I think we should trade for him
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Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Pt 2
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I game in 3 years I think?
Maybe, but what gives any confidence he's a good option? I think at draft time the knock was lack of broad skillset and concern he might have been a bit of a man-child who could struggle to translate his game to the AFL. Several years on he can't get a game in a side not exactly flush with A+ tall options, even whilst Adams is down injured, kept out by a 35yo (Morris), a 18yo (Naughton) and a re-tread who can't kick (Trenners). Not to be all glass-half-empty, and I have nothing against the kid, but it doesn't sound like he's playing very good football. He'd wanna be cheap.
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Looking at Saturday's 22 and thinking ahead to round 1 (with a full list *touch wood* before trade/fa/draft acquisitions) I've got about 9 changes, 41% of the 22. That'll do wonders for us (and the NBs).
Thomas > Docherty
Lobbe > Kreuzer
Wright > Fisher
Silvagni > Weitering
Graham > Kennedy
Lamb > Plowman
Rowe > Jones/Macreadie
Kerridge > Williamson
Polson > Cuningham
When you think about Samo, Harry, Kennedy, Lang & Pickett all having interrupted preseasons (or a big layoff at the start of the season proper) they all should be able to step up if they get a clean run at it.
If you can count Samo, Harry, Lang & Pickett as half a change each (as in them coming in fit will be an upgrade on themselves now) then we're at 11 changes.
Fingers crossed Doc, Plow, Kreuz, Willo, Cuners, Fisher, Jones all get over their season ending afflictions with no hiccups or setbacks.
Then you've probably got one of Walsh/Smith/Lukosius/Rankine to throw into the mix along with perhaps a couple of Valente/Bytel/etc and/or Brodie/Setterfield/McGovern/etc depending on what we do with our 2nds. Maybe a Fasolo/Dahlhaus/Wallis. I'm not considering any Shiel/Gaff/etc 'top line' players coming across at this stage. Regardless, that's already waaaaay better than what we've been putting out on the park each week this year. The cohesion may be an issue early, having so many changes and no stability in the match day team, but it should improve week by week and hopefully we can finish the year strongly. We should do alright in terms of our draw next year which may help a touch too. If we can show something by seasons end, then we're so much more appealing to someone like Shiel as a FA next year who'll be more confident he's getting himself into a club heading in the right direction (and hopefully fast!).
Thomas > Docherty
Lobbe > Kreuzer
Wright > Fisher
Silvagni > Weitering
Graham > Kennedy
Lamb > Plowman
Rowe > Jones/Macreadie
Kerridge > Williamson
Polson > Cuningham
When you think about Samo, Harry, Kennedy, Lang & Pickett all having interrupted preseasons (or a big layoff at the start of the season proper) they all should be able to step up if they get a clean run at it.
If you can count Samo, Harry, Lang & Pickett as half a change each (as in them coming in fit will be an upgrade on themselves now) then we're at 11 changes.
Fingers crossed Doc, Plow, Kreuz, Willo, Cuners, Fisher, Jones all get over their season ending afflictions with no hiccups or setbacks.
Then you've probably got one of Walsh/Smith/Lukosius/Rankine to throw into the mix along with perhaps a couple of Valente/Bytel/etc and/or Brodie/Setterfield/McGovern/etc depending on what we do with our 2nds. Maybe a Fasolo/Dahlhaus/Wallis. I'm not considering any Shiel/Gaff/etc 'top line' players coming across at this stage. Regardless, that's already waaaaay better than what we've been putting out on the park each week this year. The cohesion may be an issue early, having so many changes and no stability in the match day team, but it should improve week by week and hopefully we can finish the year strongly. We should do alright in terms of our draw next year which may help a touch too. If we can show something by seasons end, then we're so much more appealing to someone like Shiel as a FA next year who'll be more confident he's getting himself into a club heading in the right direction (and hopefully fast!).
We can dream.
A fit list and it’s very possible. What we need then is cohesion. Vital
We have potentially a great defence. Just needs to ply together. Same with the forward line.
Get some additions to the midfield like Walsh Brodie Miles and a much improved Dow SPS Fisher Cuningham Kennedy w Cripps and it’s a good side that will get better
His strength is being able to play both FWD and MID. Won't have to play him 70% mid and throwing him forward, we would have confidence given he made his mark up there for the Doggies. He was a cult player with those dreads he used to have - attacking the ball and player with pressure and being handy around goal.
What happened to him this year? Form and news about him seems to have dropped off a cliff. Is it injuries?
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Not sure, but rumours of things at the Kennel not being rosy could have something to do with it as well.
Only we would think a bloke who has kicked 2 goals for the year is a genuine upgrade to our forward line options! 
Been carrying an injury and playing mostly midfield as the worker type to support Hunter & Macrae. I'd like to see him as an 80/20 forward for us
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Only we would think a bloke who has kicked 2 goals for the year is a genuine upgrade to our forward line options!
Been playing pure inside midfield this year. Can kick a goal and has and is also averaging 4.5 tackles a game. A three year deal with most up front won't hurt us. Not a star but a very good player and would help us IMO
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I'm with ya Soapy.
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I was actually thinking that. I had another good look at our list. Given comments about not many changes etc I think 8-10 is about it.
It could be very simple this year. Get 3-4 mature bodies via FA or cheap. Names like Fasolo Dahlhaus Miles Lester etc
Cerra Lloyd Setterfield or Gaff would be awesome but unlikely. Although I live in hope until I hear otherwise. Kelly has to be the major target next year
Then we could easily go to the draft with picks 1 (Walsh), 19 (PP - Caldwell), 25 (Clark) & 28 (McHenry). Our group of young players then looks awesome and is pretty set. BSOS late or rookie then a couple of other rookies.
A McVeigh type for a year would be great as well.
IMO that would really add depth and solidity to our list and allows 2019/20 to target the really elite players will see the great future we have.
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Great post. On top of that if names like Lamb Silvagni Wright Kerridge (who you have being replaced) then a Walsh etc step up and surprise next year we are even a better side.
As you said I believe the biggest improvement next will come from our 3-4th year players.
Continuity and competition for spots (a strong reserves) is also absolutely vital to our improvement
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I think its the best way to go soap. Gaff wont happen. Lloyd unlikely. Setterfield i want. Not sure Brodie is a sensible move since he is contracted. Same again with shiel.
If we added dahlhous, Faz, roughie etc via fa.
A couple of mature agers in Nelson, Blakey, Palmer, Wilson, Fisher with late picks.
Add walsh and a few other quality draft kids with the pp and 2nds, we instantly get better. Not 1000x better, but very competitive. We add quality matures all across the park and some great talent still.
I agree about the 2019 trade period also. Its where we go all in for players like kelly and Cerra. Add shiel as a fa and 2020 looks unbelieveable. Just need to hold our nerve 1 more year.
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Fasolo can GAGF'd.
Agree, do that and have some continuity and 8-10 wins is very achievable in 2019. That will make us more of a destination club and we will have the money to not only land a Kelly but a Shiel Setterfield or Cerra as well.
I can understand that theory as well but seems like it's going to happen so I'll go with it (for now)
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