List Mgmt. 2018 Draft Watch - Depth Chart In OP

[Premiers17]

The question with Chol is awareness and football brain that's all love to see him make it.I still think we need a backup ruck not sure if these kids will be ready.We were two talls short from rd 1 this year Griffiths and Hammer.

Chol will come good every ruckman takes time to mature next year is his year along with Balta

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[Azzleberry]

I said cellis wasn't but miles certainly was depth. He is a mature body who can win the contested ball, which is where we now have no depth at all

Yet had serious flaws and was never played by Hardwick. The fact that C Ellis, Lloyd, Baker and Higgins all got games ahead of him says a lot.

Just because a midfielder gefs an injury doesn’t mean you have to replace them with a midfielder. You can bring in another forward and move a combination of Edwards, Caddy, Higgins and Rioli through the midfield for more minutes to reduce the loss.

I think that you still believe players play the whole game in one position and we have to replace a midfielder with a midfielder or a forward with another forward... it’s not the case.

Our depth is fine

 

[Phar Ace]

Hope we are one of the four AFL Clubs looking at Marlion Pickett - could be a nice addition and replacement for Lloyd perhaps - on less coin. (Apols if has been put up previously)

https://thewest.com.au/sport/south-...th-fremantle-teammate-tim-kelly-ng-b88947699z

 

[Bojangles17]

Yet had serious flaws and was never played by Hardwick. The fact that C Ellis, Lloyd, Baker and Higgins all got games ahead of him says a lot.

Just because a midfielder gefs an injury doesn’t mean you have to replace them with a midfielder. You can bring in another forward and move a combination of Edwards, Caddy, Higgins and Rioli through the midfield for more minutes to reduce the loss.

I think that you still believe players play the whole game in one position and we have to replace a midfielder with a midfielder or a forward with another forward... it’s not the case.

Our depth is fine

That’s quite right , Miles was never used as a depth player , and as you rightly said even baker debuted ahead of him being selected , I’m confident at the very last we can replace those guys , here’s hoping exceed their output which with all due respect wasn’t great at the level

 

[Calcium Man]

Hope we are one of the four AFL Clubs looking at Marlion Pickett - could be a nice addition and replacement for Lloyd perhaps - on less coin. (Apols if has been put up previously)

https://thewest.com.au/sport/south-...th-fremantle-teammate-tim-kelly-ng-b88947699z

tigs2010 was a rap for this guy a few years ago IIRC. But had some serious off field issues

 

[db26]

Good size. How does he compare to Soldo?

Alot better mobile around the ground and take a mark.

 

[theyellowsash]

That’s quite right , Miles was never used as a depth player , and as you rightly said even baker debuted ahead of him being selected , I’m confident at the very last we can replace those guys , here’s hoping exceed their output which with all due respect wasn’t great at the level

baker replaced butler though. who replaces cotch/martin/prestia as a clearance winner? certainly not baker, menadue, markov, naish

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Alot better mobile around the ground and take a mark.

Yes never seen Soldo take a contested mark..

 

[Muddiemoose]

baker replaced butler though. who replaces cotch/martin/prestia as a clearance winner? certainly not baker, menadue, markov, naish

Graham would be the obvious choice at this stage, vlossy could potentially if we were really struggling injury wise

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I said cellis wasn't but miles certainly was depth. He is a mature body who can win the contested ball, which is where we now have no depth at all

You call a player who played only one game and was overlooked on nurmouros occasions as losing depth.
The FD seen it differently.

 

[Dr Tigris]

It opened my eyes to this a few years ago when I felt we should grab a state-league ruck, checked some stats and then realised Hampson was actually the best ruck in the VFL.
Soldo currently the new Hampson.

That's the sting isn't it. We want a top line ruck. But Nank is as good as anyone but Gawn and Grundy. Outside the AFL Soldo is as well performed as pretty much anyone. Compared to all the other positions I reckon genuine quality rucks are the most rare. Looks easy, but obviously isn't.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

tigs2010 was a rap for this guy a few years ago IIRC. But had some serious off field issues

tigs2010 is too draftees as prodigy is too Lennon/Cellis.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Maybe not.
Ryan Abbott didn't look totally out of place in the four games he played for Geelong.
If Nank is out for any length of time, we will need to probably rotate Soldo and someone else. If we have to rely solely on Soldo then we are royally ******.
The state league ruckman are still there I guess because clubs don't need many ruckmen on their list. It's not like midfielders where clubs have probably 25 blokes who play on the ball on the list.
Clubs are lucky if they have three rucks on their list these days, hence why ruckmen are playing their trade in the state leagues.
I still think we need another one.

Can't disagree, but we already have 3 of them. Each extra ruck is a spot we can't use - unless they play AFL. IF CCJ is as good as they reckon then I'd look at using him if the opportunity arises. But we can certainly use Soldo to get us out of trouble. If we get a 23 year old ruck that's matured in the state leagues then what happens in 2 years when CCJ is more mature and we want to play him a lot? Trade the other ruck I guess. A genuine mobile 200cm KP that can also ruck is a useful player to have on your squad. But that extra tall guy that can only contest stoppages is probably worse than just having another 180cm C/B grade midfielder.

If Nank stays fit then all good. If he gets injured we're in strife, and likely there is no easy way out of that.

 

[Dr Tigris]

I’m in the minority but I’d get rid of Soldo. Imo has very little chance of making the grade.

He dominates hit outs at VFL level but that’s it. Offers nothing around the ground, up forward, or dropping back across hb. I watched 6 or 7 VFL games live this year and could count the contested marks he took on one hand.

I’d much rather look at a state league ruckman that gives more around the ground. Soldos tap dominance at VFL level won’t translate to AFL level anyway there’s plenty ruckman his size with better leaps and ruck craft.

Too late on Soldo now probably. And we'd have to know that there is someone that can beat him for AFL performance.

My take on watching him in the firsts was that firstly, his tank needs a lot of work, secondly he's nothing on Nank around the ground, but does a basic role, and thirdly, his physicality is good so he can play that bulldozer role.

I'd guess Soldo is a solid depth reserve ruck. But that's about it. I suspect that he'd grow into playing AFL and be about as good on the lower tier of AFL rucks. But we want at least a good AFL ruck, and possible a top tier one. Nank's not top tier, but he's damn good. All those guys are already signed up, and we've got a future one in CCJ.

Think about this over a 2-3 year timeline. If we get a mature state leaguer then they might do a better fill in role. But they could stifle the development of CCJ. We're caught between a rock and hard place in this situation right now. Nank and then a huge step down.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Graham would be the obvious choice at this stage, vlossy could potentially if we were really struggling injury wise

We will also have Caddy and Dusty spending more time in the midfield. Lynch moves the part time forwards more into the middle.

And of course Higgins will be more mature and I reckon is better in the midfield.

 

[Grrr]

baker replaced butler though. who replaces cotch/martin/prestia as a clearance winner? certainly not baker, menadue, markov, naish

I think Grigg is an under rated clearance mid. Do not like him on the wing, but he gets his hands on the ball in the middle as much as anyone. Not sure age is going to weary him as he is a real gut runner. 190cm 85kg mid who uses it well by hand and runs both ways. Tad slow, but never stops. Was under utilised last year I thought.

 

[tugga]

Can't disagree, but we already have 3 of them. Each extra ruck is a spot we can't use - unless they play AFL. IF CCJ is as good as they reckon then I'd look at using him if the opportunity arises. But we can certainly use Soldo to get us out of trouble. If we get a 23 year old ruck that's matured in the state leagues then what happens in 2 years when CCJ is more mature and we want to play him a lot? Trade the other ruck I guess. A genuine mobile 200cm KP that can also ruck is a useful player to have on your squad. But that extra tall guy that can only contest stoppages is probably worse than just having another 180cm C/B grade midfielder.

If Nank stays fit then all good. If he gets injured we're in strife, and likely there is no easy way out of that.

Agree that there is no easy way out of if Nank gets hurt.
I'd still be keen on getting a mature big bodied ruck for two years.
CCJ is nowhere near ready. Soldo doesn't get enough of the ball.
Not saying a mature aged recruit would be the answer, but if Nank goes down, it would be nice to have another option other than Soldo while CCJ develops.

 

[theyellowsash]

I think Grigg is an under rated clearance mid. Do not like him on the wing, but he gets his hands on the ball in the middle as much as anyone. Not sure age is going to weary him as he is a real gut runner. 190cm 85kg mid who uses it well by hand and runs both ways. Tad slow, but never stops. Was under utilised last year I thought.

dont disagree but in that case we need to recruit a ready made ruckman to free him up, he cant do both and i dont think we can throw our young guys to the wolves yet

 

[guruisatiger]

Yes never seen Soldo take a contested mark..

I have seen him take quite a few

 

[Sir_Loin]

Graham would be the obvious choice at this stage, vlossy could potentially if we were really struggling injury wise

Tigger isn’t a midfielders a-hole IMO. There’s no way he plays any time in the guts. He’s a defender.

I agree its time for graham to stand up and start winning more of the pill. He’s had his time to learn in the team, as a third year player next year i want to see him start accumulating more possessions.

 

[sportshow]

Soldo is not Mark Lee .... but i'm not sure he is as bad as some suggest on here.

I agree he might have stagnated a little this year, but he's far from the worst.

 

[richoatthedisco]

100%

If Nank sank with an injury, I'd be amazed if we made top 8 (how long Nank was out is the main issue). Clubs are already all over exploiting us when Grigg was used. They would quickly exploit Soldo as well I fear.

We outscored our opposition with Grigg in the ruck this year. Not as much as with Nank, but we were still ahead.

Having said that, I agree his time as ruck should be over.

What we do need is a ruckman or two to put on the slow conveyor belt of big man development. But it looks like the Tigers let other clubs do that work and just draft the best rucks that are surplus to needs.

Chol and CJ are already on the conveyor belt.

tigs2010 was a rap for this guy a few years ago IIRC. But had some serious off field issues

Everyone knows tigs2010 has massive off-field issues, but what does that have to do with Marlon Pickett?

Not saying a mature aged recruit would be the answer, but if Nank goes down, it would be nice to have another option other than Soldo while CCJ develops.

Chol. Expect him and/or CJ to get games next year.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I have seen him take quite a few

Crash the pack take a contested grab!?!

 

[Grrr]

dont disagree but in that case we need to recruit a ready made ruckman to free him up, he cant do both and i dont think we can throw our young guys to the wolves yet

Do not want to see Grigg ruck either. The chances of us recruiting a mobile mature ruckman is pretty slim. Not many in VFL. So need to find an ex AFL or take a punt in the SANFL etc. Then getting games in front of our juniors like CCJ and Chol would be unlikely.

We really do not like playing an extra tall as it slows us down. Nank has a big appetite, but needs help. Will they ask Lynch to do it 5 minutes a quarter. Maybe Grigg once or twice a game. Maybe CCJ or Chol will be blooded and used up forward occasionally. I can't see them going past that.

If Nank gets injured, then those extra's have to step up, also Miller and Balta are strong strapping lads. Rather all of the above than Soldo or a similiar type.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Agree that there is no easy way out of if Nank gets hurt.
I'd still be keen on getting a mature big bodied ruck for two years.
CCJ is nowhere near ready. Soldo doesn't get enough of the ball.
Not saying a mature aged recruit would be the answer, but if Nank goes down, it would be nice to have another option other than Soldo while CCJ develops.

Let's agree to agree.

I forgot about Chol. No idea how he goes rucking though.

We've got 4 rucks on the books. What we need is for one to step up a notch next year to be able to support Nank. But right now I have a definite problem with selecting another ruck - we'll have too many. However, we don't have to mature decent ruck to fill in. I'd guess that most teams are in this boat though. We have options, which is great. We'll see what they do in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if its mid heavy though.