List Mgmt. 2018 Trade & Draft Review

Are you happy with our trade and draft outcome?

  • Yes

    Votes: 72 61.0%
  • No

    Votes: 21 17.8%
  • Jack Watts

    Votes: 25 21.2%

  • Total voters
    118

Rendaw

Senior List
Joined
Oct 4, 2016
Posts
192
Likes
322
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Other Teams
LA Lakers, Anaheim Ducks, LA Rams
Thread starter #1
We were all freaking out about our trades earlier on and kept being told not to look at them in isolation. So now that the trade and draft is over let’s review our ins and outs.

Out: Wingard - In: Rozee
There is no doubting this is at least a short term loss for the team. Rozee has all the tools to be better than Wingard and should be more liked by his teammates. Time will tell but let’s face it Wingard has gone backwards since 2015 and wasn’t liked by his teammates. I'm happy to back in Rozee to be the better player in a few years.

Out: Polec - In: Butters
Losing Polec's run on the wing and kicks into 50 hurts the team and will be hard to replace. Butters looks great and adds some much needed campaigner. He will need time to develop but with mentoring from Robbie he has the scope to be a better player overall.

Out: Pittard - In: Duursma
Pittard knew he was no longer best 22 which is why he left. I think it’s safe to say we are all glad we don’t have to watch his brain fades anymore. To me Duursma looks like a wild card. He could be a massive win or a complete loss. He will need time to build his frame but I think it’s a win to replace Pittard with Duursma.

Out: Hombsch - In: Grundy
This is a loss and leaves us without KPD depth. Grundy is very raw but has the athletic ability to succeed. His marking is an asset but he needs to work on his offensive side which is currently non-existent. We did the right thing by Hombsch but this decision will hurt us if we get any injuries.

Out: Neade - In: Woodcock
Easily a win for us. Neade being off our list means Ken can’t play him as our KPF. Splinter knows how to kick goals which is exactly what we are missing in our forward line.

Out: Thomas - In: Cox
Everything I read about Thomas says he is an asset to have off the field. This will be a loss for us around the club. Picking Cox took us all by surprise so hopefully the club know what they are doing with this pick.

Out: Irra - In: Frederick
Irra wasn’t going to make it so it was time to move on. Frederick looks alright but it’s a free hit so worth a shot.

Out: Snelling - In: Pudney
I had high hopes for Snelling when we drafted him but let’s face it he was only ever going to be a good SANFL player. Pudney looks like he could be the massive accumulator that we have been missing since Kornes left. Big shoes to fill but he is a free hit so it won’t be a loss if he doesn’t make it.

Out: Barry - In: Burton
A clear win for us. If Schofield gets his way and plays Burton on the wing then we could have a star on our hands. Hopefully he is over his injury problems which would be the only thing stopping him from becoming one of our top 10 players.

Out: Toumpas - In: Mayes
Unfortunately Toumpas is a bust. He was never the same after his hip problems but was worth a shot. Mayes is an improvement but had a poor year for the Lions. Hopefully a new environment will see him flourish.

In: Lycett
A clear win for us. We needed another ruck so badly this year so it’s about time we got one. Lycett is an average ruck but held his own against Grundy and Gawn in finals which is all we can ask from him. We need to be careful as he is injury prone and only played his first full season this year. Ryder is shot and will likely retire after next season. With some luck we should have at least 1 fit ruck available each game next year which will finally enable us to retain our structure.

How did we do overall?
We removed some experience from the team which is always going to hurt. Some might say we cut out a cancer but time will tell whether we got it all or if there is still more to remove.

The players we added look great and fill our needs. We have some new experienced players in Lycett, Burton and Mayes who could all have an impact. Lycett in particular will enable us to keep our structure which is massive for the team.

Our draftees ooze potential and add some much needed excitement after our departures. Combined with our last 2 years of draftees we have a large bunch of kids ready to fight for the vacant positions which can only be a good thing. Next year looks like we’re going to see the emergence of some new best 22 players.

I think we did the best we could this through the trade and draft. But let’s face it, all the new blood in the team will mean nothing if we don’t come out next year with a better game plan.
 
Last edited:

(Log in to remove this ad.)

TheFVK

Premium Platinum
Joined
Mar 21, 2008
Posts
5,908
Likes
18,788
Location
Amsterdam
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Other Teams
Stoke City
#3
So who's in charge of the patented Port board horrible nicknames committee this year
 

Port85

Club Legend
Joined
Aug 13, 2007
Posts
1,551
Likes
517
Location
NSW
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
#6
I agree with the sentiment but I'm not sure the players above are really a like for like swap.

I don't think we're going to be dramatically worse off in 2019 after our FA, Trade and drafting but I'm not seeing anything to suggest a different outcome from the usual Hinkley era 5-10th finish. There are a lot of variables (Rockliff/Ryder injuries coming good, impact of new players in etc.) but if we get lucky and most of them turn our way, you never know!!
 

Magus

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Dec 31, 2013
Posts
11,095
Likes
25,620
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
#7
Would have liked to have seen what we gave up vs. what we got in return e.g. Out: Wingard, In: Burton, Duursma but yeah I think we came out ahead.

Btw Duursma auto corrected to "Shits me" in my phone. I hope that's not a bad omen.
 

OneGreatClub

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Nov 6, 2014
Posts
29,486
Likes
29,610
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
#8
I agree with the sentiment but I'm not sure the players above are really a like for like swap.

I don't think we're going to be dramatically worse off in 2019 after our FA, Trade and drafting but I'm not seeing anything to suggest a different outcome from the usual Hinkley era 5-10th finish. There are a lot of variables (Rockliff/Ryder injuries coming good, impact of new players in etc.) but if we get lucky and most of them turn our way, you never know!!
New line coaches?
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2014
Posts
2,083
Likes
2,351
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Other Teams
Man Utd, Celtic, Tanunda
#9
So who's in charge of the patented Port board horrible nicknames committee this year
Rozee - Kracklin
Butters - Marg
Cox - Lil Dix
Duursma - Derr
Grundy - Shoe
Woodcock - already Splinter apparently
Lycett - already Slyce
Mayes - Kim
Burton - Birdbrain/Stool pigeon........nah couldn't do that to tbe poor bloke. How about Rod?
Pudney - Puddles
Frederick - Mangu.
 

mic59

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Jul 20, 2002
Posts
18,205
Likes
10,195
Location
Alberton, the chosen land
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Other Teams
Blyth Spartans, Dallas Cowboys
#10
Would have liked to have seen what we gave up vs. what we got in return e.g. Out: Wingard, In: Burton, Duursma but yeah I think we came out ahead.

Btw Duursma auto corrected to "Shits me" in my phone. I hope that's not a bad omen.
It is for your phone.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

mic59

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Jul 20, 2002
Posts
18,205
Likes
10,195
Location
Alberton, the chosen land
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Other Teams
Blyth Spartans, Dallas Cowboys
#13
We've lost a lot in ability and backup. All things being equal no one can deny Polec and Wingard have the ability. Some of the other players we lost were backup. Neade was unfortunately on the way down and was going to be played by Hinkley so his exit was one of the best things in the trade period. Pittard still had potential to get back to his best, losing Hombsch and not replacing him with like leaves us thin in the defensive stakes. Lycett in is going to be good for us but we still need Frampton and Hayes to step up. Mayes and Burton I would put as partial replacements for Polec and Wingard, if we can get Mayes to improve as Polec did we will have won out there; but I can only see Burton as being someone who can equal Wingard's field play, I can't see him with the close-in goal sense and it is goals win games.
The draftees are class, two of them contributors in a winning SANFL finals run and trained under Josh Carr. Apart from the first two or three I'm not expecting them to have an impact in 2019 except in the SANFL. I see our major improvement coming from what we're getting back after injury(Hartlett, Dixon, Ryder), our FA after a year getting used to a new team and our new coaches. Have to work on getting Josh Carr next.

I don't see us going backwards but unlike the last few years where we missed out on finals we should have won, I see as this a year where we may still make finals but I won't feel the same disappointment I did this year if we miss.
 

1954

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Mar 1, 2014
Posts
5,728
Likes
8,041
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
#18
The potential negative first, without knowing any of the personal issues that may or may not have been behind the Wingard trade he is the one who could bite us on the arse, and rightly or wrongly my feeling is Clarko sees Port as his bunnies in any trade situations, ie we are Daryl Cullinan and he is Shane Warne, and it won't surprise me greatly if he tries to pinch SPP off us this time next year.

The trades

Lycett is a no brainer he is a workhorse type who will take a massive amount of pressure off Ryder, and if that player can get over his achilles issue he should be very valuable `resting' up forward.

Burton should be excellent value as a running half back or wingman who can get the ball quickly and accurately inside the forward 50, but his overall effectiveness will be controlled by the game plan Kern implements.

Mayes I would put at somewhere between 23 -25 on the list and I suspect him to play more games for the Maggies than he will for the Power, but he should be very handy back up if/when required.

The Draftees

Rozee could be anything, and may even start round 1, but with his currently light frame he will need to be managed well or the harder AFL bodies will eventually wear him down, particularly when the whips are cracking towards the business end of the season.

Butters I am warming to, particularly given his endorsement by Robbie Gray, but I suspect that with his smallish frame he is unlikely to build up to any more than lowish 80 kegs and he will probably need a couple of preseasons to do that.

Dursmaa has the frame to fill out considerably, particularly around the shoulders, but I suspect him to play at least a season and a half at the Maggies before being considered for AFL duty, and I agree with others who think he is the most likely of the 3 first round draftees to be either boom or bust.

Grundy is a project player, but he is already a good size and with some specialist coaching he could have some enormous upside.

Woodcock is the one who could surprise us and jump the queue to play AFL before a number of the players who were drafted before him, but his value as an opportunist small forward will be controlled by having bigger players in the forward 50 to work under and around, which will also require a major change to the current game plan.

I don't know much about the last 3 players drafted, but they all look to have some potential, particularly Pudney.
 
Last edited:

elpirate

Club Legend
Joined
Jul 11, 2010
Posts
1,711
Likes
2,704
Location
Adelaide
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
#19
The propaganda of Hombsch being a big loss for us on field is rubbish.

They guy was cooked this year and cost us games.

No loss on field whatsoever.

Depth is only depth if it can come in and perform.

Hombsch couldn't do that anymore so he becomes a list clogger.

We did the right thing by him and the club.
 

Total Power

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Aug 19, 2004
Posts
26,052
Likes
7,070
Location
Grand Finals
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Other Teams
Team Rafael Nadal
#20
Lets face it, we basically have very little in the 24-27 year old range, so we needed to reload. Paddy, Robbie, Charlie, Boaky, Westy will be gone in the next 3 years. We need to replace them with a stronger crop which feels the void. I reckon we will be right.
 

Port85

Club Legend
Joined
Aug 13, 2007
Posts
1,551
Likes
517
Location
NSW
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
#22
That's a big uncertainty as well...

How will the midfield work together next year under Schofield?

Is moving Bassett from defence to forward line going to offer much improvement? Bassett succeeded in implementing a highly structured team defence, will he be able to translate that to a forward line? He won flags with a super defensive game-plan at Norwood.

Montgomery made his name as a back-man but his recent AFL experience was as an opposition analyst, is he going to change the way we defend or simply continue to execute the current team defence?

The answers to these questions could be good, or bad but given we finished 12-10 last year with chaotic ball movement - I'm feeling optimistic we won't slide back too much, but uncertain if the new line coaches will be enough for a big jump up in performance.
 

dirty2

#BringBackTheBars
Joined
Nov 6, 2016
Posts
2,490
Likes
2,281
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
Other Teams
Arsenal
#23
After the trade/draft I'm looking at next season as a bit of a reset... (not rebuild) we will prob slip a little but I expect us to bounce back reasonable quickly.

With hopefully a better game plan 2019 onwards and getting games into our next generation of players could see us around the mark (in the not to distant future) but losing the boaks and westhoffs from the team will leave big holes to fill.
 

NoddyHolder

Premiership Player
Joined
Mar 2, 2014
Posts
3,103
Likes
10,136
Location
Tralfamadore
AFL Club
Port Adelaide
#24
The propaganda of Hombsch being a big loss for us on field is rubbish.

They guy was cooked this year and cost us games.

No loss on field whatsoever.

Depth is only depth if it can come in and perform.

Hombsch couldn't do that anymore so he becomes a list clogger.

We did the right thing by him and the club.
Harsh but fair
 
Top Bottom