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List Mgmt. 2018 Draft/Trade/FA Thread

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-06/saints-want-hefty-price-for-prized-pick-no4

So in summary Saints won't trade 4 unless they can stay in the top 6.

What they are saying is they will only being doing a trade with Port or the Suns.

In a perfect world we do 2 stages of pick trades:

Saints 4 & 46 for Suns 6 & 24 - if the we hold these picks at 2, 3 and 4 we signal that we are going Luko, Rankine, Rozee
Port's 5 and 15 for 3 & 46 - Port become motivated to trade up to 3 with Rankine no chance to fall


Suns 2, 4, 5, 15, 29 & 46

Essentially we've just moved 24 up to 15, and picked up another pick at 46 if we have another senior list spot available at the draft.

2, 4, 5 = Luko, Rozee, Smith

15 - Stocker / Duursma / Valente / Jones / O'Hallaoran /McLennan
29 - O'Halloran / McHenry / Pickett
 
Live in hope said:
All the best for Murdoch with you.

Assets -
- Elite speed
- strong mature body and really hard tackler - will hurt some
- good left foot, can kick 50m
- on good days can cadge multiple goals

Problems
- lacks confidence and is panicky
- very little football nous.

If you can address the first issue you have a good one.
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Have been told of this at someone at Geelong - if Dew is prepared to pump his tires up and he earns an extended run out of the gate 'hopefully' this is something that can be rectified.
 
OB11 said:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-06/saints-want-hefty-price-for-prized-pick-no4

So in summary Saints won't trade 4 unless they can stay in the top 6.

What they are saying is they will only being doing a trade with Port or the Suns.

In a perfect world we do 2 stages of pick trades:

Saints 4 & 46 for Suns 6 & 24 - if the we hold these picks at 2, 3 and 4 we signal that we are going Luko, Rankine, Rozee
Port's 5 and 15 for 3 & 46 - Port become motivated to trade up to 3 with Rankine no chance to fall


Suns 2, 4, 5, 15, 29 & 46

Essentially we've just moved 24 up to 15, and picked up another pick at 46 if we have another senior list spot available at the draft.

2, 4, 5 = Luko, Rozee, Smith

15 - Stocker / Duursma / Valente / Jones / O'Hallaoran /McLennan
29 - O'Halloran / McHenry / Pickett
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Think it's great news for us. Offer 6, 29 and/or a future 2nd + the guarantee we won't touch a King for 6.
2 Luko
3 Rankine
4 Rozee

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SandyToes said:
I don't think it matters whether Murdoch is better or worse than guys we've delisted
The most important thing is that he will be Dew's player
That's the play here
There's still a couple with question marks over their heads(Brodie/Martin) for next year but really you have to think this core is good for another 5 years
If Dew fails he knows it won't be because he wasn't given carte blanche to gut the playing list
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Dew has shown he means business by gutting the list and moving on some of the biggest names of the club's short history. His win/loss in his first season is under 20% and even if he improves that over the next 2 seasons, if he can't get a contract extension his head coaching career will have been over by age 40. Look at Voss only now getting back to senior assistant coach, or Primus stepping back to NEAFL coaching, while you wonder if Hird will ever coach again. Dew could have had the Demons job on a silver platter, yet he's come up here to eat shit sandwiches and have his first team described as worse than Fitzroy in 1996.

Eade came in and gave the list a sweep after his first year, then restructured for the big Draft in 2016, but was gone by the time he could really influence the rebuild. Mark Evans has been rather impressive in punting Rocket, Scott Clayton and Marcus Ashcroft to give their replacements some clean air to evaluate the situation. We might be dirty now about them failing to hold onto Lynch and May, or getting value for Kolodjashnij, Hall or Lyons, but they didn't blink and they didn't hesitate. What we can only guess at, but I think we've got a good read on, is what they've been doing behind the scenes with the AFL to get the football team's performance up to standard. The result is more money to put into player development, the 3 State League Players and 2 extra list spots and a pretty god damn good draw next season.
 

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Probably the main advantage in recruiting Murdoch is that we still lack experience and mature bodies on our list. He might be a C grade talent but he does help with these two issues. He will add slightly to our depth.
I’d rather take a punt on a Marlion Pickett (who we might pick up anyway) but will give our recruiting team the benefit of the doubt until we see how he goes.
 
I think this year GC Top 10 draft pick will play quite early next year compare to 2016 draftees , craig Cameron mention immediate impact , no more contract extension with premium playing NEAFL like Brodie and Scrimshaw . If they want premium 400k a season they need to play AFL .
 
barberbarbarian said:
Murdoch is a known quantity. He’s a massive downhill skier and he butchers the ball a lot. We aren’t going to improve with him in the team, and if he’s going to play NEAFL then I’d rather have a draftee who at least has development potential to be better.
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Your impression of Murdoch isn't borne out in the stats. He'd be 4th at the Suns in disposal efficiency after being 14th at Geelong with 76.1%. To make matters worse, we've just traded or delisted 6 of our top 10 disposal efficiency ranked players, so Murdoch will be 2nd most efficient behind Rory and it isn't even close.
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17er said:
Dew has shown he means business by gutting the list and moving on some of the biggest names of the club's short history. His win/loss in his first season is under 20% and even if he improves that over the next 2 seasons, if he can't get a contract extension his head coaching career will have been over by age 40. Look at Voss only now getting back to senior assistant coach, or Primus stepping back to NEAFL coaching, while you wonder if Hird will ever coach again. Dew could have had the Demons job on a silver platter, yet he's come up here to eat shit sandwiches and have his first team described as worse than Fitzroy in 1996.

Eade came in and gave the list a sweep after his first year, then restructured for the big Draft in 2016, but was gone by the time he could really influence the rebuild. Mark Evans has been rather impressive in punting Rocket, Scott Clayton and Marcus Ashcroft to give their replacements some clean air to evaluate the situation. We might be dirty now about them failing to hold onto Lynch and May, or getting value for Kolodjashnij, Hall or Lyons, but they didn't blink and they didn't hesitate. What we can only guess at, but I think we've got a good read on, is what they've been doing behind the scenes with the AFL to get the football team's performance up to standard. The result is more money to put into player development, the 3 State League Players and 2 extra list spots and a pretty god damn good draw next season.
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Great summary
When people moan about the player's who've gone and whether we could have got another pick 60 for X I do't think they realise how fast these things have to move
Every one of those players carries a particular form of plague that can infect an entire playing group
 
17er said:
Your impression of Murdoch isn't borne out in the stats. He'd be 4th at the Suns in disposal efficiency after being 14th at Geelong with 76.1%. To make matters worse, we've just traded or delisted 6 of our top 10 disposal efficiency ranked players, so Murdoch will be 2nd most efficient behind Rory and it isn't even close.
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Cheney would look flash at 88%
 
17er said:
Your impression of Murdoch isn't borne out in the stats. He'd be 4th at the Suns in disposal efficiency after being 14th at Geelong with 76.1%. To make matters worse, we've just traded or delisted 6 of our top 10 disposal efficiency ranked players, so Murdoch will be 2nd most efficient behind Rory and it isn't even close.
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What’s their kick to handball ratio?
 
While on the topic of disposal efficiency, there were 33 Suns players with better disposal efficiency than Lyons. Of the 5 active players he beat, 2 were mids, 2 were forwards and 1 was the main ruckman. With Rosa and Lyons gone, the midfield has a chance to improve standards, but Brodie is now in the gun and it's an area all players must improve in.
 
17er said:
Your impression of Murdoch isn't borne out in the stats. He'd be 4th at the Suns in disposal efficiency after being 14th at Geelong with 76.1%. To make matters worse, we've just traded or delisted 6 of our top 10 disposal efficiency ranked players, so Murdoch will be 2nd most efficient behind Rory and it isn't even close.
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Funny that Rory is the most efficient, it is well established his disposal is his weak point, but the guy knows his limitations and plays accordingly.
 

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kreglze said:
Funny that Rory is the most efficient, it is well established his disposal is his weak point, but the guy knows his limitations and plays accordingly.
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He averaged fewer than 10 touches a match. Mind you, Darcy Cameron has perfect disposal efficiency, best in the league in fact and never played in a losing side.
 
17er said:
Your impression of Murdoch isn't borne out in the stats. He'd be 4th at the Suns in disposal efficiency after being 14th at Geelong with 76.1%. To make matters worse, we've just traded or delisted 6 of our top 10 disposal efficiency ranked players, so Murdoch will be 2nd most efficient behind Rory and it isn't even close.
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Yes but he only averages 14 disposals a game. Who cares how good you are at disposing the ball if you can’t find any of it.
 
So I’ve only really seen a little bit of Murdoch (and what I have seen isn’t super reassuring) but from what is being said about him I am getting an image of a Kk but can tackle, and plays a little further up the ground, no? Although his confidence issues aren’t head injury related.
 
17er said:
Your impression of Murdoch isn't borne out in the stats. He'd be 4th at the Suns in disposal efficiency after being 14th at Geelong with 76.1%. To make matters worse, we've just traded or delisted 6 of our top 10 disposal efficiency ranked players, so Murdoch will be 2nd most efficient behind Rory and it isn't even close.
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Also only 2.4 turnovers per game contradictory to reports. Would be 7th for least turnovers with those numbers.
 
barberbarbarian said:
Yes but he only averages 14 disposals a game. Who cares how good you are at disposing the ball if you can’t find any of it.
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He's averaged 16 touches a game in the past 2 seasons, which is 12 meaningful disposals, compared to a player getting 20 touches at 60% efficiency and still having 12 meaningful disposals. He also made 4 tackles, 4 marks, 3 I50s, 1.5 R50s and had 17 goal assists over the past 2 years, which is comparable to Jack Martin's output - they even polled in the Brownlow.

Murdoch's a decent player. You might not see it, but it's there if you want to.
 

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Murdoch is also very fast. He'd be the fastest player at 8 clubs, using speed measured with the ball during a game, and only Lachie Weller is faster at the Suns. Considering the 6-6-6 rule, which mean at centre bounces 6 players from each team must not leave their 50m zones until play begins, while only the traditional ruck, ruck rover and 2 rovers of each team are allowed inside the centre square.

Murdoch is also left footed, so you'd imagine Dew plans to stick his two fastest players on the wing where they can wring most advantage out of the new rules. With the onus on pace and the Suns previous lack of it, the more we can get the better our chances are because if we don't then anyone can see it will be a disaster. The Suns midfield has to be brutal next season, winning possession from the tap and spreading fast to the wings, or choking off the opponent's possession with defensive support. We both know the game isn't played with traditional positions any more, but the 6-6-6 rule is going to take things back to them 20 to 30 times a game at Centre bounces.
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17er said:
He's averaged 16 touches a game in the past 2 seasons, which is 12 meaningful disposals, compared to a player getting 20 touches at 60% efficiency and still having 12 meaningful disposals. He also made 4 tackles, 4 marks, 3 I50s, 1.5 R50s and had 17 goal assists over the past 2 years, which is comparable to Jack Martin's output - they even polled in the Brownlow.

Murdoch's a decent player. You might not see it, but it's there if you want to.
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He averaged 5 contested possessions amongst 14 disposals with an efficiency of 76%. He’ll also be 27 next year. There’s a reason he was DE-LISTED.
He wasn’t told to explore his options with a guarantee of staying if there were no takers like Kolodjashnij, and he wasn’t offered good money to swap clubs, he was delisted and the only clubs interested in him were 17th and 16th on the ladder last year. If he was a ‘decent’ player he’d still be on their list.

Comparing him to jack Martin is just irrelevant. Jack plays as a half forward or half back and still averages more touches and contested possessions than Murdoch who runs through the midfield often
 
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