List Mgmt. 2018 Draft Watch - Depth Chart In OP

[Dr Tigris]

Did you see how West Coast played Gawn and Grundy?

They basically tagged Gundy with the second ruck. Never allowed him to do his thing. Never gave him him a rest with the two prong attack. Certainly having two rucks in those instances does work - of course though Lycett and vardy are more than handy around the ground which helps.

When was this game? The season ended for me when the Tigers lost.

You make a good point. If you know you are going to be toweled up use someone else to put enormous pressure on Grundy/Gawn. Who we'd use is interesting. What you want is someone big enough to cause problems, mobile enough to keep up and disciplined enough to do the job.

It'll be interesting to see how we deal with things in 2019. We could of course play Garthwaite and use Astbury as that second ruck/run with guy. Balta would be fine, but he's a kid. Don't know whether Soldo or Chol could do that role. We might just use Grigg or Rioli. But I can see the monsters doing well out of the rule changes - if they are talented enough. Only a coupe of clubs really have the dominant ruck set up, and they look like winning. However, clubs are smart and will work out how to combat all this.

 

[Accepted 04]

I have a feeling that Stack and Bytel are the types of players that slip in drafts. Remind me a little of Graham and Worpel as teams will be concerned them potentially having low ceilings or bad attitudes


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[Wrenny]

Ely is the only draftee ive seen play live only once but he looks afl ready to me ,big solid dude wide shoulders good pace no squibbing contests id be happy if hes our no 1 pick

I'm still a bit suspect on his kicking ability. Seems to take the tackler on and then with his strength release a handball under extreme pressure

 

[richoatthedisco]

I'm still a bit suspect on his kicking ability. Seems to take the tackler on and then with his strength release a handball under extreme pressure

He's kicking's fine. In fact, more than fine. He roosts it a long way and had the lowest direct turnover percentage (by foot) in the TAC Cup.

 

[mopsy]

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We all know that Lynch is coming via free agency, Tiger71 micro on the line, and the team is sitting clear on top of the ladder with top 2 all but assured it's probably time that we started to focus on what would normally be the most discussed topic in this board by now and that is the National Draft.

In the glory years of 2009-2012 & 2016, this thread would have been started about 6 months ago and be closing in on a 100 pages by now with all sorts of ideas being thrown about regarding how we can move up into the draft order and stack up on draft picks.

However with the Lynch deal likely to be the only real move we do during trade period improving the list, there might be a couple of moves where players depart for picks in the 2nd round or later.

Having said that I thought I'd start out with the players I'd like us to look at with pick 19.

Riley Collier-Dawkins 193cm 88kg inside midfielder Oakleigh Chargers

Luke Valente 186cm 80kg midfielder Norwood(given recent history of taking SA U18 captains could we do a 3 peat here)

Xavier O'Halloran 187cm 83kg inside midfielder Western Jets

Luke Foley 187cm 75kg inside midfielder Subiaco

Second round players

Ely Smith 188cm 86kg inside midfielder Murray

Jack Bytel 188cm 82kg inside midfielder Calder

Jye Caldwell 184cm 82kg midfielder Bendigo

These are my choices based on the reading I've done. I don't claim to be any sort of expert but I do have a bit of interest in the next batch coming through. If we could land a couple of the above this year it would certainly strengthen our inside midfield depth. With trading likely to include a couple of fringe players moving for more opportunity or closer to home we may end up with a couple of other picks in the first 3 rounds.

But for now it would be great to get some opinions from others as to names they might have noticed over the U18 champs.

FWIW here is the current depth chart

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Good Chart and well done appreciate the effort and time put in.

dont agree where you have placed some of the players as far as roles goes. An example is Rioli as a mid, he is yet to play any sort of significant time there and may well never play significant time there.ATM he is predominately a fwd and until he actually plays in the midfield should be placed there.Nit picking i know and apologise in advance.

One other point rather than have the players #of games next to their names as we have a clear guide in the first column why not put their ages as of the first game of the new yr.

 

[Calcium Man]

Not buying in that you can't have two rucks and two big forwards.Eagles won the flag with it that set up aslong as the rucks a mobile and have aglity around the ground.I don't think it will make us to top heavy if our setup is correct and midfield work hard.

Yeah it works if they are decent players. Darling and Kennedy are stars and Lycett and Vardy are more then handy.

Our 2nd Ruck isn’t going to be more than handy unless Soldo takes a big step up, and a state league Ruck is likely to be worse given how well Soldo plays at VFL level.

Not a big wrap taking players much higher in draft then were they should be drafted we have been burned by this so many times Conca,Ellis and Lennon.Best available for me first pick will be plenty of sliders.

Only Conca was taken much higher than he was meant too.

Collingwood were considering Lennon at 10 and he was considered as part of the 2nd group of talent and the last of those to be drafted. Personally I didn’t want us to draft him as I felt he had to many deficiencies.

CEllis was maybe a tad early but Norf wanted him at 16 and Essendon were keen with 17 & 20.

 

[Tigerbob]

Yeah it works if they are decent players. Darling and Kennedy are stars and Lycett and Vardy are more then handy.

Our 2nd Ruck isn’t going to be more than handy unless Soldo takes a big step up, and a state league Ruck is likely to be worse given how well Soldo plays at VFL level.



Only Conca was taken much higher than he was meant too.

Collingwood were considering Lennon at 10 and he was considered as part of the 2nd group of talent and the last of those to be drafted. Personally I didn’t want us to draft him as I felt he had to many deficiencies.

CEllis was maybe a tad early but Norf wanted him at 16 and Essendon were keen with 17 & 20.

I remember blowing a gasket when we picked up CEllis. Was talking to tigs2010 at the time and just couldn’t believe it....

 

[Juke]

Any FJ specials like CEllis and Lennon that we may bite on this year?

 

[Shazza_]

isnt brayden rioli (dans bro) in next years draft ? should get to efc through academy

 

[Grrr]

Our biggest need is not another ruckman. Soldo can play IF Nankervis gets hurt. Soldo is also very much a project player and seems to be tracking in the right direction.
He is just 22 still very much a baby when it comes to ruckmen.Hes also only been in footy for what 3 yrs or 4 yrs where the hell is the patience.
He isnt going to dominate games at this stage but if hes needed im sure he will compete.

CC-J Very much a baby still only a 19yo, but he has plenty of size already 200cm and must be close to 100kg. He is good in the air a very good mark is not slow
He may be a bit raw to play first ruck but with another pre season behind i can not see any reason why we can not play him as the third tall who goes into the ruck when the opposition second ruck goes in there.
I can see no reason why we cannot do this with Chol as well. Also a bit of a project ruckman non footy background very skinny when drafted was always going to take 4 or 5 yrs so again wheres the patience. Lets get some games and experience into these blokes.
Of course theres also Nankervis i dont see the need to get another ruckman not this yr anyway.If Soldo and Chol dont come on, then at the end of next yr we could make that call.

The real needs in the list are there for all to see

Big bodied inside mid. A clearance winner. Also some real quality quick outside mids who can get enough ball and run the lines for us.

Imo we need a well rounded lock down sml/med defender with pace, motor, and very good footskills to provide an alternative to Grimes in locking down an oppo small and provide plenty of run and hurt factor with delivery. We dont actually have a sml/med defender who ticks all of those boxes.
B Ellis has many issues, Houli is no 1v1 defender and is now 30 and Short is defensively deficient and panicks under pressure like the other two.

Last but not least we need a quality medium sized fwd there is only Caddy on the list and he is very much needed in the midfield next yr and Townsend who is extremely limited as a player and probably lucky to still be on the list.

Personally with our first pick 17 id like us to target one of the 7 or 8 bigger bodied mids that should be there. Some wishful thinking would be Jackson Hately but i dont think he will get to us, maybe we could improve our draft position to allow us a crack at him. Valente, Stocker, Foley, O,Halloran,E Smith, Jye Caldwell and a few others could slip to us all inside mids with size.
What would have been great is another pick between 10 and 30.

Hately moves and plays like Mark Coughlan.

 

[Tiger Claw]

A lot of talk around chol on here. I'm all for taking project players with rookie selections but he can't remain on the rookie list next year as this was his 3rd year. Has he actually improved enough to warrant a senior spot? From what I read on here the majority seem to think not.

I wouldn't mind seeing chol again. Not sure that you'd want him more than a ruck. As others have said seems to get lost when it comes to nuances of football but does have a good kick and a very nice soft high reaching tap out in the ruck.

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[NZ_Tiger]

Ely is the only draftee ive seen play live only once but he looks afl ready to me ,big solid dude wide shoulders good pace no squibbing contests id be happy if hes our no 1 pick

**** it. I’m sold. Email the club Rambo, make it happen.


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[Calcium Man]

I remember blowing a gasket when we picked up CEllis. Was talking to tigs2010 at the time and just couldn’t believe it....

tigs2010 knew a long way out that year.

I didn't have an issue with it at the time, and neither did Tigs from the PMs i just read, in fact he convinced me on him. Can't get them all right!

But I guess the point i was making was CEllis wasn't a reach, Champion Data rated him at 11, most mid to late power rankings from that year had him from about 10-20. He had just come off a pretty bad foot injury too.

Pace was a bit of an issue and has only been exacerbated as the game has got faster. There have always been issues surrounding confidence and such but I think someone in here said his Dad said Corey didn't work hard enough, if you're slow you need to be working twice as hard.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

tigs2010 knew a long way out that year.

I didn't have an issue with it at the time, and neither did Tigs from the PMs i just read, in fact he convinced me on him. Can't get them all right!

But I guess the point i was making was CEllis wasn't a reach, Champion Data rated him at 11, most mid to late power rankings from that year had him from about 10-20. He had just come off a pretty bad foot injury too.

Pace was a bit of an issue and has only been exacerbated as the game has got faster. There have always been issues surrounding confidence and such but I think someone in here said his Dad said Corey didn't work hard enough, if you're slow you need to be working twice as hard.

This is the reason I gave up hope on him getting to the required level. Doesn't do any extras and was lifting similar weights during preseason that he was when he first arrived at the club.

 

[Calcium Man]

I remember blowing a gasket when we picked up CEllis. Was talking to tigs2010 at the time and just couldn’t believe it....

****en Liar

2014 Draft Discussion Part II

I am going through a few of the hopefuls now.

Billy Evans and Corey Ellis are two I really, really like from limited glimpses.

#32 - Corey Ellis

I'll differ a bit from that opinion.

He's really cool and composed under pressure. His ability to think his way through pressure situations is of high class. Elite in that way. His kicking whether under pressure or on his own, is elite. I only rated Duggan higher.

His weaknesses are the fact he isn't quick, he's had an injury most of the year so his production was down, but early in the year when he was fit he showed his high production.

He will take time cause he won't have a full pre season this year. I think by round 11 he should be carving up the VFL and put his name up for selection.

One thing with Ellis is he won't be a standout. He will do his work and you won't hardly notice it but he will add that inside class to our team. Also if he has the ball 60 to 70 meters out, the forwards should be licking their lips. He will hit them on the title every time.

All in all when I first heard about our interest in Ellis at pick 12 I was shocked and confused. I was fortunate to do a bit of research and watch old tapes of him and talk to people he played with and the same thing was coming out that this kid is very good.

I'm still in the Weller should have been taken camp but I'm not upset by the selection and think we have a 200 gamer on our hands.

Best case scenario Ellis is a Simon Black type.

Worst case scenario is his foot injury never fully recovers and he's out of the system in three years.

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

Im no draft expert just looking at highlights
Ely smith just looks excactly what we need
Big bodied ,smashes the contest i was sold
When it took 2 players to take him down lol

 

[Toadvine]

****en Liar

2014 Draft Discussion Part II



#32 - Corey Ellis

Phew just checked and my hands are clean. I'm on record saying I wanted Weller!

I think the club might prefer Ellis over Weller because Ellis is supposed to have great hands in close and has a stronger contested game.

I'm like you though and prefer Weller for this pick but I'll back the club.

 

[Tiger Claw]

tigs2010 knew a long way out that year.

I didn't have an issue with it at the time, and neither did Tigs from the PMs i just read, in fact he convinced me on him. Can't get them all right!

But I guess the point i was making was CEllis wasn't a reach, Champion Data rated him at 11, most mid to late power rankings from that year had him from about 10-20. He had just come off a pretty bad foot injury too.

Pace was a bit of an issue and has only been exacerbated as the game has got faster. There have always been issues surrounding confidence and such but I think someone in here said his Dad said Corey didn't work hard enough, if you're slow you need to be working twice as hard.

The very thing that stood out for me was his ability to suspend time. Little did I know this would be realised as being laconic in everything.

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[Infamy]

Phew just checked and my hands are clean. I'm on record saying I wanted Weller!

Hardly blowing a gasket
#busted

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Not buying in that you can't have two rucks and two big forwards.Eagles won the flag with it that set up aslong as the rucks a mobile and have aglity around the ground.I don't think it will make us to top heavy if our setup is correct and midfield work hard.

Agree in what your saying.But you have to have a pretty good 2nd ruck(Vardy/Nice Nat) for it too work.It won the Eagles the gf.

 

[theflea]

Why do you think Bolton is the best of our youngsters? Club gave him a 1 year deal. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of our long term faith.

I think the player only wanted 1 year.

 

[Drofder]

I remember blowing a gasket when we picked up CEllis. Was talking to tigs2010 at the time and just couldn’t believe it....

That you blew a gasket ? They are simple but when they blow, they can cause a lot of damage. You might have cracked your head. Maybe get it checked.

Ellis looked like he was gonna struggle right from the get go. Just so sllllooooow.





LETS GO RED SOX !

 

[Phar Ace]

20% of his marks were contested. Nank ran at about 25% contested marks for the year.

Not even sure what that tells us to be honest. I was having a bit of a lark with Laughing Jak.

Contested Marks by ruckman are the most stupid stat going I've since found out. You would think a big man might have this as their badge of honour. Well the best Ruck in the business was Gawn with an average contested mark of 2.2 per game (Season 2018). Next best is Ryder 1.6pg, then Sandi and Bellchambers with 1.4pg each. Less than half the leagues primary Ruckman averaged more than 1.0pg. Nank was in that Octet. Witts and McEvoy just 0.3pg!

Probably more telling would be contested marks attempted, ie getting to a contest at least.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

Ely is gonna go top 5 now. Oppo list managers read our board and won't wanna let us have him

 

[Sir_Loin]

I think the player only wanted 1 year.

Ok. It’s not like his trade value is going up in 12 months. I’d be surprised if he plays more than 6 senior games next year. And that’s pushing it.

My opinion is the jury’s out. Has talent but there’s clearly questions on his commitment.