Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Part 1 (continued in Part 2 - see OP for link)

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How do we feel about the drafting of Petrevski-Seton (P-S)?

Taken at pick 6 he has shown signs of silk. Well deserve rising star award.

How would the team look now if we had drafted the other prominent hyphen (and one of the other midfield options not too far from P-S), Powell-Pepper (P-P)?

In hindsight he would be exactly what we need now. Gets his own ball and uses it well.

(P-S) does not have the game or the hunger to get his own ball as much as others, this was obvious from his junior days. His value is on the outside of the contest. Which is great, he will be great when our midfield depth increases.

I suppose my basic argument is, should we have gone with two genuine get the ball midfielders in P-P and fisher instead of going half and half and getting one cream on top outside midfielder who will be handy when we are good and one who gets his own ball?

It is not a massive mistake. I think all players mentioned will do well. But in terms of providing a midfield which can get the ball to everyone else in order to develop the rest of the team we might have missed a trick?
 

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This is all IMO
Based on our current situation and trying to forecast where we are in 2-4 years.
The simple facts are we have 2 bonafide stars.
Cripps and Doc
We have a few that I would expect will join them in this category
Charlie C, Fisher, Marchbank
We have a group that may join the others, based on a small sample
Dow, McKay, Williamson, SPS, O’Brien, Weitering
All the others, IMO are 50/50
Pickett, Cunners, Kennedy, Polson, JSOS etc,etc
In short, I think we are still in deep shit.
Kruez, Murph, Daisy, Simmo, Rowe, Ed, will all be gone within this timeframe.
We need to get some ready made talent into the club.
Otherwise we will be in a perpetual rebuild, ala Saint Kilda, Melb, Norf.

Loosing on a regular basis hinders development and creates bad habits, we need to break this cycle ASAP.
Lost 9 out of last 10 last season, and first 6 this year.........no good can come from this
Depends what the individual takes out of each loss really.
 

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PS. This reeks of PeePee
Great comment. Well thought out.

Let me put this another way.

Petreski-Seton very much reminds me of Craig Bradley.

That is a massive complement.

However, Bradley played 99 senior game for Port Adelaide before playing AFL.

I think P-S is in a similar situation.

I think at pick 6 we would have been far better off picking am elite young inside midfielder (P-P) along with Fisher.

This would have been the base our midfield rebuild would need.

A player like Petrevski-Seton will be at full power for our team and our rebuild 100 games in, just like Bradley.
 
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Exactly, people here need to be realistic.

3 seasons later Hawthorn were still near the bottom of the ladder and that's when you got Buddy, Roughead and Lewis in 2004 - helped by a priority pick.
That's where we're at now...we've had 3 off-seasons under SOS though our list was coming from a looooong way back.

Then Hawthorn won a premiership 4 years later in 2008 and even that was considered snatching a premiership earlier than expected. Plus Buddy was a freak being so good so quickly.

Hodge - Docherty
Mitchell - Cripps
Lewis - Dow
Roughead - McKay
Buddy - Curnow

Plus guys like SPS, Fisher, LOB, Kennedy, Pickett, Marchbank, Weitering & Willo.
We're on the right track.
Spot on
 

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Go watch his junior highlights, he's not an outside player.
I have. Watch them.

When he is in a contest he dishes out panic handballs or falls over. When he is on the outside his play is sublime.

Just from evidence this year he has been bullied off the ball many times in the contest.

It is not criticism, it is just his game. There are very few guys who play contested footy well. I loved Bradley. Outside players should be applauded as well.

My main argument is why draft an outside player at pick 6. When there where inside options available.

We could have drafted two great inside midfield players who help the team from day one.

I know harry hindsight, but one of the draft rules really should be no outside midfielders in the first round.
 

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Our team after the rebuild. At the moment, we are still 5 first team players short.

Hence, we need another 2 drafts to complete the rebuild.

B: Plowman---------------Marchbank------------*NewPlayer

H: Docherty---------------Weitering-------------*NewPlayer

C: C.Curnow---------------Cripps------------------O'Brien

H: Lang------------------*Lukosius-------------*NewPlayer

F: Pickett-------------------McKay-----------------Fisher

R: *NewPlayer, Dow, SPS
 

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I have. Watch them.

When he is in a contest he dishes out panic handballs or falls over. When he is on the outside his play is sublime.

Just from evidence this year he has been bullied off the ball many times in the contest.

It is not criticism, it is just his game. There are very few guys who play contested footy well. I loved Bradley. Outside players should be applauded as well.

My main argument is why draft an outside player at pick 6. When there where inside options available.

We could have drafted two great inside midfield players who help the team from day one.

I know harry hindsight, but one of the draft rules really should be no outside midfielders in the first round.
His appeal is his use of the ball from inside out. That he doesn’t panic and can exit congestion.

http://footyprophet.com/2016-draft-profile-sam-petrevski-seton/

His biggest knock has always been that he isn’t a big ball winner.

His draft profile from Brett Anderson. https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/11/17/top-50-prospects-for-2016-afl-draft-1-25/
Sam PETREVSKI-SETON
Ht: 179.7cm | Wt: 72.7kg | Hybrid Midfielder | Claremont

As talented as any prospect in the country. Petrevski-Seton is an ambidextrous ball user, but does have a tendency to go onto left side a bit too often and scrub kicks along the ground – he had a very high clanger percentage in this year’s championships. As a ball winner, he can win it inside and out (he shows good combativeness for his size), and has excellent vision to bring teammates into the game. He coasted at times in the WAFL Colts – I would have liked to see him play a few league games – and his work rate is something he needs to improve to reach his full potential.

Strengths: polish, impact, contested ball.

Needs to improve: work-rate, fitness, clangers.

Injuries: Hamstring in May/June.

Combine test results: Repeat Sprint – N/A. 20m Sprint – 3.01. Agility – 8.54. Beep Test – N/A. 3km TT – 10:32.

Draft range: 5-10.

What they say: “He probably didn’t have the year people wanted him to have, or that he wanted to have, but he some niggling injuries. Just a beautiful mover, kicks it both sides brilliantly, tackles hard and he’s as good as a junior as I’ve seen. Just a classy, classy player.” – Claremont football operations manager Darcy Coffey.


Edit:
- how many Brownlow votes do each players have?

He is extremely good for his size and has a ridiculous core strength that will build. He’s small so he’ll take longer. He’s got a lower fitness base than most and has no pre season so he’ll take time plus I think Bolts is playing him in the f50 a fair bit. Not sure your observations are terribly on point.

I’m not sure inside the contest has been our issue this year. Our defence has been injury hit and awful and we haven’t locked the ball in the forward half at all. If we’ve missed any tricks it’s not finding a ready to play small forward and gut running winger/ outside mid yet.

We are last for average intercepts. We are last for efficiency inside forward 50. We are 15th for average tackles in f50. We are 16th for average marks inside f50. We have serious issues in link up play. Our forwards get off very lightly on this board yet their leading patterns are godawful. Charlie included. They too often stand still and offer nothing. Powell pepper would arguably add absolutely nothing to help fix these things. He’s a bull but has questionable disposal and decision making.
 
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How do we feel about the drafting of Petrevski-Seton (P-S)?

Taken at pick 6 he has shown signs of silk. Well deserve rising star award.

How would the team look now if we had drafted the other prominent hyphen (and one of the other midfield options not too far from P-S), Powell-Pepper (P-P)?

In hindsight he would be exactly what we need now. Gets his own ball and uses it well.

(P-S) does not have the game or the hunger to get his own ball as much as others, this was obvious from his junior days. His value is on the outside of the contest. Which is great, he will be great when our midfield depth increases.

I suppose my basic argument is, should we have gone with two genuine get the ball midfielders in P-P and fisher instead of going half and half and getting one cream on top outside midfielder who will be handy when we are good and one who gets his own ball?

It is not a massive mistake. I think all players mentioned will do well. But in terms of providing a midfield which can get the ball to everyone else in order to develop the rest of the team we might have missed a trick?
Don’t forget that half our first choice midfield is injured: Kreuzer and Murphy. Kennedy is not fully fit either.
The issue is not SPS. He is a class player who needs pre-seasons in him.
We lack depth in midfield and so SPS is copping heat for this.
 

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Our team after the rebuild. At the moment, we are still 5 first team players short.

Hence, we need another 2 drafts to complete the rebuild.

B: Plowman---------------Marchbank------------*NewPlayer

H: Docherty---------------Weitering-------------*NewPlayer

C: C.Curnow---------------Cripps------------------O'Brien

H: Lang------------------*Lukosius-------------*NewPlayer

F: Pickett-------------------McKay-----------------Fisher

R: *NewPlayer, Dow, SPS
Plus 4 on the bench.
 

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Our team after the rebuild. At the moment, we are still 5 first team players short.

Hence, we need another 2 drafts to complete the rebuild.

B: Plowman---------------Marchbank------------*Byrne

H: Docherty---------------Weitering-------------*Cuningham

C: *Fisher-----------------Cripps------------------O'Brien

H: Lang------------------*Lukosius-------------*Garlett

F: Pickett-------------------McKay-----------------*Curnow

R: *DeKoning, Dow, SPS
 

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His biggest knock has always been that he isn’t a big ball winner..
That's not true at all, and something I thought I'd dispelled here in the past.

He had hamstring problems in his final year before the draft, and has had perpetual quad issues for the past 14 or so months, but look at his 2014-2016 Colts stats (yes, three years) to get an idea of his ball-winning abilities.
 

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SPS is a brilliant young talent that is out of form. 25 games, averaging 14 disposals, 6 tackles, 7 contested posessions, 2 clangers.. need him to find the ball 20-25 times per game and increase his 1% ers. Plenty to work with here.
 
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Great comment. Well thought out.

Let me put this another way.

Petreski-Seton very much reminds me of Craig Bradley.

That is a massive complement.

However, Bradley played 99 senior game for Port Adelaide before playing AFL.

I think P-S is in a similar situation.

I think at pick 6 we would have been far better off picking am elite young inside midfielder (P-P) along with Fisher.

This would have been the base our midfield rebuild would need.

A player like Petrevski-Seton will be at full power for our team and our rebuild 100 games in, just like Bradley.
Umm sorry off topic but you do know Bradley played 90 odd games in SANFL because he wanted to not because he was not good enough. He kinda showed that by winning the Carlton B & F in his first season as well as making Port Adelaide’s team of the century.
 
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Young, immature bodies expected to be able to immediately abosorb senior AFL level physically because of their draft number is a fallacy that needs to bloody stop.

The fact our 24 - 28 age bracket is a barren wasteland of talent is what is killing us.
You are 100% right. It's so bloody obvious. We have boys running out against mature bodied men. Other teams can run harder for longer. They have the experience to know where and how to run and support one another. In the weekend the doggies midfield, whom have played together for a few years, all synced up inside and outside the contest. Our midfield was disjointed.

We just need to give this time. Ideally we would recruit a few more mature aged midfielders this year. Gaff would be bloody brilliant. Even trying to find types like Tom Kelly in the second round will help.
 

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Umm sorry off topic but you do know Bradley played 90 odd games in SANFL because he wanted to not because he was not good enough. He kinda showed that by winning the Carlton B & F in his first season as well as making Port Adelaide’s team of the century.
Best me to it.
Also, SPS plays quite differently, I'd say LOB is the closest to Bradley.
 
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