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You’re assigning too much responsibility to Oliver for Melbourne’s overall performance.

He’s been one of a many factors why Melbourne are having a good season - he isn’t THE reason.
He’s a massive, massive reason we are sitting where we are. And you cant apply one rule for Cripps and another for Oliver.

It’s not just his individual assets or ability win the ball in close, it’s his ability and willingness to distribute the ball quickly to advantage that is spreading amongst his teammates, which opens up the congestion and helps us spread. Our ball movement this season owes a lot to what Oliver is doing in and around stoppages.
 

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I don't think it is though.
The win-loss records of the sides are irrelevant. You have done nothing to demonstrate otherwise.

Carlton are travelling THAT bad that I just reckon Cripps will do well to make the side.
These statements are unconnected. That's why your argument is fundamentally irrational.

Q: Who has been better out of Oliver and Cripps?

You: Can't say. But Melbourne have won more games. So Oliver.

That makes no sense.

I think he should but it'll be huge. He's good in a reeeeally bad side but he's not GAJ at GC good.
Also irrelevant.

I have Oliver ahead but there are stats in which Cripps is leading him. I just think that side by side they are very very close statistically and maybe its my red and blue coloured glasses but with two such identical players, I'm taking the mid having the impact in a side who's won 7 games this year as oppsoed to the side who's won 1.
Another irrational statement. The win-loss records of the team are irrelevant.

I reckon we're going around in circles here mate so let's agree to disagree on this
I agree that you are repeating the same irrational statement and pretending that's a real argument.
 
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He’s a massive, massive reason we are sitting where we are. And you cant apply one rule for Cripps and another for Oliver.

It’s not just his individual assets or ability win the ball in close, it’s his ability and willingness to distribute the ball quickly to advantage that is spreading amongst his teammates, which opens up the congestion and helps us spread. Our ball movement this season owes a lot to what Oliver is doing in and around stoppages.
That’s true - definitely a factor

There’s no dissonance in what I’m saying though. He’s been good, like Hogan, McDonald, Lever, Gawn etc
 

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The win-loss records of the sides are irrelevant. You have done nothing to demonstrate otherwise.

These statements are unconnected. That's why your argument is fundamentally irrational.

Also irrelevant.

Another irrational statement. The win-loss records of the team are irrelevant.

I agree that you are repeating the same irrational statement and pretending that's a real argument.
Who made you the be all and end all dickhead?
Disagree but opinions are not wrong so gagf. They are not irrational arguments, you just disagree with them
Do not dispel everything and offer nothing in return.
You've yet to produce one valid piece of information so again, I have Oliver ahead of Cripps and if you don't like it then stiff sh*t.
You're a sh*t stirrer with nothing better to do.

Edit: I see you also declined to let it go following my comment that we should agree to disagree. A true ballbag
 

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Who made you the be all and end all dickhead?
Disagree but opinions are not wrong so gagf. They are not irrational arguments, you just disagree with them
Do not dispel everything and offer nothing in return.
You've yet to produce one valid piece of information so again, I have Oliver ahead of Cripps and if you don't like it then stiff sh*t.
You're a sh*t stirrer with nothing better to do.

Edit: I see you also declined to let it go following my comment that we should agree to disagree. A true ballbag
Oliver is in the better team. Cripps is the better player...it's really not close.

I'd rather have the better team - why are you so upset?
 

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Who made you the be all and end all dickhead?
No one. But a basic education and a functioning brain has allowed me to identify irrational, nonsensical statements. You've made several.

Q: Who has been better out of Oliver and Cripps?

You: Can't say. But Melbourne have won more games. So Oliver.

That makes no sense.

Disagree but opinions are not wrong so gagf. They are not irrational arguments, you just disagree with them
No. They're irrational.

To justify Oliver over Cripps, you are citing win-loss records, pretending that makes the case when it doesn't. That is irrational.

You are claiming an irrelevant fact supports your argument when it doesn't.

You've yet to produce one valid piece of information so again, I have Oliver ahead of Cripps and if you don't like it then stiff sh*t.
That's fine. But it's got nothing to do with win-loss records.

Edit: I see you also declined to let it go following my comment that we should agree to disagree.
Yeah. So what? Did you think your comment somehow obligated me to not reply?

That's not how it works, Sandy.
 

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No one. But a basic education and a functioning brain has allowed me to identify irrational, nonsensical statements. You've made several.

Q: Who has been better out of Oliver and Cripps?

You: Can't say. But Melbourne have won more games. So Oliver.

That makes no sense.

No. They're irrational.

To justify Oliver over Cripps, you are citing win-loss records, pretending that makes the case when it doesn't. That is irrational.

You are claiming an irrelevant fact supports your argument when it doesn't.

That's fine. But it's got nothing to do with win-loss records.

Yeah. So what? Did you think your comment somehow obligated me to not reply?

That's not how it works, Sandy.
Oliver
 

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Oliver is in the better team. Cripps is the better player...it's really not close.

I'd rather have the better team - why are you so upset?
It's better than close mate. Go and compare their stats and yes, Oliver having an impact in a winning side makes a difference. Contrary to what that other goose thinks
 

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No one. But a basic education and a functioning brain has allowed me to identify irrational, nonsensical statements. You've made several.

Q: Who has been better out of Oliver and Cripps?

You: Can't say. But Melbourne have won more games. So Oliver.

That makes no sense.

No. They're irrational.

To justify Oliver over Cripps, you are citing win-loss records, pretending that makes the case when it doesn't. That is irrational.

You are claiming an irrelevant fact supports your argument when it doesn't.

That's fine. But it's got nothing to do with win-loss records.

Yeah. So what? Did you think your comment somehow obligated me to not reply?

That's not how it works, Sandy.
You're irrational
 

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Who made you the be all and end all dickhead?
Disagree but opinions are not wrong so gagf. They are not irrational arguments, you just disagree with them
Do not dispel everything and offer nothing in return.
You've yet to produce one valid piece of information so again, I have Oliver ahead of Cripps and if you don't like it then stiff sh*t.
You're a sh*t stirrer with nothing better to do.

Edit: I see you also declined to let it go following my comment that we should agree to disagree. A true ballbag
I just clicked on "Show ignored content" and saw who you were arguing with. haha

If one makes a comment that could even slightly have a hole in it, this gherkin tries to drag said poster into a week long saga. There's no letting up.

Imagine if you had them in your daily life ? Twenty years in prison or the Bolte Bridge ?
 
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Who says they're impossible to split? Make the case one way or the other instead of using something that is irrelevant as the tiebreaker.

WC have won more games so Naitanui must be having more impact.

What other possible explanation is there for WC winning more games?
Melbourne haven’t won a game without Gawn this year, how’d the eagles travel in the game without NicNat?
 

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Melbourne haven’t won a game without Gawn this year, how’d the eagles travel in the game without NicNat?
We won because we're awesome. What's your point?

WC have won two more games so that automatically proves Naitanui has had more impact than Gawn.

Are you saying that magic rule doesn't apply?
 

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Or you could choose not to cling to irrational arguments. That would resolve it immediately.
Early in the year what you and I were arguing about was the merits of Carlton playing so many Friday night games.

Halfway through the year I sit very comfortably with my position, while yours is in tatters. It's been a disaster.

Talk about making an irrational argument. ;)

Back to ignore. Good boy...
 

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Early in the year what you and I were arguing about was the merits of Carlton playing so many Friday night games.
I have no specific memory of you. Clearly the reverse is not true and you were left feeling bruised by the encounter. For that I am sorry.

Halfway through the year I sit very comfortably with my position, while yours is in tatters. It's been a disaster.
Actually, my argument was that Melbourne fans have short memories if they're now complaining about another side being unwatchable.

Back to ignore. Good boy...
Yeah because that's exactly what people do when they're confident in the strength of their arguments. Back in your burrow, champion.
 
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