Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Part 1 (continued in Part 2 - see OP for link)

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I was just looking through the list and I was wondering: who seems likely to be delisted at the end of the year? The obvious one is JGM, but I was wondering who else you guys think will be gone?

I know it's hard to know because it's only the start of the year, but I guess just judging off past/current form.
 

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I was just looking through the list and I was wondering: who seems likely to be delisted at the end of the year? The obvious one is JGM, but I was wondering who else you guys think will be gone?

I know it's hard to know because it's only the start of the year, but I guess just judging off past/current form.
Oshea, Shaw, Mullet, Lobbe , Lang and Kennedy are on one year contracts

Final year - Graham, ASOS, Kerridge, Lamb + Rowe are on last year

Others such as Pickett, Lebois Thomas, Polsen, Kerr are on last year
 

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Looking at the Northern Blues results and what seems a very young side without any leaders... i also then look at the EDFL results and see Dennis Arnfield playing for Avondale Heights.. I just think this is a wasted opportunity and that we should have kept him around, the boy bleeds blue and I am sure it would not have taken much convincing to make him want to stay in a playing assistant coach or something similar.
 

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Oshea, Shaw, Mullet, Lobbe , Lang and Kennedy are on one year contracts

Final year - Graham, ASOS, Kerridge, Lamb + Rowe are on last year

Others such as Pickett, Lebois Thomas, Polsen, Kerr are on last year
Id be beyond surprised if Kennedy and Lang are on 1 year deals. In fact if i was them, id sack their managers
 

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To me sustained success does not mean Charlie Curnow starts playing finals at 25. Weitering and Curnow start need to start playing finals at 23, Fisher and SPS at 22 and Dow at 21 or this sustained success mantra is a furphy as if they don't 1. there is no sustained success and what the club has laid out to do has failed and 2. if we don't begin to have sustained success another rebuild is around the corner if our young blokes are not supported by A graders.

Over to you SOS - Hawthorn bought in players, Geelong did it, Richmond did it

Bring in the A graders this October - thank you
 

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To me sustained success does not mean Charlie Curnow starts playing finals at 25. Weitering and Curnow start need to start playing finals at 23, Fisher and SPS at 22 and Dow at 21 or this sustained success mantra is a furphy as if they don't 1. there is no sustained success and what the club has laid out to do has failed and 2. if we don't begin to have sustained success another rebuild is around the corner if our young blokes are not supported by A graders.

Over to you SOS - Hawthorn bought in players, Geelong did it, Richmond did it

Bring in the A graders this October - thank you
Did you just say the club has failed in what it has wanted to do. Then used Hawthorn, Richmond and Geelong as a reference point?
 

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So what was the part about us failing? Are you saying we should have done it exactly the same as those 3 teams? And if we did we would be in flag contention?
No I am saying sustained success if a furphy if Weitering and Curnow don't start playing finals soon.. let me ask you a question If Weitering and Curnow are 25 years old and not won a final yet would you deem that as acceptable?
 

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Thought Young Libba didn’t talk to Old Libba.

I just want us to draft a B grade midfielder that is an A grade dog campaigner from Doveton or Broady or somewhere. It’s what we need.


*not with a 1st round pick or anything, somewhere in the 2-3 round would do
You want a Rhys Mathieson style operator?
 

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No I am saying sustained success if a furphy if Weitering and Curnow don't start playing finals soon.. let me ask you a question If Weitering and Curnow are 25 years old and not won a final yet would you deem that as acceptable?
Many players don't win premiership. Id say its acceptable for some players. Charlie is 21 and weits is 20. I very much doubt that 4 years from now if we haven't won a premiership they will be filthy.

I would love them to win a premiership asap. But im also a realist. We have very little depth. Nothing of note in the vfl 2-3 years back. Hawthorn, Geelong and even Richmond had players better than ours. And they could see much more potential with their group than ours.

Its no coincidence Richmond's vfl team went well last year. You cant just trade in 3 or 4 players with the player's we had and expect finals.
 

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Many players don't win premiership. Id say its acceptable for some players. Charlie is 21 and weits is 20. I very much doubt that 4 years from now if we haven't won a premiership they will be filthy.

I would love them to win a premiership asap. But im also a realist. We have very little depth. Nothing of note in the vfl 2-3 years back. Hawthorn, Geelong and even Richmond had players better than ours. And they could see much more potential with their group than ours.

Its no coincidence Richmond's vfl team went well last year. You cant just trade in 3 or 4 players with the player's we had and expect finals.
I am talking about Carlton Blues not any other players nor other club. The club has preached the mantra of sustained success and in order to achieve that have gone through a full blown rebuild which I support. But whether it is done correctly is yet to be seen. I have my doubts but I think this is natural as I don't follow things blindly.

Simple question 2021 - Weitering, Curnow JSOS Williamson Cripps, Docherty McKay Fisher SPS are 22 and over where Cripps is 26 and Docherty is 27 and have not won a final yet - do you deem that as acceptable?
 

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I am talking about Carlton Blues not any other players nor other club. The club has preached the mantra of sustained success and in order to achieve that have gone through a full blown rebuild which I support. But whether it is done correctly is yet to be seen. I have my doubts but I think this is natural as I don't follow things blindly.

Simple question 2021 - Weitering, Curnow JSOS Williamson Cripps, Docherty McKay Fisher SPS are 23 and over where Cripps is 26 and Docherty is 27 and have not won a final yet - do you deem that as acceptable?
There's actually no simple answer to it though. Why not 2022/2023/2024. All players are still old enough to play and play on for more years. Only a fool would say in 3 years time we win a premiership
 
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