Prediction 2018 Rising Star

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Snake_Baker said:
Would you support the Rising Star being awarded on a games basis for under 24 year olds?

< 30 games and < 24?

it would have a lot more credibility then.
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I think i mentioned this year that i would, because it felt wrong that Oliver didn't win it. I would also up the game limit to no more than 40 including the year they are eligible. It means you dont get 2 full years to have a crack at it, but some development before you are ruled ineligible.

But thats just me.
 

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Wild Bill said:
Will be interesting if they line up on each other. They look like they don't mind the agro.
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I can't see Ben having too many issues if he stays away from wrestling contests.
 
Jesslc said:
Did you just completely ignore the lie you made up about Daniher kicking more goals than Hogan in their second years? Do you not look up stats before claiming them?

Pretty much all your facts so far have been false.

The reason they are on AFL lists a year prior is because they were the best players from their pool (picked based on that fact).

So... it's not suprising that 2 of them won rising star awards (best in their pool). That doesn't contribute to your original argument thatkey position players dont win rising star awards. You are just stating random facts (most of which arent true) and then completely ignoring the ones you are called out on.

I bet if I fact checked those remaining stats, they'd likely be proven to be false aswell.
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Jesslc said:
This guy literally doesn't follow football. Hes stating random facts based on stats that arent accurate and then doesnt respond to being called out on them.
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Angry little vegemite, aren't you

1) My original post compared season 2 of Riewoldt and Daniher. Not Hogan. You misreading doesn't make me a liar.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186967

2) As for my argument KP Players don't win Rising Stars.
a) i said forwards rarely win them. Here's the link to save you scrolling half way up this page
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186562
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186967
I listed Riewoldt. Forgot Hogan. Turns out Riewoldt barely played forward when he won it. Gave you Kosi and it turns out he played defence that year. So 1.5/25 rising star winners are forwards.....you are welcome to fact check it if you like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Rising_Star
That's 6% of winners.
b) Using the above wiki page, if you check the top 3 in each year the votes are available (from when Wilson won), i counted 8 forwards who landed in the top 3. Scale that back to 6.5 with Riewoldt playing all over the place and Kosi playing defence. 6.5/63 spots.
A little over 10% of places are forwards.

3) All you've offered in rebuttal to my point is "Do i even football" and calling me a liar. Care to put up anything that supports a counter argument that the Rising Star is rarely won by a forward?
 
Wild Bill said:
Will be interesting if they line up on each other. They look like they don't mind the agro.
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Ben training as a defender?
Because i imagine the Blues will start McKay as a forward and probably leave him there
Kruezer, Lobbe, the GWS guy they kept + De Koning. They don't really need him as a ruck.

It would be fun to get one of their parents out there to be umpire if they did line up on each other.
 
citizen-erased said:
Angry little vegemite, aren't you

1) My original post compared season 2 of Riewoldt and Daniher. Not Hogan. You misreading doesn't make me a liar.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186967

2) As for my argument KP Players don't win Rising Stars.
a) i said forwards rarely win them. Here's the link to save you scrolling half way up this page
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186562
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186967
I listed Riewoldt. Forgot Hogan. Turns out Riewoldt barely played forward when he won it. Gave you Kosi and it turns out he played defence that year. So 1.5/25 rising star winners are forwards.....you are welcome to fact check it if you like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Rising_Star
That's 6% of winners.
b) Using the above wiki page, if you check the top 3 in each year the votes are available (from when Wilson won), i counted 8 forwards who landed in the top 3. Scale that back to 6.5 with Riewoldt playing all over the place and Kosi playing defence. 6.5/63 spots.
A little over 10% of places are forwards.

3) All you've offered in rebuttal to my point is "Do i even football" and calling me a liar. Care to put up anything that supports a counter argument that the Rising Star is rarely won by a forward?
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Supported all my arguments with facts.

Not wikipedia and bigfooty. They don't hold up.
 
Jesslc said:
Supported all my arguments with facts.

Not wikipedia and bigfooty. They don't hold up.
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you didn't make an argument.

you misread my posts (KP instead of forwards), called me out on things i didn't claim (Daniher kicked more than Riewoldt, not Hogan), and haven't put forward a single "fact" that would support the Rising Star is a forwards award (3/25 winners), or at the very least an even contest with midfielders and defenders.
 
citizen-erased said:
you didn't make an argument.

you misread my posts (KP instead of forwards), called me out on things i didn't claim (Daniher kicked more than Riewoldt, not Hogan), and haven't put forward a single "fact" that would support the Rising Star is a forwards award (3/25 winners), or at the very least an even contest with midfielders and defenders.
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Send me through the comment when I said the Rising Star is a forwards award. Then we'll talk. until then, goodbye.
 
Jesslc said:
Send me through the comment when I said the Rising Star is a forwards award. Then we'll talk. until then, goodbye.
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https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186955
i say it isn't a forwards award
you throw me hogan winning, and curnow and burton coming 2nd and 4th, and ask if i know how to football.

What was your point?

i could well ask you to provide me the comment where i said Daniher kicked more than Hogan in his second season that you went to town on.
 
citizen-erased said:
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186955
i say it isn't a forwards award
you throw me hogan winning, and curnow and burton coming 2nd and 4th, and ask if i know how to football.

What was your point?

i could well ask you to provide me the comment where i said Daniher kicked more than Hogan in his second season that you went to town on.
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Ill show you the comment where you said its a midfield/running defender award.

"I think the nature of the Rising Star lends itself to being a midfielder/running defender award."

Have a good one.
 
citizen-erased said:
Angry little vegemite, aren't you

1) My original post compared season 2 of Riewoldt and Daniher. Not Hogan. You misreading doesn't make me a liar.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186967

2) As for my argument KP Players don't win Rising Stars.
a) i said forwards rarely win them. Here's the link to save you scrolling half way up this page
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186562
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186967
I listed Riewoldt. Forgot Hogan. Turns out Riewoldt barely played forward when he won it. Gave you Kosi and it turns out he played defence that year. So 1.5/25 rising star winners are forwards.....you are welcome to fact check it if you like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Rising_Star
That's 6% of winners.
b) Using the above wiki page, if you check the top 3 in each year the votes are available (from when Wilson won), i counted 8 forwards who landed in the top 3. Scale that back to 6.5 with Riewoldt playing all over the place and Kosi playing defence. 6.5/63 spots.
A little over 10% of places are forwards.

3) All you've offered in rebuttal to my point is "Do i even football" and calling me a liar. Care to put up anything that supports a counter argument that the Rising Star is rarely won by a forward?
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Riewoldt most definitely did play forward in his second year, he had over 40 shots at goals.
 

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Jesslc said:
Ill show you the comment where you said its a midfield/running defender award.

"I think the nature of the Rising Star lends itself to being a midfielder/running defender award."

Have a good one.
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I think it lends itself to being a midfielder/running defender award. Most of the talls take 2-3 years to develop. Makes it tough for them to win it.
 
Rayner has put any doubts over his fitness and workrate to bed. He'll do the flashy things as well which will get peoples attention. Should be right up there with Witherden.
 
jackess said:
Rayner has put any doubts over his fitness and workrate to bed. He'll do the flashy things as well which will get peoples attention. Should be right up there with Witherden.
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I think Witherden will be a step above Rayner this year. Yes, Rayner will do the flashy things, like you said but Witherden seems like a real solid player. Reliable at the top level. Rayner will be reliable in the contests he meets but not as reliable for the year as a whole.

When you talk about talented young players, you have to judge them on their consistency. Witherden will be consistent, I think.
 
citizen-erased said:
Angry little vegemite, aren't you

1) My original post compared season 2 of Riewoldt and Daniher. Not Hogan. You misreading doesn't make me a liar.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186967

2) As for my argument KP Players don't win Rising Stars.
a) i said forwards rarely win them. Here's the link to save you scrolling half way up this page
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186562
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2018-rising-star.1178599/page-18#post-54186967
I listed Riewoldt. Forgot Hogan. Turns out Riewoldt barely played forward when he won it. Gave you Kosi and it turns out he played defence that year. So 1.5/25 rising star winners are forwards.....you are welcome to fact check it if you like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_Rising_Star
That's 6% of winners.
b) Using the above wiki page, if you check the top 3 in each year the votes are available (from when Wilson won), i counted 8 forwards who landed in the top 3. Scale that back to 6.5 with Riewoldt playing all over the place and Kosi playing defence. 6.5/63 spots.
A little over 10% of places are forwards.

3) All you've offered in rebuttal to my point is "Do i even football" and calling me a liar. Care to put up anything that supports a counter argument that the Rising Star is rarely won by a forward?
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There are a lot more mid or small sized players than KF's, so you would expect more to be in there anyway. Not sure exactly what % would be about right though
 
Jack Petrucelle could be a chance if the Eagles decide to give him a shot early in the season
 
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