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List Mgmt. 2018 Trade and Free Agency Discussion

Discussion in 'Melbourne Demons' started by LeverPuller, Oct 19, 2017.

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  1. Cobbler

    Cobbler Norm Smith Medallist

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    I think the frequently used ‘no player will want to go there’ is also a load of rubbish.

    If we don’t get Hogan I’d have to imagine there was more to it then purely football.
     

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  2. Bluelegs

    Bluelegs Brownlow Medallist

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    Freo offered 1.5m a year to Hogan. It's a godfather offer and Melbourne took it as an opportunity to improve the list considering Hogan's high value. Few clubs throw that kind of money around without an absolute intent to get their guy to their club.

    Melbourne know that this deal could only work if Neale departs, which looks highly likely. Just as Melbourne know that we can only get May if Hogan departs. Gold Coast obviously want pick 5 for May and that's how the stalemate was created.
     
  3. Cobbler

    Cobbler Norm Smith Medallist

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    May?
     
  4. qarocks

    qarocks Club Legend

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    Some big if's there.

    Hogan is contracted and Melb and Hogan are happy to stay. Dees have a price, and if freo dont cough up (after chasing for so many years) then bad luck to them.
    May is also contracted, and I am pretty sure other teams are into him. If Hogan stays and then Lever comes back into the side, there is no desparate "need" for May.

    also may can leave next year and GC get compo. Dees core group are under 24 so plenty of years, doesn't have to come this year.

    If Hogan stays and Neale leaves, how will that go down?
     
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    saj_21 Norm Smith Medallist

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    Kinda like you guys wooing hogan, and then trading the pick that would of satisfied our needs, that’s a cock up.

    We are in our rights to squeeze you guys, can’t have your cake and eat it too.
     
  6. Cobbler

    Cobbler Norm Smith Medallist

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    There’s big ifs everywhere.

    That all said your player manager came out saying the deal would be one of the largest. First error.

    He counted his chickens.
     
  7. Cobbler

    Cobbler Norm Smith Medallist

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    Oh I completely agree. It’s exactly what we’re doing with Neale.
     
  8. fishyyyyy

    fishyyyyy Draftee

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    As the club has said, we could only deal with May if Jesse left - not that Jesse must leave so we can get May.
     
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  9. qarocks

    qarocks Club Legend

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    Yeh it's like key power forwards are rare or something!?
     
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  10. Tulip

    Tulip Hall of Famer

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    One of the things I noticed about Melbourne's turnaround is that we stopped the bullshit crowing in the trade and draft periods and did what was best for us as a club. One of those things is looking after players who want a move, the other is accepting that individual deals are less important than the end result. Its something Hawthorn, Geelong, West Coast and Sydney have all done well over the past decade, and something perennial strugglers seem to have a hard time with.

    The truly crazy logic here from Fremantle is that Neale is worth more than Hogan. Everything else is just your incompetent admin team making the same mistakes Freo has made for the past 25 years.

    Nobody wants to think their club is performing poorly off field, its always the last guy's fault.

    Sadly, in this instance, its the new guy's fault. Bell's macho posturing with his ludicrous offer is just plain dumb. As you say - thrust into the role, not particularly qualified. He will learn, but its a shame for the Dockers that it may cost you your best chance at a quality KPF.

    Melbourne is happy to trade Hogan for unders to help him get home and help us facilitate a trade for May. They won't consider publicly announcing our offer for May as a **** up - Mahoney is pretty well known as someone with whom you can get a deal done. Melksham for overs, Hibberd for unders. Lever for overs, Kolodjashnij for unders. If a player wants to leave, we'll let them go provided the deal is useful to us. May is worth way less than Hogan, but a happy May is worth more than an unhappy Hogan - so who you gonna call? Adelaide would have won the grand final in '17 if they had offered the same deal for Gibbs that they caved on 12 months later. The ends are more important than the means.

    Fremantle's behaviour has been pretty hysterical, and you can backslap Belly and Rosich as much as you like - but will it actually lead to the kind of success that has eluded Fremantle for so many years? It seems unlikely.
     
  11. Proper Gander

    Proper Gander Owl whisperer and secret agent

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    Unmistakeable.

    Hope it is now. Can’t surely be more than one.
     
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  12. Cobbler

    Cobbler Norm Smith Medallist

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    I don’t mind Melbourne or your posters but don’t talk like Melbourne are supremely above Freo.

    We both have claims to being basket cases over the last 25 years.
     
  13. The Dr

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  14. Russian Demon

    Russian Demon Premiership Player

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    We are like two people stuck in a well. Melbourne is climbing out very slowly, but Freo is digging further in the belief that tunneling through to the other side of the earth is a quicker way out.
     
  15. Demon4123

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    Not sure if this has been mentioned, but given Hogan stays is it as simple as moving T’Mac back to the backline and having Sam W and Hogan as our forward targets. This means we do not require May. Also, I’ve hated Scully ever since he deserted us, but gee there is some upside about getting him back for his outside run. His tank is phenomenal.
     
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    Islanda22 All Australian

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    Hopefully Hogan finally realizes how much of a shambles Freo are and signs another 4 year deal
     
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    If 25 years is a relevant sample, Hawks can join in too. I think though Tulip was speaking of the now and to some extent the guessable future and on that I don’t think he said anything wildly controversial? Honestly not sure.
     
  18. Tulip

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    Yes - as I said - Melbourne's rise up the leader directly correlates to a holistic view of our list management.

    The kind that really successful clubs in the recent past have adopted.
     
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  19. Cobbler

    Cobbler Norm Smith Medallist

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    That and a stack of low draft picks and those players starting to gel.

    Don’t kid yourself buddy.

    The wheel turns for all clubs and your ‘holistic’ approach has only now seen your club play finals for the first time in a while.
     
  20. The Dr

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  21. Cobbler

    Cobbler Norm Smith Medallist

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    Maybe Melbourne are propping themselves on Freo’s shoulders bit the well is 20m deep.
     
  22. Cobbler

    Cobbler Norm Smith Medallist

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    Oh ok. See ya guys. The oracle has spoken.
     
  23. qarocks

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    There is 0% chance that tmac goes back to def. Hogan will play HB before tmac goes down there.

    Hogan cannot be played out of the goal square. he gets double/triple teamed and the ball goes out of our 50 quicker than it came in. we lost sooo many games because of this.
    You didnt notice a certain trend as soon as hogan went out of the side?

    Hogan has a huge tank and is a good field kick. He needs to be rotated through HB and HF, with tmac and Weid forward.

    If Hogan is ever played out of the goal square again, i'll ******* vomit.
     
  24. Tulip

    Tulip Hall of Famer

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    Funny how those low draft picks haven’t done a whole heap for clubs like Carlton and Freo?
     
  25. Russian Demon

    Russian Demon Premiership Player

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    LOL!

    More like we agreed to climb back down and help you start the climb
     
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