2018 Trade and FA thread (opposition supporters post in Trade Hypotheticals thread)

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Why don’t we wear a Bears jumper more often? Bloody “Fitzroy this” and “Fitzroy that!”
 

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A way of filling needs without parting with Pick 5.
Ins:
*Ross (in and under).. trade our 2019 first round pick
*Hill (wing) ... pick 22 & 40 to freo. Receive 2019 third rounder back.
*Sign Lloyd (small back)


Outs:
Rich to WC for pick 35.

Hoping Beams stays, hes a god!!
If our recruiters don't value the players likely to be available at pick 5, I have no problem trading it out this year for the Ross and/or Hill. Of course I'd like a little something something back, but that may not happen.

Pretty sure it was Noble who said he is not a fan of trading future picks, especially first round picks, because you never know what you are giving up.


The trade period will be interesting to me, because I'm curious to know who ends up with the top 7 picks just before the draft. Of course picks can still be traded after the trade period, but we'll have a better idea if a teams wants to draft a King in the top 4 picks by the end of the trade period.
 
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Why don’t we wear a Bears jumper more often? Bloody “Fitzroy this” and “Fitzroy that!”
I actually was talking about this the other day. I would have loved them to wear a bears jumper against GC. Would be great to just remind them who was here first. Would love them to wear it every Q Clash in particular.
 

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I actually was talking about this the other day. I would have loved them to wear a bears jumper against GC. Would be great to just remind them who was here first. Would love them to wear it every Q Clash in particular.
I thought the jumper we wore vs the Suns *was* the bears inspired jumper ... or do you mean literally a bears jumper with a koala on the front and everything?
 
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The number of disposals only count for supercoach. The value of those touches tells the story and in any case he has had some injuries this year.

In the past 4-5 years has averaged more than 20 touches a game, runs as well as anyone in the comp and averaged over 500 metres in territory last year. Every team needs a guy like him to run all day and has very good disposal.

He also won Freo's B&F last year convincingly from Neale and Fyfe so he's a pretty decent player.
I don't know how many different ways i have to say this but i'll try another time. I don't doubt that Hill has class, however I view a player like Hill as a missing piece of the puzzle, cherry on top type player.

There are stacks of quality, uncontested wingman in the AFL that we can trade for down the track that are far superior to Hill. It's not such a pressing issue that we are so desperate as to pay overs (due to his contractual status) for a player who in my eyes is a middle wrung B-grade acquisition. Why not wait until next year and get him at a fraction of the price? It's not like he will be the difference between us winning a premiership or not next year.
 

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Can we at least only trade in players that would be definite starters in our best 22 or is that unrealistic and too much to hope for/ask?
Seb Ross, Brad Hill and Mitch Wallis IMO would be certain best 22 round 1 next year.
 
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I thought the jumper we wore vs the Suns *was* the bears inspired jumper ... or do you mean literally a bears jumper with a koala on the front and everything?
I like the bears inspired jumper we did wear. Was a good compromise of the 2 jumpers and have no issue if we went with that one every time we play GC. I made my comment about the bears jumper before we came through the banner, should have made that clear.

I wouldn't go with the koala on front, maybe BFC or BLFC over one another on the front. But as I said, didn't mind the one we did wear.
 

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I don't know how many different ways i have to say this but i'll try another time. I don't doubt that Hill has class, however I view a player like Hill as a missing piece of the puzzle, cherry on top type player.

There are stacks of quality, uncontested wingman in the AFL that we can trade for down the track that are far superior to Hill. It's not such a pressing issue that we are so desperate as to pay overs (due to his contractual status) for a player who in my eyes is a middle wrung B-grade acquisition. Why not wait until next year and get him at a fraction of the price? It's not like he will be the difference between us winning a premiership or not next year.
On the assumption that he's considering us because he wants out of Freo then you'd assume if not us then it'll be someone else and he won't be available next year. .
 
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On the assumption that he's considering us because he wants out of Freo then you'd assume if not us then it'll be someone else and he won't be available next year. .
That's why I prefaced it by stating that "There are stacks of quality, uncontested wingman in the AFL that we can trade for down the track that are far superior to Hill". He is not worth paying overs for.
 

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That's why I prefaced it by stating that "There are stacks of quality, uncontested wingman in the AFL that we can trade for down the track that are far superior to Hill". He is not worth paying overs for.
Who would you class as far superior to Hill that may be a chance of coming to Brisbane?
 

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That's why I prefaced it by stating that "There are stacks of quality, uncontested wingman in the AFL that we can trade for down the track that are far superior to Hill". He is not worth paying overs for.
Ok we'll agree to disagree. Clearly you just don't rate him which is fine.
 

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I don't know how many different ways i have to say this but i'll try another time. I don't doubt that Hill has class, however I view a player like Hill as a missing piece of the puzzle, cherry on top type player.

There are stacks of quality, uncontested wingman in the AFL that we can trade for down the track that are far superior to Hill. It's not such a pressing issue that we are so desperate as to pay overs (due to his contractual status) for a player who in my eyes is a middle wrung B-grade acquisition. Why not wait until next year and get him at a fraction of the price? It's not like he will be the difference between us winning a premiership or not next year.
People don't read the thread from the most recent back so you'll have to suck it up for a little while until we move past it.

You're assuming the footy department won't seek to address multiple needs during the one trade period, they will have a number of areas they want to strengthen, It may be that Hill is getable as a reasonable price i.e. draft pick as opposed to a contested ball winning mid.

In a perfect world we get someone like Wallis (just an example) and Hill to fill multiple needs
 
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Who would you class as far superior to Hill that may be a chance of coming to Brisbane?
That's a ridiculous question, as it's impossible to tell who might want to play for the Lions in the future, and what young talent develops into that elite bracket for his position. But what I do know is if we start playing more attractive, competitive football we will increase the likelihood of those top end players wanting to join our club. And that this development will be fast-tracked quicker by addressing our inside deficiencies than it will our outside ball users.

Like I stated earlier, the amount of games I watched us lose this year due to getting beaten at the source and the ball exiting cleanly without pressure was staggering.
 

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So Tim Watson reports that Beams is going back to Melbourne. If that is the case could it be worth talking to Carlton? I know we will do the right thing and send him where he wants (if he does really want to leave, don't think he will leave). Could possibly be something like Carlton Pick 1 & 2nd Rounder (19 at this stage, more likely to be 22) Brisbane give away Beams & Pick 5. So we go up 4 spots and get Walsh who personally I think is a class above as a Mid and get a second rounder on top because Beams is an Elite Mid. Thoughts?
 

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Seb Ross, Brad Hill and Mitch Wallis IMO would be certain best 22 round 1 next year.
Just had a look and Seb Ross is top 20 in the comp across almost all the stats, shame it includes Clangers and turnovers.

Comparing Ross with Dayne Beams if we just look at stats then it might not be a bad swap considering Ross is 3 years younger. Funnily enough his disposal efficiency is still better than Beams.

At this point in their careers Ross probably has more upside to him as well.
 

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So Tim Watson reports that Beams is going back to Melbourne. If that is the case could it be worth talking to Carlton? I know we will do the right thing and send him where he wants (if he does really want to leave, don't think he will leave). Could possibly be something like Carlton Pick 1 & 2nd Rounder (19 at this stage, more likely to be 22) Brisbane give away Beams & Pick 5. So we go up 4 spots and get Walsh who personally I think is a class above as a Mid and get a second rounder on top because Beams is an Elite Mid. Thoughts?
Reports are only Collingwood are interested.
 
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People don't read the thread from the most recent back so you'll have to suck it up for a little while until we move past it.

You're assuming the footy department won't seek to address multiple needs during the one trade period, they will have a number of areas they want to strengthen, It may be that Hill is getable as a reasonable price i.e. draft pick as opposed to a contested ball winning mid.

In a perfect world we get someone like Wallis (just an example) and Hill to fill multiple needs
That's the thing, I'm not assuming that we won't address multiple list deficiencies through draft and trade, I'm just expressing my opinion that we shouldn't be touching our first round draft pick to acquire a player that I feel is a secondary need.

Again if people bothered to read my previous posts they would see that I'm not against trading for Hill (at the right price), but that this should not involve touching our first round pick.
 

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That's a ridiculous question, as it's impossible to tell who might want to play for the Lions in the future, and what young talent develops into that elite bracket for his position. But what I do know is if we start playing more attractive, competitive football we will increase the likelihood of those top end players wanting to join our club. And that this development will be fast-tracked quicker by addressing our inside deficiencies than it will our outside ball users.

Like I stated earlier, the amount of games I watched us lose this year due to getting beaten at the source and the ball exiting cleanly without pressure was staggering.
Reportedly Brad Hill may want out of the Dockers and we could be an option, I'd be going a very good player in the hand now than wait in hope of one down the track.

All good we all have varying opinions, that's what it's all about.
 

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I don't know how many different ways i have to say this but i'll try another time. I don't doubt that Hill has class, however I view a player like Hill as a missing piece of the puzzle, cherry on top type player.

There are stacks of quality, uncontested wingman in the AFL that we can trade for down the track that are far superior to Hill. It's not such a pressing issue that we are so desperate as to pay overs (due to his contractual status) for a player who in my eyes is a middle wrung B-grade acquisition. Why not wait until next year and get him at a fraction of the price? It's not like he will be the difference between us winning a premiership or not next year.
I believe a big part of the discussion is if we added the three most commonly mentioned players, Mitch Wallis, Seb Ross & Brad Hill, they would immediately help our development in multiple ways.

If we don't lose any key contributors from this season, and add those players, we would hope to climb the ladder faster, than what natural progression from just our kids would have likely seen. This is about fostering a winning culture, and pushing for finals earlier than what many might have likely seen as probable.

They would also ease the load on our developing kids, allowing the kids to develop their games without their bodies coping a beating, and possibly extending their career.

Everyone knows I'm a big draft fan, but even I can see the sense of adding mature bodies to fast track our clubs development.


But I will say, if it's just one of Ross or Hill that we end up adding by the end of the trade period, at the expense of pick 5, I'll be pretty disappointed, and would much rather keep the pick.


I've been quietly very critical of Dayne Beams game this season. For me it's not so much been the lack of defensive effort from Beams, but the pouting on field during games that has been putting me off, and while he still might rack up big possession numbers, he appears to be turning the ball over a lot more, doesn't have the clean pick up and disposal he is noted for. It's also obvious that he's copping a beating every week, an it's taking a greater toll on his body and ability to recover during games.


Also, as others have mentioned, I thought Christensen has looked very good playing in defence since Witherden went down, and am keen to see him move down back permanently as a small defender. Preferably with Rich moving out of defence.
 
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