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The Thunder are the perfect example. Why are they called the Sydney Thunder, and another team called the Sydney 6ers. There was no point of difference, outside colours, logo or where they played. Why not call the Thunder, West Sydney Thunder(one of the better mascots chosen) and create a bigger point of difference and give it some loyalty to the stadium and its place in Sydney. In saying that, I think the Thunder are going as good, if not better, than the 6ers.
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Apart from colours logo and the name Thunder, what differentiation was possible?

Olympic Park is on the eastern side of the geographical centre of Sydney, so Western isn't necessarily appropriate. Unlike us they weren't specifically set up with junior zones to focus on a locality.

 

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Is there any information out there on BBL sponsorship deals?
I was just thinking the other night that now they split the BBL ratings for a game so that one game turns into two sessions, a BBL side pretty much get the same amount of TV viewers in one game than what an A League side would in an entire season.
Even if you don’t count the different sessions (which when comparing to a similar length game like Football you shouldn’t) they still would push many of the lowly AFL and NRL sides in yearly viewers.
I’m sure the short season hurts them but having the competition be so Micky Mouse could also bite them on the bum.
 

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That would account for a small drop off. Include the 20% decrease, which has happened everywhere and it would be about right.
It does show how marginal a Tassie sports team is though - and no doubt that's one of the reasons the AFL (and most other sporting comps) is so hesitant about a Tassie team. To compete they need to pretty much sell out every game given corporate support will probably always be at the lower end. And if there's a drop in crowds then the whole operation looks suspect. I don't know how the Canes financials stack up with consistent sub 10k crowds, but that's probably going to be the lowest in the league by a long way. Still, they've been one of the more competitive teams across the BBL's history and credit needs to go to the people that run them for that.

I always thought the BBL succeded despite the mismanagement of Cricket Australia. The mascots of the teams are stupid. The colours are stupid. They were marketing franchises with no connection to the area.
I agree with you, but we're all hardcore sports people on this forum. We're probably going to watch regardless.

Compare the BBL to the old state based T20 comp - it's chalk and cheese. I can tell you first hand that the engagement with kids is off the charts, so the soccer mums are on board as well. That's something that was never even on the horizon for a domestic cricket comp in history. Time will tell whether they'll be able to maintain it, but I have to say that the standard of the league this season has been pretty shit. CA can't afford to neglect it.
 

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It does show how marginal a Tassie sports team is though - and no doubt that's one of the reasons the AFL (and most other sporting comps) is so hesitant about a Tassie team. To compete they need to pretty much sell out every game given corporate support will probably always be at the lower end. And if there's a drop in crowds then the whole operation looks suspect. I don't know how the Canes financials stack up with consistent sub 10k crowds, but that's probably going to be the lowest in the league by a long way. Still, they've been one of the more competitive teams across the BBL's history and credit needs to go to the people that run them for that.



I agree with you, but we're all hardcore sports people on this forum. We're probably going to watch regardless.

Compare the BBL to the old state based T20 comp - it's chalk and cheese. I can tell you first hand that the engagement with kids is off the charts, so the soccer mums are on board as well. That's something that was never even on the horizon for a domestic cricket comp in history. Time will tell whether they'll be able to maintain it, but I have to say that the standard of the league this season has been pretty shit. CA can't afford to neglect it.
it really took ch.10 to broadcast every match for the BBL to take off. The first couple of years were small fry compared to what it is now. Now, the kids take the parents. It is the most kid-friendly league in the nation and by some distance.

As for the Canes, they would have 1 big advantage compared to some other franchises. They basically own the stadium they play in. And I reckon, being v.closely linked to cricket Tas, they would have some cost-saving exercises compared to the 2 city franchises with certain staff.
 

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Apart from colours logo and the name Thunder, what differentiation was possible?

Olympic Park is on the eastern side of the geographical centre of Sydney, so Western isn't necessarily appropriate. Unlike us they weren't specifically set up with junior zones to focus on a locality.
Perhaps they should have then......

I reckon if you did a poll on Thunder fans, a large % would be from the Western part of Sydney. just a guess, but since their stadia is west of the SCG, it would make sense.
 

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As for the Canes, they would have 1 big advantage compared to some other franchises. They basically own the stadium they play in. And I reckon, being v.closely linked to cricket Tas, they would have some cost-saving exercises compared to the 2 city franchises with certain staff.
Cricket Tasmania has a direct lease with the Clarence City Council for Bellerive Oval. The lease is for 45 years commencing October 2001 and rent is payable at the rate of 0.89% of the gross audited revenue for the previous year.
 

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Looks like the BBL is starting to really put the heat on the A League
Last night at ANZ Stadium the A League only got 8365 and the BBL had 46,000 at the G and of course the TV ratings will be hugely in favour of the BBL.
The A League have nowhere to hide as they will also cop a beating when the AFL Preseason,AFLW,A Tennis Open and F1 GP swamp them as well.
 

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Anyone know what the crowd at the GC was for the T20. Looked pretty good. think T20 will pick up now Christmas & NYE are out of the way.

The problem with A - league is that its a 3rd rate comp & everyone knows it. They lose their best players to Asia & Europe. Theirs no getting away from that for them unfortunately.
 

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Anyone know what the crowd at the GC was for the T20. Looked pretty good. think T20 will pick up now Christmas & NYE are out of the way.

The problem with A - league is that its a 3rd rate comp & everyone knows it. They lose their best players to Asia & Europe. Theirs no getting away from that for them unfortunately.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with cricket in 20 years. India by than could have a $10trillion economy and it could pretty much be the end of Australia getting to see any high level cricket outside of internationals.
Some very interesting times ahead I think
 

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It’ll be interesting to see what happens with cricket in 20 years. India by than could have a $10trillion economy and it could pretty much be the end of Australia getting to see any high level cricket outside of internationals.
Some very interesting times ahead I think
Your answer had nothing to do with my post :rolleyes:, however.

Talking with sports buff friends recently we see India consolidating itself at the top of cricket. Its a good thing that the game is strong in India. The game will ride on the economic rise of India.

Australia will need to encourage kids to play the game & see the best rise through the elite programs. We should be competitive most of the time. That provided cricket Oz don't stuff it up by limiting access to seeing games on TV which reduces kids exposure to the game.

But like the AFL, CA seem only to consider the short term financial gain they make. Corporate bonuses?
 

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It’ll be interesting to see what happens with cricket in 20 years. India by than could have a $10trillion economy and it could pretty much be the end of Australia getting to see any high level cricket outside of internationals.
Some very interesting times ahead I think
Why do you say that? You think the IPL will expand to 6 months of the year and suck up all our best cricketers?
 

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Your answer had nothing to do with my post :rolleyes:, however.

Talking with sports buff friends recently we see India consolidating itself at the top of cricket. Its a good thing that the game is strong in India. The game will ride on the economic rise of India.

Australia will need to encourage kids to play the game & see the best rise through the elite programs. We should be competitive most of the time. That provided cricket Oz don't stuff it up by limiting access to seeing games on TV which reduces kids exposure to the game.

But like the AFL, CA seem only to consider the short term financial gain they make. Corporate bonuses?
Do Tests make money outside TV rights. how are the ratings going?
 

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Why do you say that? You think the IPL will expand to 6 months of the year and suck up all our best cricketers?
I don’t think it would even have to be that long. We aren’t that far away now, that with the amount of money IPL sides are paying that they could soon start dictating where players can and can’t play and that is only going to get a lot worse.
The thing that soccer has going for it is that the two global financial super powers atm both don’t have a strong soccer culture. This leaves wealthy nations of Germany, France, England ect all on a fairly even standing, meaning no country can ever dominate the sporting landscape financially. This insures that FIFA have control of the sport.
Cricket will just become like basketball where one country completely dominates the market because they will be financially so much stronger. The ICC will also lose power because they will rely on BCCI financially where’s compared to soccer, FIFA is not reliant on any one market.
 

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Do Tests make money outside TV rights. how are the ratings going?
I don't know but maybe in India they would. So far as TV rights go, the rankings of rights money seem to be,

IPL
ICC events
English domestic cricket
BCCI international games.
Australia
long way back to South Africa.

In that order so India is pretty cashed up anyway,
 

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I don’t think it would even have to be that long. We aren’t that far away now, that with the amount of money IPL sides are paying that they could soon start dictating where players can and can’t play and that is only going to get a lot worse.
The thing that soccer has going for it is that the two global financial super powers atm both don’t have a strong soccer culture. This leaves wealthy nations of Germany, France, England ect all on a fairly even standing, meaning no country can ever dominate the sporting landscape financially. This insures that FIFA have control of the sport.
Cricket will just become like basketball where one country completely dominates the market because they will be financially so much stronger. The ICC will also lose power because they will rely on BCCI financially where’s compared to soccer, FIFA is not reliant on any one market.
We are miles away from that now. What you're talking about would require a massive culture shift in the game not just in India, but worldwide. European soccer leagues take up 9 months of the year, and the NBA isn't all that much less. If you're employed by one of those teams, then it's basically a 12 month obligation. The IPL is nothing like that, and is unlikely to become that in the short or medium term.
 

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That’s why I say 20 years but it could literally go from the status quo to a primary league based sport pretty much overnight in the future. We have seen it before with World Series cricket how quickly things can change when money becomes involved.

My guess is; India with the power they will have in the future can pretty much setup a domestic comp (IPL) and play internationals around it, whenever suits them. No other country will have the resources to fight them in the future and the players will no doubt try to resist the money but sooner or later we know that money always wins out. As soon as you start getting big name English and Australian players choosing the money from IPL over international cricket the ICC will buckle and align internationals with the IPL off season and it will mean local domestic competitions will just become our version (although stronger) of the A League. Lower standard feeder leagues for an oversea’s competition.
 

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AFL FInals attendance 2011 to 2018 = 4,614,214

NRL finals and SOO attendance 2011 to 2018 = 4,1641,546

Not going to help I'm afraid :)
Not adding enough RL events for NRL to come out on top, shows you up as the AFL stooge that you are.

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Interesting graph. You can see how BBL was growing, but the past two seasons they have shunk again on a game by game basis. Continue on the same trajectory and the comp will be in ALeague territory once again.

The number of attendees between BBL 16/17 and BBL 17/18 went up from 1,053,997 to 1,140,835, but the number of games also increased by 8 (two rounds?).

Shows that new teams and more games may have to wait whilst crowds catch up, not much money in a game that averages 10,000 per game, hence why the ALeague is stuck where it is. At least the BBL gets 1m+ views on tv, but even those numbers are reducing.
 
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