List Mgmt. 2018 St Kilda Trade Thread Part 2

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We absolutely need this. Right now so many players have got to C+ or or even B level and plateaued

. Billings, Bruce, Dunstan, Lonie..just to name 4 blokes who on the back of really good 1st or 2nd seasons gave us hope of a genuine star. All 4 stopped dead in the water. If Battle, Coff, Clark etc suffer a similar fate we are screwed.
Even though Billings is fourth in the League for goal assists in a team 15th for goals scored.

Billing anything but stopped.

Lonie was fantastic v GWS, Bruce has a broken leg.

Only Dunstan has no excuse or alternate opinion.

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I would take Hanners and McVeigh for peppercorn rent. Take all their contract $$, give McVeigh $50k more and tell him he is being groomed ad an assistant.

See if Hanners can get his body right and then renegotiate his contract to a view upwards.
As Hanners is injured, sort of rotate those two in 2019 so they don't take a young mids spot.

Could be this decades Dempstet and Schnieds trade from Sydney although a bit older

Trade out Dunstan or Ross, bring in Mitchell,Lenny, and Harvey as assistants.

Use our first pick on Walsh, Smith or at a stretch Rozee.

How does our mid field and assistance experience stack up next season compared to this?

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I like this. Creative and bold.

Not sure Sydney would accept little in the way of a trade pick for Hannebery, but if they did it is a no brainer.

In another thread on the trading and drafting board a Carlton supporter put up the following trade scenario for consideration:

Carlton: Trades picks 1 & 25
St Kilda: Trades 2019 1st RDP, Ross & Billings.

Now I want to make it clear that I wouldn’t do that trade, but it stops and makes you think. We end up with 2 young guns this year and gets us back into the early 2nd round this year.

On the flip side we lose the 2017 B&F winner and a precocious but unfulfilled talent in Billings. In addition our 2019 1st RDP could be an early one and it leaves us vulnerable for the 2019 draft.

But it’s bold stuff like this that maybe we should be considering.
 

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I like this. Creative and bold.

Not sure Sydney would accept little in the way of a trade pick for Hannebery, but if they did it is a no brainer.

In another thread on the trading and drafting board a Carlton supporter put up the following trade scenario for consideration:

Carlton: Trades picks 1 & 25
St Kilda: Trades 2019 1st RDP, Ross & Billings.

Now I want to make it clear that I wouldn’t do that trade, but it stops and makes you think. We end up with 2 young guns this year and gets us back into the early 2nd round this year.

On the flip side we lose the 2017 B&F winner and a precocious but unfulfilled talent in Billings. In addition our 2019 1st RDP could be an early one and it leaves us vulnerable for the 2019 draft.

But it’s bold stuff like this that maybe we should be considering.
Too unfair, we should throw in Gres as well

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I like this. Creative and bold.

Not sure Sydney would accept little in the way of a trade pick for Hannebery, but if they did it is a no brainer.

In another thread on the trading and drafting board a Carlton supporter put up the following trade scenario for consideration:

Carlton: Trades picks 1 & 25
St Kilda: Trades 2019 1st RDP, Ross & Billings.

Now I want to make it clear that I wouldn’t do that trade, but it stops and makes you think. We end up with 2 young guns this year and gets us back into the early 2nd round this year.

On the flip side we lose the 2017 B&F winner and a precocious but unfulfilled talent in Billings. In addition our 2019 1st RDP could be an early one and it leaves us vulnerable for the 2019 draft.

But it’s bold stuff like this that maybe we should be considering.
That trade is horrible on every level.
 
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I like this. Creative and bold.

Not sure Sydney would accept little in the way of a trade pick for Hannebery, but if they did it is a no brainer.

In another thread on the trading and drafting board a Carlton supporter put up the following trade scenario for consideration:

Carlton: Trades picks 1 & 25
St Kilda: Trades 2019 1st RDP, Ross & Billings.

Now I want to make it clear that I wouldn’t do that trade, but it stops and makes you think. We end up with 2 young guns this year and gets us back into the early 2nd round this year.

On the flip side we lose the 2017 B&F winner and a precocious but unfulfilled talent in Billings. In addition our 2019 1st RDP could be an early one and it leaves us vulnerable for the 2019 draft.

But it’s bold stuff like this that maybe we should be considering.
You been sippin bro? If we even consider this trade then we should burn RSEA Park to the ground and salt the earth upon which it stood!
 

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That trade is horrible on every level.
It depends on how highly rated the top picks are in this year’s draft. I’m no expert but how highly rated would pick 1 be if accompanied by pick 3/4? Especially if there is live trading going into the draft.

Again, I wouldn’t do it. Billings is a player we must keep, but there is no harm thinking outside the square.
 
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It depends on how highly rated the top picks are in this year’s draft. I’m no expert but how highly rated would pick 1 be if accompanied by pick 3/4? Especially if there is live trading going into the draft.

Again, I wouldn’t do it. Billings is a player we must keep, but there is no harm thinking outside the square.
There is thinking outside the square, and then there is suggesting trading 2 of our top 6 players who are contracted and a high draft pick for pick 1 and a 2nd rounder.
 

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There is thinking outside the square, and then there is suggesting trading 2 of our top 6 players who are contracted and a high draft pick for pick 1 and a 2nd rounder.
You clearly rate Ross more than I do. Fair enough. I was just repeating it to generate some discussion.

But what would pick 1 be worth to another club in this year’s draft? I have no idea but could another club who desperately wants the pick pay substantial overs in order to get it? Either in terms of players or picks. Especially if there is live trading.

Who knows. Others may have more knowledge than me.
 

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Probably dreaming but would love to see a couple of trades like this:

In: Beams, Pick 39 Out: 2019 1st rounder
In: Hannebery Out: 2019 3rd rounder

Would make our team look so much better and still keep pick 4 or so this year as well as getting back into 3rd round in 2018.
Severely weakens 2019 but ah well :)

I heard a guy talking about Richmond staying down for years after trying to take short cuts for years. That looks like short cuts to me and that's why we are where we are now. Been short cutting since Ross Lyon was coaching us.
 

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You clearly rate Ross more than I do. Fair enough. I was just repeating it to generate some discussion.

But what would pick 1 be worth to another club in this year’s draft? I have no idea but could another club who desperately wants the pick pay substantial overs in order to get it? Either in terms of players or picks. Especially if there is live trading.

Who knows. Others may have more knowledge than me.
Carlton would likely agree to trade pick 1 for Ross, pick 4 & change. It’s just not worth it from our end but that’s the premium clubs put on pick 1.
 
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I like this. Creative and bold.

Not sure Sydney would accept little in the way of a trade pick for Hannebery, but if they did it is a no brainer.

In another thread on the trading and drafting board a Carlton supporter put up the following trade scenario for consideration:

Carlton: Trades picks 1 & 25
St Kilda: Trades 2019 1st RDP, Ross & Billings.

Now I want to make it clear that I wouldn’t do that trade, but it stops and makes you think. We end up with 2 young guns this year and gets us back into the early 2nd round this year.

On the flip side we lose the 2017 B&F winner and a precocious but unfulfilled talent in Billings. In addition our 2019 1st RDP could be an early one and it leaves us vulnerable for the 2019 draft.

But it’s bold stuff like this that maybe we should be considering.
And next year we can sell off this years kids or any promising Half developed players to get back into the first round again. We could keep ourselves permanently entertained by trades and give up on the footy aspects of the club.
 

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You clearly rate Ross more than I do. Fair enough. I was just repeating it to generate some discussion.

But what would pick 1 be worth to another club in this year’s draft? I have no idea but could another club who desperately wants the pick pay substantial overs in order to get it? Either in terms of players or picks. Especially if there is live trading.

Who knows. Others may have more knowledge than me.
No matter the draft, pick 1 isnt worth two of your best players and a pick. Especially considering the kid you pick won't be any good without god players around to support them.

Personally, I dont think pick 1 is worth the hype. The player who goes at pick one is generally not that much better than a player who goes between 2-15.
 

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No matter the draft, pick 1 isnt worth two of your best players and a pick. Especially considering the kid you pick won't be any good without god players around to support them.

Personally, I dont think pick 1 is worth the hype. The player who goes at pick one is generally not that much better than a player who goes between 2-15.
I agree. But live trading is the interesting dynamic in this. It may be worth more than we think.
 

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I agree. But live trading is the interesting dynamic in this. It may be worth more than we think.
Pick 1 wouldn't really increase with live trading because nothing will have changed between trade week and the draft.
But say it gets to us at pick 4 and Rankine is still in the board, Adelaide could come to us desperate and offer us massive overs. Its easier to exploit with that pick than with pick 1.
 

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No matter the draft, pick 1 isnt worth two of your best players and a pick. Especially considering the kid you pick won't be any good without god players around to support them.

Personally, I dont think pick 1 is worth the hype. The player who goes at pick one is generally not that much better than a player who goes between 2-15.

Considering that Lukosius is the likely number one pick and that isn't really what we need seems to make it double stupid. Pick 5 should get a good mid and we can keep what we have. GC should take at least one tall and Carlton would be crazy not to take Luko at 1. Pick one suits Adelaide or someone just outside the good picks with some spare picks up their sleeve.
 

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Considering that Lukosius is the likely number one pick and that isn't really what we need seems to make it double stupid. Pick 5 should get a good mid and we can keep what we have. GC should take at least one tall and Carlton would be crazy not to take Luko at 1. Pick one suits Adelaide or someone just outside the good picks with some spare picks up their sleeve.
I still think GC would be crazy not to take both twins, and then a top mid would still be available for us.
 

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Even though Billings is fourth in the League for goal assists in a team 15th for goals scored.

Billing anything but stopped.

Lonie was fantastic v GWS, Bruce has a broken leg.

Only Dunstan has no excuse or alternate opinion.

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Billings hasn't come on as well as hoped, but there is absolutely no doubt his overall output is underrated by supporters. Gresh has become our superhero, and I love that, but get use to Billings being under appreciated his whole career.
 

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I heard a guy talking about Richmond staying down for years after trying to take short cuts for years. That looks like short cuts to me and that's why we are where we are now. Been short cutting since Ross Lyon was coaching us.
Richmond are good right now because they nailed elite players 8-12 years ago.

J Roo
Rance
Cotchin
Martin

Closest we’ve got to nailing an elite jet from around that same period is Stuv, but he’s nowhere near these blokes
 

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I still think GC would be crazy not to take both twins, and then a top mid would still be available for us.
You’d reckon when they actually speak to them and offer them the chance to go to a club together, that they’d absolutely jump at the chance . The two brothers together should eliminate any go home factor compared to some of the other top draft picks . It would set the club up for the next ten years with plenty of picks to trade for midfielders any time . They’d be crazy not to do it .
 
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