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In my post #1564, I outlined:-

. mainland Chinese (all "private" companies & organisations are, ultimately, totally controlled by the Chinese Communist Party) full or partial ownership in some A League clubs, & the failed Chinese-financed Southern Sydney bid for a new A League licence.
(Oddly, it still has not been publicly announced who the financial backers of the new Western United club are).

. Chinese Soft Power ambitions, to further their interests, in other countries; & the concerns/ opprobrium this might attract in the target countries- which might have negative impacts on the A League.

Last night, former PM M.Turnbull made an important speech in London on the military "threat" of China posed by claiming & creating artificial reef islands (illegally, according to all International Courts), & building military bases on them; & cyber security/hacking/theft of intellectual property.

Turnbull said Australia was "...defending our own sovereignty...on national security grounds"; & that Australia was the first country in the world to ban Chinese companies Huawei & ZTE from having an involvement in our 5G network (Other countries have, also, since done this).

Chinese Soft Power risks are a bipartisan political issue in Australia, & are likely to increase.
The FFA & A League model is to seek extensive private funding for all its A League clubs, who are to be 100% privately owned.
If this funding derives from mainland China (and/or despotic, brutal Middle Eastern oil potentates), is the FFA risking a public backlash?

https://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/address-to-the-henry-jackson-society-london
Corrupt Russian oligarchs pouring money into their EPL clubs didn't seem to cause a backlash. Indeed, fans seemed to relish the clubs having money on tap.

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In my post #1564, I outlined:-

. mainland Chinese (all "private" companies & organisations are, ultimately, totally controlled by the Chinese Communist Party) full or partial ownership in some A League clubs, & the failed Chinese-financed Southern Sydney bid for a new A League licence.
(Oddly, it still has not been publicly announced who the financial backers of the new Western United club are).

. Chinese Soft Power ambitions, to further their interests, in other countries; & the concerns/ opprobrium this might attract in the target countries- which might have negative impacts on the A League.

Last night, former PM M.Turnbull made an important speech in London on the military "threat" of China posed by claiming & creating artificial reef islands (illegally, according to all International Courts), & building military bases on them; & cyber security/hacking/theft of intellectual property.

Turnbull said Australia was "...defending our own sovereignty...on national security grounds"; & that Australia was the first country in the world to ban Chinese companies Huawei & ZTE from having an involvement in our 5G network (Other countries have, also, since done this).

Chinese Soft Power risks are a bipartisan political issue in Australia, & are likely to increase.
The FFA & A League model is to seek extensive private funding for all its A League clubs, who are to be 100% privately owned.
If this funding derives from mainland China (and/or despotic, brutal Middle Eastern oil potentates), is the FFA risking a public backlash?

https://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/media/address-to-the-henry-jackson-society-london
The risk is more around financial sustainability. With a salary cap of ~$3M the franchises are for the most part losing $millions and the league is going backwards at a rate of knots

When looking at sports with franchises instead of (member-based) clubs, you need to factor that their losses can be used to offset the owners tax burden so as a rule of thumb, Australian taxpayers are contributing ~30 per cent of those A-League franchise losses.....Also, it seems that many of the bidders for A-League licences are property developers.

I the franchises get hold of full control over the A-League, which seems possible, they will be able to offset these losses through having more control of the revenues. On the other hand they will also take full ownership of one very unhinged supporter group that currently reserves most of its anger and frustration at the FFA

As it is about 60% of A-League ownership is foreign.
 

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Opening a closed topic but thought this would address my issues regarding sports funding perfectly. Interesting to read on the facebook page of this announcement that basketball people are complaining about a lack of money for their sport. Indeed a quote from the former premier of Tasmania, David Bartlett* on said facebook page says
Looks like the peak body of soccer have been doing their job... shame about basketball.
*It should be noted that David has a significant beef with Basketball Tasmania.

This announcement is on top of funding for 2 soccer club grounds at KGV and Darcy St in Hobart by Wilkie. Good work by Football Tas imo(and Wilkie)
 

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I'm guessing there was no sport on to speak of last night but it certainly seems unusual coming out of summer when the cricket is on every day that not one sport's program was in the top 20 fox shows last night...the cut off was only 28K!


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could it not be argued that Port is the beneficiary of this Chinese expression of soft power? (albeit, via sponsorship, which is probably more palatable than outright ownership)
 
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Was there a public backlash when a Saudi prince was rumoured to be interesting in Man Utd? I say yes, but it was the same as when the Glazers took over them. I personally despise payday lenders and was unhappy when Wonga(a payday lender in England) sponsored Newcastle United. Sport and "dirty" money is an issue but where do you draw the line.[Military & economic threats] Emirates airline is owned wholly by the UAE but I don't see many people unhappy with their sponsorship of an awful lot of things.[People dont follow/cheer for Airlines]
There is a difference between "unpleasant" sponsors & "unpleasant" Owners of sporting Clubs.

There is also a difference between "unpleasant" Russian corrupt oligarchs/ Middle Eastern brutal, mediaeval dictatorships... and the Chinese Communist Party.

The CCP:-
. is in control of the world's biggest land army; & a very large navy & Air Force, which is now projecting its power into the North & South Pacific
. has an international nuclear arsenal/missiles/atomic & hydrogen bombs
. has the world's 2nd biggest economy (some say it will be the biggest in the next 20 years).
. is seeking close ties with South Pacific island states, & PNG (which is causing bipartisan political consternation in Australia)
. has been responsible for the deaths /starvation of many millions of its own citizens
. is claiming exclusive navigation and "fly-over" rights to vast areas of the Pacific (all its claims have been refuted in International Tribunals).
. has invaded Vietnam in 1978; was the main supporter of the murderous (500,000-1,500,000?) Pol Pot Cambodian regime; & the main supporter of brutal Nth Korea.
. if it enforces militarily the "exclusion zones", this would be to the great economic detriment of Australian trading ships, & Australian commercial aviation/tourism (much longer & more expensive routes).

Thus, China is a potential military threat to Australia.
Late in 2018, one of its naval vessels almost rammed-deliberately- a US navy vessel in international waters (near one of its man-made reef islands), which China claims as its exclusion zone. If similar actions cause actual military hostilities, I believe there will be a significant backlash against China in Australia & the West/other Asian countries. There will be opprobrium for Chinese owned/controlled soccer Clubs, & the A League.
 
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There is a difference between "unpleasant" sponsors & "unpleasant" Owners of sporting Clubs.

There is also a difference between "unpleasant" Russian corrupt oligarchs/ Middle Eastern despotic, brutal dictatorships and the Chinese Communist Party.

The CCP:-
. is in control of the world's biggest land army; & a very large navy & Air Force, which is now projecting its power into the North & South Pacific
. has an international nuclear arsenal/missiles/atomic & hydrogen bombs
. has the world's 2nd biggest economy (some say it will be the biggest in the next 20 years).
. is seeking close ties with South Pacific island states, & PNG (which is causing bipartisan political consternation in Australia)
. has been responsible for the deaths /starvation of many millions of its own citizens
. is claiming exclusive navigation and "fly-over" rights to vast areas of the Pacific (all its claims have been refuted in International Tribunals).
. has invaded Vietnam in 1978; was the main supporter of the murderous (500,000-1,500,000?) Pol Pot Cambodian regime; & the main supporter of brutal Nth Korea.
. if it enforces militarily the "exclusion zones", this would be to the great detriment of Australian trading ships, & Australian commercial aviation/tourism.

Thus, China is a potential military threat to Australia.
Late in 2018, one of its naval vessels almost rammed-deliberately- a US navy vessel in international waters (near one of its man-made reef islands), which China claims as its exclusion zone. IMO, if similar actions actually cause military hostilities, I believe there will be a significant backlash against China in Australia & the West/other Asian countries- & there will be opprobrium for Chinese owned/controlled soccer Clubs, & the A League
Australia - fearing China since 1870. What risk could a Chinese owned club be to Australia?

you mean the 13.8% of Chinese ownership in A-league clubs, of which, only 1 has a majority(Newcastle Jets). Also, soccer fans go for their club, not their owners. Owners are just there to leech money off. They don't cheer on their owners.*

I do like how you underplay sponsorship. When a club has a sponsor, they are endorsing that brand and promoting it to a wide audience. Are you comfortable that Port are promoting China? Should this "backlash" not hit them as well.....Yes, Port can drop China quickly while Newcastle are stuck but I know which club has promoted China a lot more in the last 2 years.

* You could make a case they do for the clubs very closely linked to the company, such as Red Bull Leipzig, sorry RB Leipzig.

As it is about 60% of A-League ownership is foreign.
or around 50% of ownership in the A-league is locally owned.
 

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There is a difference between "unpleasant" sponsors & "unpleasant" Owners of sporting Clubs.

There is also a difference between "unpleasant" Russian corrupt oligarchs/ Middle Eastern brutal, mediaeval dictatorships... and the Chinese Communist Party.

The CCP:-
. is in control of the world's biggest land army; & a very large navy & Air Force, which is now projecting its power into the North & South Pacific
. has an international nuclear arsenal/missiles/atomic & hydrogen bombs
. has the world's 2nd biggest economy (some say it will be the biggest in the next 20 years).
. is seeking close ties with South Pacific island states, & PNG (which is causing bipartisan political consternation in Australia)
. has been responsible for the deaths /starvation of many millions of its own citizens
. is claiming exclusive navigation and "fly-over" rights to vast areas of the Pacific (all its claims have been refuted in International Tribunals).
. has invaded Vietnam in 1978; was the main supporter of the murderous (500,000-1,500,000?) Pol Pot Cambodian regime; & the main supporter of brutal Nth Korea.
. if it enforces militarily the "exclusion zones", this would be to the great economic detriment of Australian trading ships, & Australian commercial aviation/tourism (much longer & more expensive routes).

Thus, China is a potential military threat to Australia.
Late in 2018, one of its naval vessels almost rammed-deliberately- a US navy vessel in international waters (near one of its man-made reef islands), which China claims as its exclusion zone. If similar actions cause actual military hostilities, I believe there will be a significant backlash against China in Australia & the West/other Asian countries. There will be opprobrium for Chinese owned/controlled soccer Clubs, & the A League.
Trouble is Mate, China already have massive investments in Australia and will own Australia in the next 50 years and wont have to invade us to do it!

If China pulled the plug on our minerals exports today we would be broke in a year and begging for mercy.

China is the worlds rising power if we like it or not and you either work with them or get left out in the cold.
 

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Trouble is Mate, China already have massive investments in Australia and will own Australia in the next 50 years and wont have to invade us to do it!

If China pulled the plug on our minerals exports today we would be broke in a year and begging for mercy.

China is the worlds rising power if we like it or not and you either work with them or get left out in the cold.
People said the same about Japan 15 years ago.

Also, Chinese investment in Australia is dwarfed by a number of other countries.

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USA and UK are streets ahead and Canadian Pension funds have found a liking for Oz infrastructure assets the last decade or so. But they don't have sloped eyes, so its ok.
Settle down with the race baiting. Those countries are our traditional allies, whereas China obviously isn't. If it was Russia in place of China there would be the same scepticism.

I do agree that it's a bit overboard though.
 
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Settle down with the race baiting. Those countries are our traditional allies, whereas China obviously isn't. If it was Russia in place of China there would be the same scepticism.

I do agree that it's a bit overboard though.
China was our ally for over 100 years up until 1949. People forget that. The yanks and poms had treaties and free trade agreements with them, and as colonies, pre 1901 we were supposed to adhere to the mother countries treaties and agreements.

The slopes comment was because that's what most people think. They are different, so in their eyes its not acceptable foreign investment, yet yanks and poms owing majority or 100% of some industries is acceptable and they are completely oblivious to it.
 

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I see the NRL match last night rated 5% higher than any H/A game last season. Great start for them and probably goes to show how little “off field scandals” actually affect a sports popularity amongst its fans.
 

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I see the NRL match last night rated 5% higher than any H/A game last season. Great start for them and probably goes to show how little “off field scandals” actually affect a sports popularity amongst its fans.
Yeah pretty good foxtel numbers particularly. It got about the same as last year's opener on FTA in Sydney and Brisbane. Almost 1.2M including regional which is about what a good Friday night gets for the AFL

Only disappointing numbers for them is 48K in Melbourne. I would have thought pretty disappointing for a prime time Storm opener given the lack of AFL
 

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no mention of the Cronulla Sharks windfall:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...l/news-story/784b8bc2fbe3ab645e05078b56c71519

The Cronulla Sharks have ensured their long-term NRL future after the club secured an incredible $40 million deal to fast-track property development cash.
The Daily Telegraph revealed the mammoth agreement, set to be announced shortly, which will see the club paid an immediate $9 million to address all their debts, their salary cap fine and an anticipated $3 million loss in 2019.

.... Later this year developers Capital Bluestone will also contribute $18 million into a future investments fund which should hand the club an estimated $1.5 million in income per year.
 

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Good result at the Aus Grand Prix, crowds up:
Organisers of the Australian Grand Prix have announced an estimated attendance of 324,000 across the event’s four days.


It marked the highest attendance at the event since 2005 (359,000), and a 10 percent increase over the 295,000 strong figure from last year.


“I am absolutely happy,” Australian Grand Prix Corporation CEO Andrew Westacott told Speedcafe.com.


“The estimated crowd last year was 295,000 and this year it came out at 324,000, so to be up (10 percent) year on year is sensational.


“To go from 95,000 to 102,000 on race day it was sensational.”
https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/03/17/australian-gp-attracts-biggest-four-day-crowd-since-2005/
 

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How did the NBL finals rate/crowds?
Talking to myself but thats not unusual, good lift in crowds:
The NBL confirmed today that the grand final series had been the highest-attended in competition’s 40-year history with 45,971 fans watching the four games. It broke last year’s record of 44,260 in five games.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/perth-...hails-ninth-title-as-best-ever-ng-b881138454z

Good man that Jack Bendat, lets hope he gets to see another:
Mr Bendat, who initially spent $8 million of his personal fortune to revive the Wildcats in 2006, has committed to bankrolling the Wildcats for “two to three years” in the event of his sudden passing. He said today’s victory may have been the last championship he would see.
 

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Good result at the Aus Grand Prix, crowds up:
Organisers of the Australian Grand Prix have announced an estimated attendance of 324,000 across the event’s four days.


It marked the highest attendance at the event since 2005 (359,000), and a 10 percent increase over the 295,000 strong figure from last year.


“I am absolutely happy,” Australian Grand Prix Corporation CEO Andrew Westacott told Speedcafe.com.


“The estimated crowd last year was 295,000 and this year it came out at 324,000, so to be up (10 percent) year on year is sensational.


“To go from 95,000 to 102,000 on race day it was sensational.”
https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/03/17/australian-gp-attracts-biggest-four-day-crowd-since-2005/
Yes you could see the crowds had improved on TV and didnt Melbourne look a picture on a magnificent day weather wise?
 

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Hasmt the F1 previously clashed with the AFL on weekends. I think having clean air and Daniel helped them a lot. Looked like a successful weekend for them. It is probably best that the F1 and the AFL keep out of each other ways.

As for the NBL, we didnt hear about it much down here on this island. Just bits and parts, which is a shame. I am assuming the people in Perth really got behind the final series though and United are big enough to sell out a large stadium. Just getting across mainstream national news will always be a challenge.
 
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