Play Nice 2019 Non AFL Admin, Crowds, Ratings, Participation etc thread

NoobPie

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Looks like the gloss has come of the big shiny new Parramatta stadium already with only 9000 last night for two NRL Sydney teams. Looks like "the build it and they will come theory" isnt working!

Completely without any basis in evidence that a shiny new stadium in the same proximate spot as the old one has any substantial sustained impact on attendance
 

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Fair dinkum, where did Adelaide Oval move to/from?

Just the same old knockers, knocking, furious & spurious 👎

Adelaide oval was built in the same spot on the edge of the city which is no where near football park where the AFL teams played previously

This is like shelling peas
 
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Adelaide oval was built in the same spot on the edge of the city which is no where near football park where the AFL teams played previously

This is like shelling peas

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No expectation that the furious &/or spurious would understand, it worked a treat for cricket.
 
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This: non-afl-admin-crowds-ratings-participation-etc-thread

No expectation that the furious &/or spurious would understand, it worked a treat for cricket.
no shock they are full of fanboi crap

How about Geelong or the MCG after the southern stand upgrade.

Or heaps of examples overseas. Wembley Stadium for example. and it is not just average attendance. It is corporate income and other revenue sources.

But lets call the money on Parramatta stadium a waste after 1 bad game.
 

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no shock they are full of fanboi crap

How about Geelong or the MCG after the southern stand upgrade.

Or heaps of examples overseas. Wembley Stadium for example. and it is not just average attendance. It is corporate income and other revenue sources.

But lets call the money on Parramatta stadium a waste after 1 bad game.

Which precisely nobody has done....
 
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An independent A-league what does this mean for football in Australia? good or bad? thoughts?

We also have and open thread on the Football Australia board on the issue, feel free to share your opinion on their too if you like.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...st-1st-2019-good-or-bad-for-the-game.1221836/
 

An independent A-league what does this mean for football in Australia? good or bad? thoughts?

We also have and open thread on the Football Australia board on the issue, feel free to share your opinion on their too if you like.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...st-1st-2019-good-or-bad-for-the-game.1221836/
If they get a Larry Kestleman type running it, it is a very good move. If they get another David Gallop type, then it's a pointless move.
 

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The minute they bring in relegation and one of the a-league clubs drops to the second division is the second the comp implodes. Imagine Melbourne City running around playing in Morwell etc. Victory would start war before they drop down - especially if South melb come up - victory would have no supporters overnight
 

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An independent A-league what does this mean for football in Australia? good or bad? thoughts?

We also have and open thread on the Football Australia board on the issue, feel free to share your opinion on their too if you like.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...st-1st-2019-good-or-bad-for-the-game.1221836/

On the basis of probabilities I'd say it is fantastic news for football in Australia to the extent soccer poses any significant strategic threat

Most likely will set soccer on a path to turmoil. Some chance it will stabalise it I guess but I would have thought that is the less likely option based on history
 
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59,721 @ Perth Stadium for SoO last night.
Now hold the record crowd at the venue

Could be a similar situation to Docklands stadium were Rugby League, Union and soccer all hold higher crowds than the best AFL game.

Not sure that really means much but it's something to note.

Religion holds the record at both the G & Docklands IF thats worth anything.
 
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Admin at Soccer & Rugby in the news (the Aus no links):

FFA apparatchik Heather Reid found chasing dirt on Matildas coach back in 2014, Ms Reid in denial.

RA chair Cameron Clyne acknowledging the role of Qantas in the decision to fire Folau.

Lets hope the Goodes issue does not cause similar problems for the administration of the AFL.
 
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An independent A-league what does this mean for football in Australia? good or bad? thoughts?

We also have and open thread on the Football Australia board on the issue, feel free to share your opinion on their too if you like.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...st-1st-2019-good-or-bad-for-the-game.1221836/

Is this new news?
 
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The minute they bring in relegation and one of the a-league clubs drops to the second division is the second the comp implodes. Imagine Melbourne City running around playing in Morwell etc. Victory would start war before they drop down - especially if South melb come up - victory would have no supporters overnight

Zero chance of relegation ever coming in, and I reckon it puts any prospects of automatic promotion on the backburner as well. Why would they admit clubs for free when they can sell licences and split the proceeds?

History (at least in Australian sport) shows that if you give clubs power, they vote for themselves. Which is fully understandable, but it's not necessarily going to be the best thing for the league or game.
As a recent example, look at what happened to the Western Force. Basically ganged up on by NSW and Queensland and sacrificed for their benefit. The game of rugby in WA was just collateral damage and of no importance to other states. In an A-League context the clubs that need to be worried are the small market teams that don't bring a lot to the table that the large clubs can benefit from.
 
Zero chance of relegation ever coming in, and I reckon it puts any prospects of automatic promotion on the backburner as well. Why would they admit clubs for free when they can sell licences and split the proceeds?

History (at least in Australian sport) shows that if you give clubs power, they vote for themselves. Which is fully understandable, but it's not necessarily going to be the best thing for the league or game.
As a recent example, look at what happened to the Western Force. Basically ganged up on by NSW and Queensland and sacrificed for their benefit. The game of rugby in WA was just collateral damage and of no importance to other states. In an A-League context the clubs that need to be worried are the small market teams that don't bring a lot to the table that the large clubs can benefit from.
Yep soccer in Oz will follow the MLS model not the EPL model, even when there is 50m people in the country. Expansion via licence sales rather than free promotion and relegation will be the future.
 

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Is the potential for real profit only sale of talent?
When there are leagues with as much cash as the European leagues, yes. However, will the A league clubs see any of it? A player can just quit his A league club, fly to Europe, and get signed by a European club, without the A league club getting a cent. Overseas leagues would have to agree to pay a transfer fee, as the A league has no means to require it. Not sure why they would.

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When there are leagues with as much cash as the European leagues, yes. However, will the A league clubs see any of it? A player can just quit his A league club, fly to Europe, and get signed by a European club, without the A league club getting a cent. Overseas leagues would have to agree to pay a transfer fee, as the A league has no means to require it. Not sure why they would.

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I have no understanding of how transfers occur, I'd have thought its under a FIFA arrangement & include the A-League.

Victory was valued at $40m last year

Thats a lot of upside for anything associated with the A-League.
 

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I have no understanding of how transfers occur, I'd have thought its under a FIFA arrangement & include the A-League.

Victory was valued at $40m last year

Thats a lot of upside for anything associated with the A-League.
Its actually worse than that. Mooy at Melbourne City was signed by City group, they loaned him to Huddersfield (he never actually played for Manchester city), Huddersfield then signed him permanently, for 8 million pounds.

How much of that finds its way back to the A league? $0.00 If this trend continues, then the A league is a feeder league for comps like the Premier league. If European clubs sign Australian players, through subsidiaries, like City, or directly, then any transfer fees in Europe go to them. Nobody is paying 8 million pound to an A league club for a player, as there is no agreement between the comps re transfers. The really talented kids arent going to play for an A league team at all, they will go straight to England as juniors ( eg Kewell, who never played senior Soccer in Australia until after his Premier league career).

The A league, to the Premier league, is something like a NEAFL reserves comp to the AFL in terms of footy. This is why it will always struggle to make serious money, can you imagine the NEAFL reserves making serious money, regardless of how well its run? The bigger kids will always cut their lunch.
 
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