Strategy 2018 Game Plan

[SouthSwans]

Ruck / key forward structure conundrum is the biggest thorn in the development of our gameplan.

There’s a multitude of options but we need to pick one and stick with it to give the rest of the forward setup a chance to develop continuity and apply organised pressure.

 

[sataris]

So it seems to me that no-one actually knows what the game plan is... and no-one is willing to speculate either.

What about roles? Do you think that each of our players goes out with a specific role to play, or only some of them?

Smith's role must be to take his opponent out of the game... definitely a winner imo
Reid's is swing man... and I wonder if he is actually sent down back or now makes the call himself?
Rampe is surely the general in defence now that Teddy is gone... another winner
Jones is maybe being developed into a Shaw and Newman into Malceski type roles...

Thoughts, opinions???

Longmire has stated that Reid goes down back at the end of each quarter, to practice the role if he ever has to do it for real in a match when required.

 

[Kirkswan]

Longmire has stated that Reid goes down back at the end of each quarter, to practice the role if he ever has to do it for real in a match when required.

Lol! Always amusing sataris

 

[Wolftone]

Ruck / key forward structure conundrum is the biggest thorn in the development of our gameplan.

There’s a multitude of options but we need to pick one and stick with it to give the rest of the forward setup a chance to develop continuity and apply organised pressure.

I think this was idea in drafting Joel Amarty as a Rookie. He gives us a very mobile option. In a way so does Cameron as he is very good at ground level and can also go forward and kick goals. I don't believe in only having one game plan. There is no rule that says you can't be flexible. The Hawks were that's why they won three in a row. If something was not working they changed it. I'm sur the coaches have looked at the talent on hand and are figuring out the best way to utilise them.

 

[SouthSwans]

I think this was idea in drafting Joel Amarty as a Rookie. He gives us a very mobile option. In a way so does Cameron as he is very good at ground level and can also go forward and kick goals. I don't believe in only having one game plan. There is no rule that says you can't be flexible. The Hawks were that's why they won three in a row. If something was not working they changed it. I'm sur the coaches have looked at the talent on hand and are figuring out the best way to utilise them.

Flexibility is vital of course but all the structural chopping & changing between Reid, Franklin, Sinclair, Tippett & Rohan doesn’t give us much of a chance to be a consistent forward group.

You only have to look to the back half structure (Grundy, Melican, Rampe, Smith, Mills) to see how dependable a certain area of the ground can be with continuity.

As a side note I highly doubt Cameron or Amartey will feature in the senior side in 2018 unless we have injuries.

 

[Deccas]

There seems a consensus view forming that Cameron won't plat much this season, which surprises me because he was performing well enough after his first preseason to be very much in consideration for a starting spot, and all thats changed is he has more continuity, fitness, and Tippet our first choice and most comparable player in terms of role, is out.

 

[Wolftone]

Flexibility is vital of course but all the structural chopping & changing between Reid, Franklin, Sinclair, Tippett & Rohan doesn’t give us much of a chance to be a consistent forward group.

You only have to look to the back half structure (Grundy, Melican, Rampe, Smith, Mills) to see how dependable a certain area of the ground can be with continuity.

As a side note I highly doubt Cameron or Amartey will feature in the senior side in 2018 unless we have injuries.

Amarty is a long term prospect certainly. Cameron on the other hand was very close to selection before injury intervened. Cameron is a mature age recruit and is as good an option as Tippet or Sinclair.

As for the forward line, it was quite settled last season except we kept panicking and sending Reid to the back line. Our forward structure was not right somehow. I think mainly because we insist on being too Buddy conscious. According to one website over 40% of our entries were to Buddy. This isxjust stupidity

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[Heeney2Franklin]

Amarty is a long term prospect certainly. Cameron on the other hand was very close to selection before injury intervened. Cameron is a mature age recruit and is as good an option as Tippet or Sinclair.

As for the forward line, it was quite settled last season except we kept panicking and sending Reid to the back line. Our forward structure was not right somehow. I think mainly because we insist on being too Buddy conscious. According to one website over 40% of our entries were to Buddy. This isxjust stupidity

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Not so sure its stupidity when Dangerfield goes forward where do you think Geelong entries are going to? he is our match winner its no surprise we are going to go to him a fair bit, look at the Essendon final won the game in a burst of 15mins.

 

[Wolftone]

Not so sure its stupidity when Dangerfield goes forward where do you think Geelong entries are going to? he is our match winner its no surprise we are going to go to him a fair bit, look at the Essendon final won the game in a burst of 15mins.

Certainly but too much of a good thing causes a huge hangover. We cannot continue to be a onr horse forward line. Every side is a wake up and all they do is put 2-3 players on him now. most of the games he kicked big figures he wasn't doing one out stuff deep forward he was leading to the ball or loose on the flanks or wing. that is how he is most effective. This sticking him deep forward and expecting him to mark everything is crap. After all he isn't a renowned pack mark at all. He hardly ever clunks one. Reid or Sinclair, yes even Sinclair are more likely in a pack than buddy. This is due to his almost always double handling marks.

If Dangerfield was a permanent forward he would get double teamed or intercepted too. But he's not and that move was not predictable, therefore we were not prepared for it. We were also not prepared for the big guys from Geelong to block for him either. We did not go in with a tall backline which was stupid. If we had we would have had options to intercept, change match ups etc.

Buddy is NOT a high pack marking key forward. To constantly kick the ball to him in that position is regressive and just plain stupid. We overuse Buddy. I don't care what you say he only gets about 50% of what is sent to him because he is double teamed. That is wasteful footy. Even the best cannot win more than that under those circumstances. We need to use best option not just Buddy.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Its why i have always suggested Reid plays in the goal square and Franklin is best used around the arc he is always in range 60-65 out.

The problem comes when Tippett/Sinclair rest up forward then you have Reid Tippett and Sinclair going for the same football spoiling each other and the opposition just run it out no problem

Its been a problem since 2013 with Mumford, Pyke, White, Tippett we have not been able to get cohesion.

 

[brad cooper]

Its why i have always suggested Reid plays in the goal square and Franklin is best used around the arc he is always in range 60-65 out.

The problem comes when Tippett/Sinclair rest up forward then you have Reid Tippett and Sinclair going for the same football spoiling each other and the opposition just run it out no problem

Its been a problem since 2013 with Mumford, Pyke, White, Tippett we have not been able to get cohesion.

Totally agree, that's why we should move forward with 1 ruckman. Buddy Reid Rohan Papley and Hayward gives us enough of a different mix up forward, throw in pinch hitters/resting mids in Heeney Parker etc and there is enough goals, marking and forward pressure to always kick a winning score.

 

[bungee]

In 2017 we ranked 5th in total points for. The three teams directly above us were roughly similar (within a few percentage points). It's only Adelaide who were the standout. They had the same 54% goal/behind ratio as us but 18% more scoring shots.

To make a huge difference in our ladder position through more effective attacking we'd have to look at how the Crows go about it. Goals per game average of the top 7 forwards indicates a glaring hole where we have no Betts or Jenkins equivalents.

Goals per game average/Total goals

Walker 2.35/54, Betts 2.29/55, Jenkins 2.14/45, McGovern 1.54/20, Lynch 1.35/31, Cameron 1.21/29, Otten 1.05/20
Franklin 3.04/72, Papley 1.5/30, Rohan 1.38/30, Reid 1.36/22, Hayward 1.29/22, Heeney 0.8/16, Tippet 0.78/7

Franklin at 3 goals/game average seems about right. Besides, increasing that by just one goal would require a far more Buddy-centric approach at the expense of others. So either we find a way to make all our other forwards roughly one goal per game more effective or we find ourselves an Eddie Betts and a Josh Jenkins.

We could look to have someone like Tippet or Sinclair kick a Jenkins type average/total and possibly Papley pick up the Eddie contribution. Is he capable of a 55 goal contribution ? Can Tippet/Sinclair or even Reid kick 45 without stealing from Buddy (which Tippet did to some extent in 2014/15) ?

Can guys like Rohan, Hayward and Heeney each lift their contributions by 7 or 8 goals ? Where does a fully fit Jack fit into the forward line in 2018 ? We seem to start out some promising small forwards who then migrate to the midfield as their fitness gets up. Do we continue to rely on the goal kicking contribution of our mids to fill the deficit or do we look to groom a specialist small forward who is happy to camp there for their career ?

On the promising side the stats would indicate we're getting a better spread of goal kickers as we go forward.

 

[Deccas]

In 2017 we ranked 5th in total points for. The three teams directly above us were roughly similar (within a few percentage points). It's only Adelaide who were the standout. They had the same 54% goal/behind ratio as us but 18% more scoring shots.



Walker 2.35/54, Betts 2.29/55, Jenkins 2.14/45, McGovern 1.54/20, Lynch 1.35/31, Cameron 1.21/29, Otten 1.05/20
Franklin 3.04/72, Papley 1.5/30, Rohan 1.38/30, Reid 1.36/22, Hayward 1.29/22, Heeney 0.8/16, Tippet 0.78/7

I think we will definitely see improvements from Papley and Hayward re goal totals. I think Rohan and Reid will probably improve too. I think last season was the first with a newish gameplan and role allocation, and things will improve.

I think we will probably go with a 5 man forward line -
Franklin Reid Rohan Papley Hayward
- and a resting mid. Our midfield rotations are looking really strong and quite full up especally with the addition of Heeney and Mills, Hewett full time and potentially Dawson breaking in this year. So I think we will probably see declines in some of our midfielders goals per game ratios, but a better spread in the midfield as every gets more minutes resting forward. Hopefully Parker can get back to his mean of nearly a goal a game from which last year was a departure.

 

[Kirkswan]

In 2017 we ranked 5th in total points for. The three teams directly above us were roughly similar (within a few percentage points). It's only Adelaide who were the standout. They had the same 54% goal/behind ratio as us but 18% more scoring shots.

To make a huge difference in our ladder position through more effective attacking we'd have to look at how the Crows go about it. Goals per game average of the top 7 forwards indicates a glaring hole where we have no Betts or Jenkins equivalents.

Goals per game average/Total goals

Walker 2.35/54, Betts 2.29/55, Jenkins 2.14/45, McGovern 1.54/20, Lynch 1.35/31, Cameron 1.21/29, Otten 1.05/20
Franklin 3.04/72, Papley 1.5/30, Rohan 1.38/30, Reid 1.36/22, Hayward 1.29/22, Heeney 0.8/16, Tippet 0.78/7

Franklin at 3 goals/game average seems about right. Besides, increasing that by just one goal would require a far more Buddy-centric approach at the expense of others. So either we find a way to make all our other forwards roughly one goal per game more effective or we find ourselves an Eddie Betts and a Josh Jenkins.

We could look to have someone like Tippet or Sinclair kick a Jenkins type average/total and possibly Papley pick up the Eddie contribution. Is he capable of a 55 goal contribution ? Can Tippet/Sinclair or even Reid kick 45 without stealing from Buddy (which Tippet did to some extent in 2014/15) ?

Can guys like Rohan, Hayward and Heeney each lift their contributions by 7 or 8 goals ? Where does a fully fit Jack fit into the forward line in 2018 ? We seem to start out some promising small forwards who then migrate to the midfield as their fitness gets up. Do we continue to rely on the goal kicking contribution of our mids to fill the deficit or do we look to groom a specialist small forward who is happy to camp there for their career ?

On the promising side the stats would indicate we're getting a better spread of goal kickers as we go forward.

I agree with this, and note that Heeney played with the after effects of Glandular Fever for the year, so it would be expected that his output for the year was down (you could see it without needing to refer to stats); and that Papley was only a second year player last year and is bound to improve with another pre-season under his belt. In addition, Will Hayward was a 19yro first year player who showed signs of greatness to come. He, imo, is most likely to provide the additional goals as we go forward. Another pre-season, a bit more more body mass, and great things could be in his future. Just a small increase from these three could be the additional 18% you are looking for.

 

[Kirkswan]

I think we will definitely see improvements from Papley and Hayward re goal totals. I think Rohan and Reid will probably improve too. I think last season was the first with a newish gameplan and role allocation, and things will improve.

I think we will probably go with a 5 man forward line -
Franklin Reid Rohan Papley Hayward
- and a resting mid. Our midfield rotations are looking really strong and quite full up especally with the addition of Heeney and Mills, Hewett full time and potentially Dawson breaking in this year. So I think we will probably see declines in some of our midfielders goals per game ratios, but a better spread in the midfield as every gets more minutes resting forward. Hopefully Parker can get back to his mean of nearly a goal a game from which last year was a departure.

Agree! I haven't seen Dawson play, and I don't know what he is like in front of goal. Who are you dropping to bring in Dawson?

 

[Wolftone]

In 2017 we ranked 5th in total points for. The three teams directly above us were roughly similar (within a few percentage points). It's only Adelaide who were the standout. They had the same 54% goal/behind ratio as us but 18% more scoring shots.

To make a huge difference in our ladder position through more effective attacking we'd have to look at how the Crows go about it. Goals per game average of the top 7 forwards indicates a glaring hole where we have no Betts or Jenkins equivalents.

Goals per game average/Total goals

Walker 2.35/54, Betts 2.29/55, Jenkins 2.14/45, McGovern 1.54/20, Lynch 1.35/31, Cameron 1.21/29, Otten 1.05/20
Franklin 3.04/72, Papley 1.5/30, Rohan 1.38/30, Reid 1.36/22, Hayward 1.29/22, Heeney 0.8/16, Tippet 0.78/7

Franklin at 3 goals/game average seems about right. Besides, increasing that by just one goal would require a far more Buddy-centric approach at the expense of others. So either we find a way to make all our other forwards roughly one goal per game more effective or we find ourselves an Eddie Betts and a Josh Jenkins.

We could look to have someone like Tippet or Sinclair kick a Jenkins type average/total and possibly Papley pick up the Eddie contribution. Is he capable of a 55 goal contribution ? Can Tippet/Sinclair or even Reid kick 45 without stealing from Buddy (which Tippet did to some extent in 2014/15) ?

Can guys like Rohan, Hayward and Heeney each lift their contributions by 7 or 8 goals ? Where does a fully fit Jack fit into the forward line in 2018 ? We seem to start out some promising small forwards who then migrate to the midfield as their fitness gets up. Do we continue to rely on the goal kicking contribution of our mids to fill the deficit or do we look to groom a specialist small forward who is happy to camp there for their career ?

On the promising side the stats would indicate we're getting a better spread of goal kickers as we go forward.

I think it is very important to look at scores to entries to see how much we waste the ball inside the forward 50. We had 1266 entries for 609 scores. We also had more OOF inside forward 50 than any other side. Under 50%. We waste the ball coming inside forward 50 either because we just kick to a pack or because our delivery is so lousy we simply miss targets. This wastefulness has got to stop. Three of the worst offenders in wasting the ball coming inside 50 are Kizza, Hannas and Joey. these are three of the most valuable players who need to lower the eyes and get it right.

 

[Wolftone]

Agree! I haven't seen Dawson play, and I don't know what he is like in front of goal. Who are you dropping to bring in Dawson?

I saw Dawson wind up from 70 on his own on the wing in the NEAL and kick it straight through the centre. He is generally good no matter where he is and has double the goals to points. He can kick them from the pocket on both sides, close in or from long range. That is what makes him doubly dangerous. He also is able to distribute the ball really well from the centre and round the ground stoppages. Then he has this knack of getting on his own. When resting he can take that massive pack mark or lead out really quickly. He is exciting and was runner up in the NEAFL Most Valuable Player Award.

 

[Kirkswan]

I saw Dawson wind up from 70 on his own on the wing in the NEAL and kick it straight through the centre. He is generally good no matter where he is and has double the goals to points. He can kick them from the pocket on both sides, close in or from long range. That is what makes him doubly dangerous. He also is able to distribute the ball really well from the centre and round the ground stoppages. Then he has this knack of getting on his own. When resting he can take that massive pack mark or lead out really quickly. He is exciting and was runner up in the NEAFL Most Valuable Player Award.

Thanks

 

[sataris]

I saw Dawson wind up from 70 on his own on the wing in the NEAL and kick it straight through the centre. He is generally good no matter where he is and has double the goals to points. He can kick them from the pocket on both sides, close in or from long range. That is what makes him doubly dangerous. He also is able to distribute the ball really well from the centre and round the ground stoppages. Then he has this knack of getting on his own. When resting he can take that massive pack mark or lead out really quickly. He is exciting and was runner up in the NEAFL Most Valuable Player Award.

Who was the winner?

 

[Punts]

Dawson also missed 5 games from memory

 

[Punts]

Be rapt to see a 1 ruck set up and a forward structure that sees us hitting lead up targets regardless of there last name

The bombing along with being unable to hits targets is becoming more frustrating as the years goes by

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Be rapt to see a 1 ruck set up and a forward structure that sees us hitting lead up targets regardless of there last name

The bombing along with being unable to hits targets is becoming more frustrating as the years goes by

Lighten up Punts. At least we have someone to kick everything to now...

 

[Deccas]

Agree! I haven't seen Dawson play, and I don't know what he is like in front of goal. Who are you dropping to bring in Dawson?

I've just followed his returns in the neafl and on the numbers alone he has to be the next cab off the rank.

I wouldn't drop anyone, but injuries are a certainty and I expect him to be good enough to nail a spot down.

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[Grand Uncle Horace]

Dawson should take over from Rohan. Is more adaptable and promising.

 

[brad cooper]

I've just followed his returns in the neafl and on the numbers alone he has to be the next cab off the rank.

I wouldn't drop anyone, but injuries are a certainty and I expect him to be good enough to nail a spot down.

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Agreed, to me its a similar situation to what hewitt was in. Good form in ressies for a couple of years then nails a spot in seniors.