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Not necessarily. But if the goals rankings are relatively even, which they are, then what's wrong with looking at other things?

What made Carey such a great when for much of his career, he had Longmire kicking more goals? Other facets of his game. So I don't really see what's wrong with having a look at how each player stacks up in those areas.
Do I really have to say it a 3rd time? Looking at the stats is fine, never said I had a problem with that.
Thought I made it pretty clear Im only talking about the shit rankings.

So why do you keep replying acting like I'm just talking about looking at stats? Seriously just read my comments next time.
 

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Yeh hes not a runaway leader. Not missing a game is the only reason it looks like that. Which is also the same reason Rewioldt won the coleman but didnt make AA.
Have a look at averages.

Kennedy 3.09.
McDonald 3.08.
Brown 3.06
Franklin 3.0
Cameron 2.9
Darling 2.83*
Hawkins 2.7
Reiwoldt 2.56*
Bruest/Hogan 2.4.
*taking out game where they are injured at the start

With 5 games left that can change further out of favor for Brown.
Even looking at total goals, he has a 10 goal lead on 2nd place but 5 players 10-11 behind him. 5 games left any of of those can easily bridge that gap.
So yeh not a runaway leader.
Yep. So the only way to accurately assess what is likely to happen in the final 6 games, is by using those averages you posted, which ends up as:

Kennedy 53
McDonald 55
Brown 70
Franklin 60
Cameron 53
Darling 51
Hawkins 58
Riewoldt 56
Breust 55
Hogan 55

Why on earth would averages over 18 rounds suddenly change dramatically in all the other key forwards’ favour aside from Brown’s? He’s just as capable of kicking bags and even extending his lead.

Also, if you’re removing games for certain reasons, take the round 1 hurricane game out and Brown’s average goes up to 3.25.
 

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Yep. So the only way to accurately assess what is likely to happen in the final 6 games, is by using those averages you posted, which ends up as:

Kennedy 53
McDonald 55
Brown 70
Franklin 60
Cameron 53
Darling 51
Hawkins 58
Riewoldt 56
Breust 55
Hogan 55

Why on earth would averages over 18 rounds suddenly change dramatically in all the other key forwards’ favour aside from Brown’s? He’s just as capable of kicking bags and even extending his lead.
Theres 5 games left, not 6.

"that can change" not that will change. Its an if others perform better, not they will perform better.
Brown could defiantly extend his league in this time. But theres 5 players that he has to perform better than, to extend that lead. I would say odds are theres more of a chance that at least 1 of the 5 will out perform him then he outperforms all 5.
 

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AA team for mine at the moment:

B: Blicavs, Sicily, Hurn
HB: Stewart, Laird, Whitfield
C: Gaff, Macrae, Higgins
FO: Gawn, Cripps, Mitchell
HF: Darling/Franklin (can't split), Hawkins, B. Brown
F: De Goey, Riewoldt, Breust/Coniglio (can't split)
INT: D. Smith, Fyfe, Westhoff, Oliver/Brayshaw (can't split)

Other 18 in the squad of 40 in no particular order:

Breust/Coniglio, Oliver/Brayshaw, Darling/Franklin, Beams, Grundy, T. Kelly, Caddy, J. Lloyd, Vlaustin, Sidebottom, Howe, T. McDonald, Nic Nat, C. Curnow, Yeo, Astbury, I. Smith, S. Martin

I'm sure there'll be plenty who'll disagree, and this could change drastically over the coming weeks, but this is what I've got after careful thought, viewing the season as a whole and no bias applied. Let me know what you think and who I may have missed!
 

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In 3 less games. If you think the AA selectors pick teams based of totals then I just dont know what to say.
Brown has kicked 3.1 a game, Franklin has kicked 3.0.

How is using averages disadvantaging Brown? All it does is level the player field. But instead your disadvantaging any player that missed any games. Nice one.
cool. Lets do away with the Coleman medal in the format it is then. And the brownlow while we are at it. I mean totals mean sweet **** all anyway.

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Yep, there's some short memories in here. Darling was incredible for the first half of the year, and was being talked about as not only the best forward but the best PLAYER in the comp at the time. Gotta be a lock, even if he turns in a just above-average last month before the finals.
I am obviously biased. But for me Darling is a lock.

Even the most high profile west coast hater of all time, in Garry Lyon, even said on the weekend that Darling was the best player in the comp before his injury. That is saying something.
 

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Theres 5 games left, not 6.

"that can change" not that will change. Its an if others perform better, not they will perform better.
Brown could defiantly extend his league in this time. But theres 5 players that he has to perform better than, to extend that lead. I would say odds are theres more of a chance that at least 1 of the 5 will out perform him then he outperforms all 5.
You’re preaching about averages, but then making a claim that goes against those averages.
He is averaging more goals per game than all of those on 41 (and Buddy on 42). So why is it more likely that they close the gap?
He has performed better than all of them per game this year over 17 games, so by interpolating based on averages he should actually extend his lead by a goal or two.
 
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AA team for mine at the moment:

B: Blicavs, Sicily, Hurn
HB: Stewart, Laird, Whitfield
C: Gaff, Macrae, Higgins
FO: Gawn, Cripps, Mitchell
HF: Darling/Franklin (can't split) Hawkins, B. Brown
F: De Goey, Riewoldt, Breust/Coniglio (can't split)
INT: D. Smith, Fyfe, Westhoff, Oliver/Brayshaw (can't split)

Other 18 in the squad of 40 in no particular order:

Breust/Coniglio, Oliver/Brayshaw, Darling/Franklin, Beams, Grundy, T. Kelly, Caddy, J. Lloyd, Vlaustin, Sidebottom, Howe, T. McDonald, Nic Nat, C. Curnow, Yeo, Astbury, I. Smith, S. Martin

I'm sure there'll be plenty who'll disagree, and this could change drastically over the coming weeks, but this is what I've got after careful thought, viewing the season as a whole and no bias applied. Let me know what you think and who I may have missed!
AA team for mine at the moment:

B: Blicavs, Sicily, Hurn
HB: Stewart, Laird, Whitfield
C: Gaff, Macrae, Higgins
FO: Gawn, Cripps, Mitchell
HF: Darling/Franklin (can't split), Hawkins, B. Brown
F: De Goey, Riewoldt, Breust/Coniglio (can't split)
INT: D. Smith, Fyfe, Westhoff, Oliver/Brayshaw (can't split)

Other 18 in the squad of 40 in no particular order:

Breust/Coniglio, Oliver/Brayshaw, Darling/Franklin, Beams, Grundy, T. Kelly, Caddy, J. Lloyd, Vlaustin, Sidebottom, Howe, T. McDonald, Nic Nat, C. Curnow, Yeo, Astbury, I. Smith, S. Martin

I'm sure there'll be plenty who'll disagree, and this could change drastically over the coming weeks, but this is what I've got after careful thought, viewing the season as a whole and no bias applied. Let me know what you think and who I may have missed!
I watch a lot of GWS and Whitfield is the most likely mainly due to Sicily not playing enough games. Others for the squad are Ward, Davis and Cognilio
 

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You’re preaching about averages, but then making a claim that goes against those averages.
He is averaging more goals per game than all of those on 41 (and Buddy on 42). So why is it more likely that they close the gap?
He has performed better than all of them per game this year over 17 games, so by interpolating based on averages he should actually extend his lead by a goal or two.
Probably because I'm using averages to judge past performances while youre trying to use season average to predict future performances.
Also that season averages dont show current form. E.g Hawkins is playing much better now than he was at the start of the season, so he is likely to score above his average in the next 5.

And because its a 1 v 5. I would think 1 of those 5 are more likely to out goal Brown then he is to out goal all 5.
 

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cool. Lets do away with the Coleman medal in the format it is then. And the brownlow while we are at it. I mean totals mean sweet **** all anyway.

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Dont get salty, bud. AA is not selected on totals, Coleman and Brownlow medal are.
And what is this thread about? Coleman, Brownlow are AA?
 

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So let me get this straight, among key forwards that have played at least 13 games so far this season:

Tom Hawkins is...
#1 in marks per game
#1 in marks inside 50 per game
#1 in score involvements per game
#1 in goal assists per game
#2 in tackles inside 50 per game
#2 in contested marks per game
#3 in goals per game

Ben Brown is...
#1 in goals per game (with a lead of 0.06 per game over #2)
Not top 5 in any other category

Yet somehow Brown is an unquestionable "lock", and Hawkins is a debatable "maybe"? What am I missing here?
 

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So let me get this straight, among key forwards that have played at least 13 games so far this season:

Tom Hawkins is...
#1 in marks per game
#1 in marks inside 50 per game
#1 in score involvements per game
#1 in goal assists per game
#2 in tackles inside 50 per game
#2 in contested marks per game
#3 in goals per game

Ben Brown is...
#1 in goals per game (with a lead of 0.06 per game over #2)
Not top 5 in any other category

Yet somehow Brown is an unquestionable "lock", and Hawkins is a debatable "maybe"? What am I missing here?
That the role of a FF is to kick goals, and Brown has 10 more than anyone else.

Also, someone already called you out for highlighting similar marking stats three times to try to make Hawkins look stronger. In nearly all of those stats the top ten are separated by less than one stat per game. For example, Brown is #6 for marks inside 50, but only 0.6 per game behind Hawkins. Not even one less mark inside 50 per game. The discrepancies are minor.

And just some quick fact-checking:

- Buddy is going at 8.5 score involvements per game, Cameron at 8.3, Hawkins 8.1. Why have you listed Hawkins as #1?

- You said Brown isn't top 5 in any other category. He is going at 0.8 assists per game, which puts him 4th behind Buddy and Riewoldt who are equal second (0.9). So 0.4 behind Hawkins in 1st, and 0.1 behind 2nd. Again, ridiculously minor.
 
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Is there a better way to trigger a Hawthorn fan than saying Bruest/Gunston aren't great or that Tom Mitchell is overrated?

The response you get is hilarious! Like all Hawthorn fans are sitting round a computer scouring the internet, waiting for someone to say they dont rate Mitchell.
 

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I}C Cripps Grundy Fyfe Coniglio
 
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Very good team, i think Bolton and Castagna were stiff to miss out though :rolleyes:
Swans had 5 when they finished 1st on 17 wins in 2016.
Swans had 4 when they finished 1st on 17 wins in 2014.
Geelong had 4 when they finished 2nd on 18 wins in 2013.
West Coast had 4 when they finished 5th on 15 wins in 2012.
Collingwood had 5 when they finished 1st on 20 wins in 2011.
Geelong had 6 when they finished 2nd on 17 wins in 2010.
Collingwood had 4 when they finished 1st on 17 wins in 2010.
St.Kilda had 5 when they finished 1st on 20 wins in 2009.
Geelong had 5 when they finished 2nd on 18 wins in 2009.
Geelong had 7 when they finished 1st on 21 wins in 2008.
And of course Geelong had 9 when they finished 1st on 18 wins in 2007.

Richmond on track to finish 1st on 16-18 wins.
So whats so crazy about Richmond having 5 this year?
 

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Swans had 5 when they finished 1st on 17 wins in 2016.
Swans had 4 when they finished 1st on 17 wins in 2014.
Geelong had 4 when they finished 2nd on 18 wins in 2013.
West Coast had 4 when they finished 5th on 15 wins in 2012.
Collingwood had 5 when they finished 1st on 20 wins in 2011.
Geelong had 6 when they finished 2nd on 17 wins in 2010.
Collingwood had 4 when they finished 1st on 17 wins in 2010.
St.Kilda had 5 when they finished 1st on 20 wins in 2009.
Geelong had 5 when they finished 2nd on 18 wins in 2009.
Geelong had 7 when they finished 1st on 21 wins in 2008.
And of course Geelong had 9 when they finished 1st on 18 wins in 2007.

Richmond on track to finish 1st on 16-18 wins.
So whats so crazy about Richmond having 5 this year?
First of all he has Grimes twice

But Yes teams can have that number in the AA team, but look at the people he has in and where they are. Dusty in the forward pocket, no way should he be given the forward pocket spot in the AA team based on this year.

Has Cotchin in on the field but no room for Tom Mitchell, can you honestly say Cotchin deserves that spot over Mitchell?

Don't think it's unfair to say he has maybe a little bit of bias in that team.
 
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