List Mgmt. 2018 Trade/Draft/FA SuperMegaUltra Thread - The Early Edition

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More keen to keep Gaff for less coin than Gov now.

Rotham I think will be similar to a Lever type after another preseason - can semi-fill the role that Gov plays now, obviously not to the same level but I reckon he has what it takes.

Just need to draft or trade in another tall lock down KPD and we are all good.

Gaff has been impressive this year and we need to keep strengthening the midfield not weakening it - even if he isn’t the big bodied bull we need.
 

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Hopefully, if this does go down to end of the season and that isn't just a smokescreen, hopefully it doesn't cost us Lycett or Gaff because we've had to wait on what we can offer them.

Personally hope both are announced very soon.
All three on the same day would be a very good day.
 
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I'd start offering 4, then 3 after the bye. Never give long big money contracts to defenders. They're easy to replace. McGovern looks good thanks to the pressure put on up the ground.

Adelaide don't miss Lever, we won't miss McGovern.
I see Dixon is likely to be playing F/F this week.

Time to make the Gov responsible for a quality KPF and see if he is actually worth as much as he thinks he is.

My money is on Dixon kicking 4-5 (hopefully wrong) and the Gov's stocks dropping a bit.

Would love to keep him, but at anything over 5 years and/or a million a year then let him go and throw the kitchen sink at Coniglio, Cripps etc.
 

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Pretty sure clubs are ready to offer him 6 year 7mill contracts for your so called WAFL player if rumours are to be believed.
You really think other clubs would retract their offer because Gov spit the dummy due to WCE's poor handling of the situation by reducing contract year from 4 to 3 simply (5 was our offer apparently) because he hasn't signed by the bye? It does Gov no harm at all.
Matter of fact, it'll do more harm to the supposed excitement amongst the playing group if it's viewed one of their own is being screwed around by club management.

I don't agree with signing him for 6 year on over a million per year. But I don't support childish nonsense from the club by reducing the number of years because we didn't have our way.
Surely that was said with tongue in cheek by Barney44?? Don't think reducing the years is the way to go, but do hope the Eagles stay firm on their last offer as no player is bigger than the Club! Why should other players have to take unders to accommodate McGovern and his greed. He either wants to stay at the Club or he doesn't, and if he doesn't let him go.
 

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Surely that was said with tongue in cheek by Barney44?? Don't think reducing the years is the way to go, but do hope the Eagles stay firm on their last offer as no player is bigger than the Club! Why should other players have to take unders to accommodate McGovern and his greed. He either wants to stay at the Club or he doesn't, and if he doesn't let him go.
Nope not tongue in cheek. Club has to plan how they spend their cap and having a player, who demands a large percentage of the cap, hold out makes it very tough to plan.

McGovern and his management have decided to have a bidding war and that's their prerogative but at some point the club has to move on. Take small a portion of his offer it to Lycett to keep him (his form has bumped up his price so will need more). Start discussuons with soon to be out of contract ex WA players.
 

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The thing with Gov is that he is so good at intercepting not only because he is good at it but because it's part of our set up. If he goes to another club and isn't in the same structure is he going to be any good? It's a big risk for another team to take. Lever doesn't look that good with Melbourne because they are making him defend more. It will be funny if a club spends over 1 mil a year for a guy that ends up as a run of the mill defender.
 

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Pretty sure clubs are ready to offer him 6 year 7mill contracts for your so called WAFL player if rumours are to be believed.
You really think other clubs would retract their offer because Gov spit the dummy due to WCE's poor handling of the situation by reducing contract year from 4 to 3 simply (5 was our offer apparently) because he hasn't signed by the bye?
Might not bother them for smaller contracts but would absolutely start alarms bells for long term contracts worth 10% of the cap. You'd want a team player, leader for that money, not someone who decides to play at a lower quality when it gets tough for him.
 

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The thing with Gov is that he is so good at intercepting not only because he is good at it but because it's part of our set up. If he goes to another club and isn't in the same structure is he going to be any good? It's a big risk for another team to take. Lever doesn't look that good with Melbourne because they are making him defend more. It will be funny if a club spends over 1 mil a year for a guy that ends up as a run of the mill defender.
Bingo
 

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The thing with Gov is that he is so good at intercepting not only because he is good at it but because it's part of our set up. If he goes to another club and isn't in the same structure is he going to be any good? It's a big risk for another team to take. Lever doesn't look that good with Melbourne because they are making him defend more. It will be funny if a club spends over 1 mil a year for a guy that ends up as a run of the mill defender.
So you counter that by making him play man on man (he isn't any good) or kick to forwards advantage - like all the teams that win GF
 

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McGovern is not just a very good player but an exceptional one. Most contested and intercept marks in the league. Those who think he can be easily replaced are deluded. Hard to say how much difference it would make in terms of games won and lost but the defence obviously wouldn't have the powerful and offensive look it has now. Barrass is a promising player but he is no McGovern. Also need to factor in Hurn is nearing the end. If Lever is worth $750,000 then McGovern is easily worth a million a season. Pay him $1.1 a season for six years and get on with it. To lose him would condemn the team to mediocrity for another 5 years. Need to stop standing on a pointless principle and cut your leg off at the same time.
 

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McGovern is not just a very good player but an exceptional one. Most contested and intercept marks in the league. Those who think he can be easily replaced are deluded. Hard to say how much difference it would make in terms of games won and lost but the defence obviously wouldn't have the powerful and offensive look it has now. Barrass is a promising player but he is no McGovern. Also need to factor in Hurn is nearing the end. If Lever is worth $750,000 then McGovern is easily worth a million a season. Pay him $1.1 a season for six years and get on with it. To lose him would condemn the team to mediocrity for another 5 years. Need to stop standing on a pointless principle and cut your leg off at the same time.
Paying too much could condemn us to mediocrity as it would hurt our cap. We are already paying Naitanui 800 a year plus whatever Shuey, Yeo and JK are getting. There's Gaff and Lycett to sign up too.
 

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McGovern is not just a very good player but an exceptional one. Most contested and intercept marks in the league. Those who think he can be easily replaced are deluded. Hard to say how much difference it would make in terms of games won and lost but the defence obviously wouldn't have the powerful and offensive look it has now. Barrass is a promising player but he is no McGovern. Also need to factor in Hurn is nearing the end. If Lever is worth $750,000 then McGovern is easily worth a million a season. Pay him $1.1 a season for six years and get on with it. To lose him would condemn the team to mediocrity for another 5 years. Need to stop standing on a pointless principle and cut your leg off at the same time.
Lever wasn’t worth $750k. That’s the thing. Intercept third talls have just become the fad of the day so their value is being inflated. Gov is a great player but who knows if that intercept role will be considered as critical in 3 years.

Also like I said previously if we start breaking even in the middle more often we will be able to make do with a less dominant intercept player like Rotham.
 

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Shuey signed for close to 900k straight after the new pay deal , Gaff probably about the same .....we are going to run out of money especially as Darling would be close to the top tier also .
 

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Paying too much could condemn us to mediocrity as it would hurt our cap. We are already paying Naitanui 800 a year plus whatever Shuey, Yeo and JK are getting. There's Gaff and Lycett to sign up too.
I don't know what the cap details are but teams like Sydney who have been successful for the last decade seem to manage to keep their best players and recruit players like Franklin and Tippet on big deals. JK doesn't look like he has too long to go, we would like to keep Lycett but he is not as critical as McGovern, Gaff is pretty important although he may be planning to go. Who knows? Naitanui is obviously very important but so is McGovern. $800,000 a year is an insult. Caps probably need to go up. We need to keep McGovern.
 

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not worth the risk offering him 1.1 a year over six years. to many things can go wrong, one player is not bigger than the club. if he wants to stay then he can accept the offer on the table if not then he can go wherever else on ridiculous money. We have Barrass who could instantly fill the void that Gov would leave if he left and other options in Brander and Rotham for that second key position slot down back. If other gun players become available in the next year or two like Cognilio, Cripps, Martin, Swallow, Duncan, Hogan we wouldn't be able to throw our hat in the ring due to salary cap issues if Gov stays. Personally one of Cripps, Cogs or Hogan would definitely more than make up for the loss of McGovern if not making us better.
 

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More keen to keep Gaff for less coin than Gov now.

Rotham I think will be similar to a Lever type after another preseason - can semi-fill the role that Gov plays now, obviously not to the same level but I reckon he has what it takes.

Just need to draft or trade in another tall lock down KPD and we are all good.

Gaff has been impressive this year and we need to keep strengthening the midfield not weakening it - even if he isn’t the big bodied bull we need.
Couldn’t agree more.

I think Gaff’s influence on games this year has been significantly greater than Gov.

I love Gov, but as free agency heads more down the path of US sports, you need to learn that successful teams, rarely win the free agency period, paying overs for big name FA only costs the team everywhere else.
 

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Shuey signed for close to 900k straight after the new pay deal , Gaff probably about the same .....we are going to run out of money especially as Darling would be close to the top tier also .
That would surprise me if true, seems the type who would have taken less to stay, around 700K.
 

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I vaguely recall from flicking through a friend's AFL prospectus in 2017 that Gov wins something like 90% of one on one contests. He's not just a third man floater, although he does that very well too.
 

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Lever wasn’t worth $750k. That’s the thing. Intercept third talls have just become the fad of the day so their value is being inflated. Gov is a great player but who knows if that intercept role will be considered as critical in 3 years.

Also like I said previously if we start breaking even in the middle more often we will be able to make do with a less dominant intercept player like Rotham.
I agree that Lever wasn't worth $750,000 but what was he worth? $650,000? We need to pay McGovern as much as we can afford and not stand on some stubborn principle. A club like Sydney will just come and undercut us with an 8 year deal or something. Do we want on field success or not? I am sorry but I can't really say anything about Rotham who is just establishing himself in EPs league team. Banking anything on him is just hope not reality.
 

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I don't know what the cap details are but teams like Sydney who have been successful for the last decade seem to manage to keep their best players and recruit players like Franklin and Tippet on big deals. JK doesn't look like he has too long to go, we would like to keep Lycett but he is not as critical as McGovern, Gaff is pretty important although he may be planning to go. Who knows? Naitanui is obviously very important but so is McGovern. $800,000 a year is an insult. Caps probably need to go up. We need to keep McGovern.
Sydney lost Mitchell and Mumford due to their cap. Possibly others too but I can't remember. It's only 12.4 million per team and Sydney had the COLA to boost things up back then don't forget.
 

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I vaguely recall from flicking through a friend's AFL prospectus in 2017 that Gov wins something like 90% of one on one contests. He's not just a third man floater, although he does that very well too.
90% of those he engages in - almost none because he isn't good at it

stats young man
 

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Someone on the Port board posted an interesting stat about Gov sucking at defending a lead. Was gung-ho to get Watts on Gov and lead him to the footy all day. In contested situations Gov is a beast and a top tier KPD.
 
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