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This link details the potential, huge negative ramifications for GR RU participant nos. ( & professional RU) in Australia if RA continues with its decision to sack I. Folau.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rugb...ddm3IwGQ9IxNdZxlRaoBxuvA062Th0UV_xDA7s9VzYAdA

MSM online polls (which have attracted a huge response) are showing c. 80% support for the view that RA should not sack Folau.

It has been reported that RA offered I. Folau, just prior to the RA Code Of Conduct Hearing, $1,000,000 to withdraw his protest at being sacked; & to no longer seek to play for the Wallabies, or Waratahs. He declined their offer.

Some MSM reports are suggesting RA could be bankrupted if it loses its case in the Code Of Conduct Hearing, & then a court appeal (with cost awarded against it).
It appears there may not have been a clause in Folau's most recent contract with RA which specifically forbade him from making anti-homosexual comments.

Qantas is an activist company, & campaigned strongly for gay marriage.
What obligations, if any, do players have to refrain from mentioning, publicly, comments that are not aligned with the public values of a major corporate sponsor of their particular code; the players' national controlling body and/or own Club?

A Sydney University Employment Law expert says, such are the complexities of the Folau case (involving, amongst other things, long established entrenched rights on freedom of speech, freedom of religion, not to be discriminated against due to one's religion etc.), the Folau case could drag on for months, or years.

"It's the most divisive issue in Australian sport"- & unlikely to be settled soon. RA & GR RU are imperilled.
Lessons for other sporting organisations?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...ys-employment-law-expert-20190503-p51jsf.html
 
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37 point quarter time margin, two of the smallest clubs in the league, head to head with another (much closer) game featuring two Melbourne teams, in a timeslot that is very poor for TV in the first place, on the secondary fox channel, with a game between the Canberra based NRL team and one of the West Sydney based NRL teams coming on at half time (or thereabouts).

Don't think it's the biggest concern tbh. Obviously not great numbers for that game, but the other game had decent enough fox figures for the timeslot and this one had pretty much everything going against it ratings wise as far as an AFL game can.
 

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This link details the potential, huge negative ramifications for GR RU participant nos. ( & professional RU) in Australia if RA continues with its decision to sack I. Folau.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rugb...ddm3IwGQ9IxNdZxlRaoBxuvA062Th0UV_xDA7s9VzYAdA

MSM online polls (which have attracted a huge response) are showing c. 80% support for the view that RA should not sack Folau.

It has been reported that RA offered I. Folau, just prior to the RA Code Of Conduct Hearing, $1,000,000 to withdraw his protest at being sacked; & to no longer seek to play for the Wallabies, or Waratahs. He declined their offer.

Some MSM reports are suggesting RA could be bankrupted if it loses its case in the Code Of Conduct Hearing, & then a court appeal (with cost awarded against it).
It appears there may not have been a clause in Folau's most recent contract with RA which specifically forbade him from making anti-homosexual comments.

Qantas is an activist company, & campaigned strongly for gay marriage.
What obligations, if any, do players have to refrain from mentioning comments that are not aligned with a major corporate sponsor's values of their particular code and/or Club?
Sadly for the code, it is running in the PC world not following the law of the land. Ms Castles handling of the first incident appears not to have seen any change to Folaus contract, given both parties would have needed to agree.

Digressing I'm amused that fornicators & drunks have not been equally offended :cool: .....
 

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Sadly for the code, it is running in the PC world not following the law of the land. Ms Castles handling of the first incident appears not to have seen any change to Folaus contract, given both parties would have needed to agree.

Digressing I'm amused that fornicators & drunks have not been equally offended :cool: .....
Most employee contracts have a social media part. Mine does and I would be fired on the spot if it was me writing what he did.

Drunks and fortification is a choice. Gay is not.
I do wonder why druggos get a free pass on his list though.

Besides which, as a drunk, I'm going to hell but for completely different reasons than alcohol.

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Most employee contracts have a social media part. Mine does and I would be fired on the spot if it was me writing what he did.

Drunks and fortification is a choice. Gay is not.
I do wonder why druggos get a free pass on his list though.

Besides which, as a drunk, I'm going to hell but for completely different reasons than alcohol.

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Yeah but someone as high profile as Israel has alot more levrage in contract negotiations then your average joe who has to sign a code of coduct and thats all there is to it.
 

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Most employee contracts have a social media part. Mine does and I would be fired on the spot if it was me writing what he did.

Drunks and fortification is a choice. Gay is not.
I do wonder why druggos get a free pass on his list though.

Besides which, as a drunk, I'm going to hell but for completely different reasons than alcohol.

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Some would say addiction is not a choice.
 

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Yeah but someone as high profile as Israel has alot more levrage in contract negotiations then your average joe who has to sign a code of coduct and thats all there is to it.
Possible. They also get paid much more than your avg Joe to cover that high profile.

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Most employee contracts have a social media part. Mine does and I would be fired on the spot if it was me writing what he did.

Drunks and fortification is a choice. Gay is not.
I do wonder why druggos get a free pass on his list though.

Besides which, as a drunk, I'm going to hell but for completely different reasons than alcohol.

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Share your love of a drink, dont remember ever getting drunk, although have woken up feeling the worse for wear, put it down to someone spiking the last ale.
Hell, I dont believe so I'm not too sure why I need to worry.
 

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Share your love of a drink, dont remember ever getting drunk, although have woken up feeling the worse for wear, put it down to someone spiking the last ale.
Hell, I dont believe so I'm not too sure why I need to worry.
I don't either, so I don't worry.

But to a young Christian kid who loves rugby/sport and also is gay.... they may not want to be looked up to but as a sports star they are.

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I don't either, so I don't worry.

But to a young Christian kid who loves rugby/sport and also is gay.... they may not want to be looked up to but as a sports star they are.

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Understand but is it really different to kids wearing the #18 when Duck was outed as a fornicator ...
 
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Incredibly, that AFL game in Canberra got nearly double the attendance of an NRL game in Sydney.
Having seen the highlights this morning a seriously doubt if that was the correct crowd figure and i see quite a few empty seats and i strongly suspect that loads as freebies were given out to schools and local community groups and nothing wrong with that of course, but to think there were 12,000 paying people there is asinine.
The 50,000 TV viewing figure wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the TV companies an will be a factor in the next TV deal
 

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Having seen the highlights this morning a seriously doubt if that was the correct crowd figure and i see quite a few empty seats and i strongly suspect that loads as freebies were given out to schools and local community groups and nothing wrong with that of course, but to think there were 12,000 paying people there is asinine.
The 50,000 TV viewing figure wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the TV companies an will be a factor in the next TV deal
Lol you really are struggling.

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No I'm not struggling at all. Sometimes the truth and facts hurt and its appears its hurting you.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee.
You aren't using facts though. Making it up as you go along so fits your narrative.

50k poor? yep. But nowhere near as bad as A-League finals or Super Rugby and only 20k less than the Eagles game.

Crowd? Well 12k is a good one and i accept it more than your "guess"

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Having seen the highlights this morning a seriously doubt if that was the correct crowd figure and i see quite a few empty seats and i strongly suspect that loads as freebies were given out to schools and local community groups and nothing wrong with that of course, but to think there were 12,000 paying people there is asinine.
The 50,000 TV viewing figure wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the TV companies an will be a factor in the next TV deal
This statement must be a joke? Why on Earth would 1 single TV rating, going head to head with another game, out of a total of 207 games per year, or 1,242 games over the contract period, be a defining factor?

Not to mention this is a foxtel game. Direct ratings would be largely unimportant in the foxtel rights negotiations, as the revenue driver is subscriptions not advertisements.

That is to say, for example, weekly total foxtel ratings over 9 games of 450k (50k per game) would be more valuable to foxtel than weekly fox ratings of 2m (250k per game over 8 games) if the 50k viewers for each game in the first example were unique and the 250k viewers per game in the second example were the same viewers for each game.

Saying one instance of 50k viewers, without any other information, will be a factor in the next TV deal, is hilarious honestly.
 
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How sad that some people can't cope with reality.
Facts are facts. Truth is truth. Reality is reality.
We certainly have a few princess's that's for sure.
Enjoy the day snowflakes. I'm off out now
 

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How sad that some people can't cope with reality.
Facts are facts. Truth is truth. Reality is reality.
We certainly have a few princess's that's for sure.
Enjoy the day snowflakes. I'm off out now
The fact remains that an AFL game in Canberra got nearly double the attendance of an NRL game in Sydney.
 

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The NRL crowd at the SCG was another 13,000 shocker for two Sydney teams.

Looks like the SCG is to NRL what Marvel Stadium is to AFL = the fans just dont want to go there in big numbers.
 
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How sad that some people can't cope with reality.
Facts are facts. Truth is truth. Reality is reality.
We certainly have a few princess's that's for sure.
Enjoy the day snowflakes. I'm off out now
Unbiased discourse is valuable.

Statements like "I doubt crowd figure x" (note: the crowd figure is the fact, your doubt is an opinion), "The 50,000 TV viewing figure wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the TV companies an will be a factor in the next TV deal" (50k is the fact, everything else is your opinion), are not unbiased, factual or useful in any way.

When people provide relevant points against your (largely opinionated) arguments, you resort to personal insults and then run.
 
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