here

FFS we aren’t the Kabul Suns we are the Gold Coast Suns.
Our draft picks are our compensation and equalisation chance to make up for being crap and for suffering.

You do not hear this thing said in other sports that have drafts.

I’m wondering whether AFL people are the softest people in the world.

Pick the best available-I’m sick of being shit.

We're all struggling with it but it's something you have to get used to unfortunately.
Every interstate list manager has said they have changed their approach recently due to the introduction of free agency and now any contracted player that wants to go home.
The kids that have been mentioned aren't flaky types that no one has heard of and we pick at 20.
One is an All Australian Under 18 rebounding defender who kicks the ball well. He wants to come here (tick)
One is an inside midfielder who captained the Vic metro and will be a very good player. He has family to support him here (tick)

Pick the best talent that your club needs. The Kings will be there at pick 6 and technically may be the best player but not what we need.
I am more sick of picking the best talent that runs home on a whim.
The Scrimshaw & Garlett debacles prove this.
It's just the way it is now.

 

[eppo67]

Cal Twomey mentioned recently that O’Halloran would be a good fit for us as he has family on the Gold Coast already. May have been covered already in here but interesting.

It has been. Spends most of his holidays in Miami with his cousins surfing all day. Is almost begging to be drafted to the GC. Calls it his second home.

 

[17er]

I am really struggling as an adult male that has lived in various isolated places around Australia to continually read in these AFL forums that we should get this guy or bring these guys in together blah blah blah not because he’s the best available but because he’s from SA, or because they are mates, or because they went to school together or because he has family here

FFS we aren’t the Kabul Suns we are the Gold Coast Suns.
Our draft picks are our compensation and equalisation chance to make up for being crap and for suffering.

You do not hear this thing said in other sports that have drafts.

I’m wondering whether AFL people are the softest people in the world.

Pick the best available-I’m sick of being shit.

It all started when the McGuires and Brayshaws of the world howled and blubbered and shit their pants over the creation of the Suns and Giants.

"Premiers in 5 years!"
"Next 10 Grand Finals between Suns and GWS."
"Suns stealing all the best talent"

These are very close to quotes. This is the bullshit the Vic media were peddling in 2010. Since then the Victorian clubs, led by the highly aggrieved Cats, began their plans to seduce drafted players back. For Caddy, O'Meara and Prestia they didn't even have the grace to wait until they became free agents, while Lynch, I believe, was told from early days that he'd be going home to the club of his choice. May is different, but in the end they got him too.

One thing that isn't discussed here much is how badly GWS have also suffered from raiding. They may have received more concessions and money and high picks, but all that is being ripped away from them as their salary cap is now the same as everyone's - thanks Eddie - and the 2nd wave of star players come into contract years. I don't feel sorry for them, but I think it should be known that the AFL isn't going to help the Suns by giving us the same extra help it gave the Giants, they are going to peg them back down to size. It won't mean parity because the Giants will just keep recycling the draft picks they get in return for trades and for the moment they still have a deeper pool of better quality academy players, but the 16 other clubs won't allow the Suns any more favours.

It is too late for our foundation players, but the AFL needs to introduce anti-tampering during the season and for in-contract players. We saw the disruption of Lynch and even Brisbane late plunge for Lyons when they could get him for nothing. With anti-tampering in place, player managers wouldn't even be able to talk to contracted players. The AFL could make October the Free Agency season and let all the post-season palaver happen then, with November following as draft month.

 

[17er]

It has been. Spends most of his holidays in Miami with his cousins surfing all day. Is almost begging to be drafted to the GC. Calls it his second home.

Was that O'Halloran or McLennan or both?

 

[OB11]

Agree, take the best available, Rozee at 3 is a big stretch IMO and is only being considered that high because of his freindship with Luko.

If we are that keen on Rozee then trade 3 and 21 to Port for 5 and 10, they can get Rankine ( who we should be taking) and then we use 5 of Rozee which is closer to his value

Do this if you can.

To get McClellan and O'Halloran the perfect trade partner would be WCE but as it stands the picks don't match up (6 is too good to be involved and 24 and 29 don't get the job done)

I think if you have to reach a little to 'couple' players for retention purposes right now that is just a reality - the aim is to have a successful team not have the most talented individuals with questionable character and commitment to the Suns.

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[Iva Bigun]

We're all struggling with it but it's something you have to get used to unfortunately.
Every interstate list manager has said they have changed their approach recently due to the introduction of free agency and now any contracted player that wants to go home.
The kids that have been mentioned aren't flaky types that no one has heard of and we pick at 20.
One is an All Australian Under 18 rebounding defender who kicks the ball well. He wants to come here (tick)
One is an inside midfielder who captained the Vic metro and will be a very good player. He has family to support him here (tick)

Pick the best talent that your club needs. The Kings will be there at pick 6 and technically may be the best player but not what we need.
I am more sick of picking the best talent that runs home on a whim.
The Scrimshaw & Garlett debacles prove this.
It's just the way it is now.

Scrimshaw Ainsworth and Brodie were drafted as “mates” in the belief they would all stay. Scrimsook is gone and there was a lot of talk about Brodie as well. Take the best available

 

[OB11]

Scrimshaw Ainsworth and Brodie were drafted as “mates” in the belief they would all stay. Scrimsook is gone and there was a lot of talk about Brodie as well. Take the best available

I don't believe Scrimshaw was picked as he was 'mates' with the others - it was a shit Clayton pick pure and simple. In retrospect any recruiter with any brains would have taken Jarrod Berry over that cry baby.

In my mind you take the best player you can foreseeablely hang onto given were the club is at, and you trade the picks to match if you want to maximise value.

If you pick the best available and they go home in 2 years then you have just hit the reset button on a 3rd rebuild in 10 years.

If the club can get to a point where the club can win 10 games a year and show an upward trajectory you are then in a position to then pick best available and hang onto them, and keep building to go further up the ladder.

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[Iva Bigun]

It’s hard to Know what to do, until last year I thought Uncle Tom would be a one club player
If we take Rankine he might go but if we don’t have A graders we won’t attract good free agents

 

[OB11]

It’s hard to Know what to do, until last year I thought Uncle Tom would be a one club player
If we take Rankine he might go but if we don’t have A graders we won’t attract good free agents

Recruiters are in a tough spot - if they draft a player and they leave then they should have known. If they don't draft a player and he becomes a star then they should have drafted best available even knowing the player was always going home.

I don't envy their decision.

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[17er]

Just spitballing here, but is everybody aware of the new pre-season and mid-season drafting rules? There is now a window during pre-season for clubs to sign free agents as well as a mid-season draft. Say a listed player has a season ending injury in February, the club can stash that player on injured reserve and pick up a free agent to put on the senior list. Same goes for if a player is injured during the first 11 rounds where they can be swapped out for a free agent.

My thought is that the Suns may not be planning to fill every single list spot in the next few weeks. What if the List Management team go to the Draft with enough spots to potentially draft 7 players, but only drafts 6 because one of their targets slipped through to the Rookie Draft? Our picks at the moment don't support this, but it would only take a small trade to open up the possibility. It isn't any secret that I am a Caleb Graham fan and this strategy takes the risk out of an opposition team bidding on him late in the Draft and us being unable to match it. This way we can either match a bid or let him slide to the Rookie Draft and pick him up with a Category B spot.

You would think that by February or March the club would know if it needed an extra defender or midfielder or whatever instead of desperately scrambling for the slim pickings that are on the table now. You commonly hear about players who train with clubs in November in the hopes of being picked up as a rookie, so why not invite some guys to train for a week in February and pick the best one for the last senior spot? You'd even be able to look at the unlucky guys in the mid-season draft.

 

[gcsunsfc]

It’s hard to Know what to do, until last year I thought Uncle Tom would be a one club player
If we take Rankine he might go but if we don’t have A graders we won’t attract good free agents

your new avatar is scary

 

[TheSunGod]

Was that O'Halloran or McLennan or both?

Pretty sure that was McLennan, but also heard O'Halloran has family up here too. Unless they both have family at Miami?

I am really struggling as an adult male that has lived in various isolated places around Australia to continually read in these AFL forums that we should get this guy or bring these guys in together blah blah blah not because he’s the best available but because he’s from SA, or because they are mates, or because they went to school together or because he has family here

FFS we aren’t the Kabul Suns we are the Gold Coast Suns.
Our draft picks are our compensation and equalisation chance to make up for being crap and for suffering.

You do not hear this thing said in other sports that have drafts.

I’m wondering whether AFL people are the softest people in the world.

Pick the best available-I’m sick of being shit.

Agree on picking the best available in principle. However, that said, the best available this year happen to come from SA, are schoolmates and/or best mates mates, and those around our later picks also happen to have family up here.

I don't think it's a stretch at all to have Rozee at 3. He was the best player in Australia at U16s, and has starred for North Adelaide in the SANFL finals. There's a few draft watchers who think he could end up being the best player in this draft. That he and Lukosius are best mates is just an added bonus for us. I think our pick at 3 will come down to how Rankine interviewed with us and how they think he'll fit in? I've heard positive reports about our interviews with other prospective draftees but little word on Isaac as yet. Rozee is apparently a real pro and although he doesn't have the freakishness of Rankine, he has all the skills, a great football IQ, is faster, taller and more versatile.

I also have doubts about drafting too many young talls very early on. It's well known they normally take longer to come on, and the success rates are still risky. Hence even though Max and Ben King are rated top 7 material, With us most likely taking Lukosius at 2, I'd rather go a Rozee, Caldwell (another who really impressed our recruiters) and/or Smith (the ultimate pro) before taking a punt on one of the twins. So in this case we aren't necessarily taking the best available, but the best available for us. On top of this, Dew seems to be ruthlessly building a team that will be able to play the way he wants. Part Hawks (must be able to kick) and part Swans (versatile, defensively orientated, tough, two way runners). Don't be surprised if our draft picks reflect this.

 

[Iva Bigun]

your new avatar is scary

Agree I added eyes to the previous avatar and it transformed from pleasant to creepy

 

[17er]

Pretty sure that was McLennan, but also heard O'Halloran has family up here too. Unless they both have family at Miami?

I hope somebody can clear this up, but out of interest why not have a look at how we get the picks to land both of them? I think it is fairly safe to say that O'Halloran will be available at #24, so it leaves #6 and #29 as bargain pieces.

What about #6 and #29 to Adelaide for #13, #16 and #73? The points are slightly in Adelaide's favour so an exchange of future picks would suffice to even that up. Or we get cute and chuck in our #24 for their #21 to put the points in our favour.

Or the more enticing deal with Port, for #10, #15 and #85? Again, the points don't match, but how badly do Port want pick #6?

West Coast have picks that add up, however, I think they'll keep them. For the hell of it, they could bundle #20 and #22 for #6, but it still leaves us short for McLennan to be taken by Port.

My feeling is that Port and Adelaide both entered an arms race to try to get Lukosius, but the Crows pulled out when Port got to pick #5. Knowing that they wouldn't be able to get Lukosius, Port have settled for whatever SA kid falls to them at #5 and I believe Adelaide have long known that pick #8 will likely be picking 10th or 11th which is Hately's territory. In a Draft where there is so much talent from SA, the 2 Adelaide clubs will be trying to shore up the rest if the Suns take the 2 best. Maybe Port are into Hately enough to give up on McLennan and Valente in order to leapfrog the Crows? Maybe Adelaide offer #8 to us to guarantee we don't get Hately too and we use their #16 on McLennan in the hope that Port doesn't take him at #15?