Play Nice 2018 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

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Anyone else here follow Empty seats galore on twitter? Predominantly about American sports (occasionally the A-League gets a mention), but they expose the seemingly American tendency for teams to announce crowds based on tickets sold, not actual attendees.

For instance:


There wouldn't be more than 2000 people in the stadium.

or this:


The capacity of Wrigley field is 41,000.

AFAIK no team in this country reports on tickets sold, but jeez it'd be funny if they did.
 

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The nrl are announcing seperate attendances for individual games for this weekends round, all played at the one venue.

To me this is problematic due to apparently ticketing being such that one ticket gets you in for all games being played that day. Seems like alot of people we be counted twice in the annouced crowd figures.
 

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The nrl are announcing seperate attendances for individual games for this weekends round, all played at the one venue.

To me this is problematic due to apparently ticketing being such that one ticket gets you in for all games being played that day. Seems like alot of people we be counted twice in the annouced crowd figures.
That’s dodgy as all hell. You can’t trust that figure at all if that’s the case. The same person sitting in the same seat throughout the day gets counted twice or even three times.
 

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That’s dodgy as all hell. You can’t trust that figure at all if that’s the case. The same person sitting in the same seat throughout the day gets counted twice or even three times.
Thinking about this more, if they are going to continue with this method of announcing seperate game attendance figures even though one ticket buys you access to multiple games, they could have an aggregate of about 250000 - 300000 for this round. The nrl's all time round record is about 200000, so its an anomoly that no one will believe.
 

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Thinking about this more, if they are going to continue with this method of announcing seperate game attendance figures even though one ticket buys you access to multiple games, they could have an aggregate of about 250000 - 300000 for this round. The nrl's all time round record is about 200000, so its an anomoly that no one will believe.
No wonder they are a laughing stock when it comes to crowd numbers with some clubs admitting to lying about crowd numbers in the past.
Pulling a stunt like this to inflate their crowds will only make them look worse.
If 45.000 turn up on the day thats the total paying attendance unless they clear the stadium between matches and charge for each match they cant be counted 2 or three times. Any fool can work this out
 

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The nrl are announcing seperate attendances for individual games for this weekends round, all played at the one venue.

To me this is problematic due to apparently ticketing being such that one ticket gets you in for all games being played that day. Seems like alot of people we be counted twice in the annouced crowd figures.
That's a feature, not a bug. Precisely why they do it.
 

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The nrl are announcing seperate attendances for individual games for this weekends round, all played at the one venue.

To me this is problematic due to apparently ticketing being such that one ticket gets you in for all games being played that day. Seems like alot of people we be counted twice in the annouced crowd figures.
problematic? its out and out ********.
 

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The way they are reporting the crowds is dodgy as all hell.

No League fan can ever question the truth of AFL or A-league attendances again.

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The way they are reporting the crowds is dodgy as all hell.

No League fan can ever question the truth of AFL or A-league attendances again.

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Yeah, It would be like the AFL saying that because there was a curtain raiser the instead of 70,000 being at the G there was 140,000 because there is two matches on!
 
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Anyone else here follow Empty seats galore on twitter? Predominantly about American sports (occasionally the A-League gets a mention), but they expose the seemingly American tendency for teams to announce crowds based on tickets sold, not actual attendees.

For instance:


There wouldn't be more than 2000 people in the stadium.

or this:


The capacity of Wrigley field is 41,000.

AFAIK no team in this country reports on tickets sold, but jeez it'd be funny if they did.
When I spent a year in North America 30 years ago, I was told that in MLB, the National League counts tickets sold, and the American League counted turnstile clicks. But this good long Forbes article from 2011 suggests that both now count tickets sold, and that other leagues now count tickets sold and do interesting things to get sell ous, especially NFL teams that if they don't sell out a game then it's blacked out off local TV. They talk about a Buffalo Bills sponsor buying 7,000 to 8,000 tickets for the last home game to ensure a game wasn't blacked out of local TV. See
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sports...s-attendance-figures-speak-lies/#1ff32402b2ab


If the US tickets sold system was used in Oz, then the minimum crowd at the MCG would be 45,000 as the AFL sell out their 23,000 members reserve and the MCC sell out their 22,000 members reserve. You would think that Collingwood, Richmond and Hawthorn would sell at least 30,000 season tickets for the MCG given their membership numbers, so that takes their minimum game attendances to 75,000.
 

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That’s dodgy as all hell. You can’t trust that figure at all if that’s the case. The same person sitting in the same seat throughout the day gets counted twice or even three times.
I think the issue is the person sitting in a seat for 1 game gets counted for all 3.

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I think we all get a bit caught up in attendance numbers and the reality of them. I sorta talking to both this thread and the AFL crowds one, where people are again questioning attendance figures. I think some people think that each stadium does thing the same or there is some kind of regulation for this. I very much doubt this. I reckon each administrator does thing slightly differently. Perhaps the downturn of GC numbers is that they have changed management and hence starting counting less "people.", perhaps it is the same. (i have only mentioned a potential downturn because a GC member thought it was 11-12K. I do not imply it is the case) The fact of the matter is, there is no real evidence either way.

The sport's administrators probably look at other figures to judge growth or success, not just these attendance figures. I found this convo interesting when it happened between the CEO of Cricket Tas and a cricket statistician, especially the "We account for the crowds a little differently to the past administration" part......



As for the NRL magic round, technically, what they are doing is "right". that is, the "attendance" for that each match 1-2-3 is what it was, assuming ticket scans and exits. Now, I agree with the stat hungry and non-misleading reasons that it is a bit dodgy for a bunch of reasons to say 100K attended those 3 matches. But it is their figures, their media releases and their numbers. If people are dumb enough to not question it, that is their doing. It doesn't mean their counting of crowds is "wrong" elsewhere though.
 
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AFR Max Mason 13.5.19

"Foxtel is looking to cut costs amid pressure on profits...Newscorp said there was an opportunity to 'reduce spend on non-marquee sporting content', but did not define which sports that related to".

The signs are ominous for sports such as soccer & RU- it is probable there will be a significant reduction in their next Foxtel broadcast $ Rights.

https://www.afr.com/business/media-...t-sport-and-programming-costs-20190513-p51mp2


SMH 13.5.19 C. Kreuger

Foxtel lost $417,000,000 in calendar 2018- excluding a $120,000,000 tax benefit.

"Media industry sources believe Rights to Super Rugby and Wallaby Tests, which expire in 2020, and soccer's A league competition, could be among the sports' affected by Foxtel's move to rein in spending".

https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...e-sports-after-417m-loss-20190513-p51msx.html
 
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