List Mgmt. 2018 Trade, Free Agency & Draft thread

[King Corey]

Works in theory but it's harder for bottom/small clubs to attract star players to go to them. You don't see the best players leaving their teams to go to teams at the bottom of the ladder.

#thebiggetbigger

I don't think we've had long enough to let the FA economy settle though, plus AFL constant fiddling, compensation picks etc muddy the waters.

Here are some FA moves that would've had different ripple effects through all lists if there were equal salary caps and no compensation picks were issued:

• Swans can't fit Franklin, he goes to a then emerging GWS instead
• GWS now can't make a big money play for Griffin, Boyd trade can't be completed without dogs shredding their list (so probably don't win 2016 flag)
• Hawks poach Frawley with Franklin money but Melbourne get no top 3 compensation pick
• Brayshaw/Petracca draft pairing is split between Melbourne and another club, Melbourne midfield weakened, another midfield strengthened
• Removing 2x compensation picks moves North up 2 spots - take Lever instead of Durdin
• Geelong don't get dubious overvalued compensation for losing Motlop, therefore have to pay 'real' currency for regaining Ablett..
• ..Geelong now have to use their pick in the 20s to trade for Ablett, thereby losing out on Tim Kelly
• etc etc

I really think the system would work fine in the long term if it was a genuinely policed cap, same FA rules and no subjective compensation picks in place.

 

[Horizons_00]

So much unknown and dodgy **** deals have been done in the past, i just cant trust the AFL as much as i used too

 

[Mazda]

Brown and Lynch combo?? Have i seen that combo before? Hmmm....

 

[Groucho]

Brown and Lynch combo?? Have i seen that combo before? Hmmm....

Sure worked out well for them.

 

[archereleven]

I just hate the whole FA compensation system.

Essentially every other clubs (including the bottom clubs) get taxed to pay for Richmond or Collingwoods pickup?

It's just incredibly backward.

In tight drafts it can mean a huge amount.

You may miss out on a Judd, Martin etc if your pick is pushed out because a player moved to a top team and comparatively, their pick usually a lot higher has lower consequences than a top 5 pick moving out 1 spot.


There has to be some sort of payment coming from the recruiting team imo. A points value which is deducted from their overall pick pool etc.

Needs to be end of round compo like in the NFL.. it's pretty simple stuff and would make GC match and therefore put the ball in lolmonds court to satisfy them trade wise...

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[archereleven]

Have said all along just scrap compo.

Richmond (in theory if they actually paid the wages themselves) overload their cap poaching a star, GC now have big space to pull in players looking for more opportunity and $$ from the top clubs. It balances up.

#worksineveryother****ingsport

But there is compo in the NFL lol but it's nothing like the cluster**** the afl are rocking...


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[RobZombie]

I just hate the whole FA compensation system.

Essentially every other clubs (including the bottom clubs) get taxed to pay for Richmond or Collingwoods pickup?

It's just incredibly backward.

In tight drafts it can mean a huge amount.

You may miss out on a Judd, Martin etc if your pick is pushed out because a player moved to a top team and comparatively, their pick usually a lot higher has lower consequences than a top 5 pick moving out 1 spot.


There has to be some sort of payment coming from the recruiting team imo. A points value which is deducted from their overall pick pool etc.

I tend to agree. Recruiting club paying in points rather than picks seems fairer, but the end result is still that top teams lose something of less value than lower teams if their first rounder is knocked out, so they still have greater incentives to get high end FAs.

I wonder if cutting it off at top 8/bottom 10 makes sense. Finals teams pay with a 1st round pick, non finalists with a 2nd for band 1, and so on down the pecking order. And then cap compo picks at the same level so at least the top 10 are protected. Still gives the top teams an advantage over 7th/8th but taxes the other teams less and it’s in a spot where the relative disadvantage of bumping a pick out is less.

 

[archereleven]

So much unknown and dodgy **** deals have been done in the past, i just cant trust the AFL at all

Fyp

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[GreatBradScott]

Balmey must be doing somersaults to fit all these campaigners under the cap

I don't see how it's legal

Houli and Grigg out and Lynch in

It does not add up

I said this a couple weeks back - watch this space, fair few exits at Tigerland. Especially if they win the flag.

 

[remfan101]

Just reading through fox footy's list of all uncontracted players, there's a few names that interest me in terms of cheap young midfield depth with some upside:

Jayden Laverde - quick, athletic half-fwd/mid who is suited for modern footy at 191cm/90kg. Had 22 touches and 10 marks earlier this year but has been inconsistent and struggled with injury since, but he has talent and could be worth a look for a 4th or 5th rounder.

Kieran Lovell- Was a gun junior and drafted by Hawthorn in the early 20s but despite looking the goods early has struggled with injury and seems to be on the outer at Hawthorn. Finds the footy in his sleep and is a smart, tough footballer with a nice kick, could potentially rookie list him or pick him up as a DFA. Is still only 21 and has upside.

Joe Atley- we've been linked to him and I've always liked his game, is tough as nails and can find the footy plus (despite not being as quick as his brother) he has that explosiveness out of traffic that the best inside mids have. Is a decent kick, has some sice at 188cm/88kg and is still only 19.

Oleg Markov- has serious X-factor and pace, but can't break into Richmond's side. He's 22 and might not be good enough, but he fills a serious void in our list as an explosive half-back, and I reckon if used in the right role he could be an asset. Could get him for a Marley-esque pick.

Corey Ellis- 21 year old first round pick (12, 2014), another who is right on the fringes of the best team in the comp. Can play midfield/ half-back, finds the footy and is a great kick. Could do worse on the cheap, he was a gun junior who's showed some signs.

Connor Menadue- is also out of contract at the Tuggers, has serious pace and isn't far off (playing AFL this weekend) but consistency has held him back. Fills a need for us as an explosive outside mid/half-back; and is also only 21.

Luke Partington- liked him in his draft year, and has averaged 25 touches a game at WAFL level this year. He's a great athlete as an inside mid-quick and good endurance, but hasn't been getting a chance. He might not be good enough but is 21 and has some attributes we need.

Some of these guys won't make it, but we've been pretty great and finding value and all of the above have attributes we need, play a position inn which we lack depth, are 22 or under and would be gettable with pick 60+ or even as a DFA/rookie.

 

[Friday Night Lights]

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster here.

Just wanted to hear some thoughts on the potential for us to make a play for Gold Coast’s Lynch compo pick should they get one.

Seems they’re probably at the point of putting a priority on picking up players who are likely to stick around and we have a certain big, talented Queenslander floating around. Not to mention a few others from up that way.

Perhaps we see this as an opportunity to move up with a package of our first, Preuss (who I’m loathe to trade but you gotta give up something of value) and whatever else might be required to get it over the line (It might take a lot more, I don’t know).

Gives us a shot at an uber talent like Rankine etc and saves us the worry of a bid coming before Thomas.

 

[King Corey]

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster here.

Just wanted to hear some thoughts on the potential for us to make a play for Gold Coast’s Lynch compo pick should they get one.

Seems they’re probably at the point of putting a priority on picking up players who are likely to stick around and we have a certain big, talented Queenslander floating around. Not to mention a few others from up that way.

Perhaps we see this as an opportunity to move up with a package of our first, Preuss (who I’m loathe to trade but you gotta give up something of value) and whatever else might be required to get it over the line (It might take a lot more, I don’t know).

Gives us a shot at an uber talent like Rankine etc and saves us the worry of a bid coming before Thomas.

Agree has to be looked at. I love Preuss - but a combination of a pick in the 10-12 vicinity plus Preuss to move into the top 3 would clearly turn our head.

 

[Shermanator]

Just reading through fox footy's list of all uncontracted players, there's a few names that interest me in terms of cheap young midfield depth with some upside:

Oleg Markov- has serious X-factor and pace, but can't break into Richmond's side. He's 22 and might not be good enough, but he fills a serious void in our list as an explosive half-back, and I reckon if used in the right role he could be an asset. Could get him for a Marley-esque pick.

This guy looked a freak when he played his first couple of games, i thought the Tuggers had found one here. What's his go - injured or just can't break the 22??

 

[Shermanator]

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster here.

Just wanted to hear some thoughts on the potential for us to make a play for Gold Coast’s Lynch compo pick should they get one.

Seems they’re probably at the point of putting a priority on picking up players who are likely to stick around and we have a certain big, talented Queenslander floating around. Not to mention a few others from up that way.

Perhaps we see this as an opportunity to move up with a package of our first, Preuss (who I’m loathe to trade but you gotta give up something of value) and whatever else might be required to get it over the line (It might take a lot more, I don’t know).

Gives us a shot at an uber talent like Rankine etc and saves us the worry of a bid coming before Thomas.

Very astute 1st post.

 

[Passmore]

IF we get Gaff this year then I really don't care if we're forced to take TT with our first pick because we're getting Jelly next year.

Gaff, TT and Jelly in consecutive years is pretty special and LDU will basically be a new recruit next year too.

Might take a season for them to all 'click' but when it all comes together our midfield will be scary!

References to Kelly as Jelly should result in immediate banishment the St Fiddler board.


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[Shermanator]

References to Kelly as Jelly should result in immediate banishment the St Fiddler board.


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No way Pmore!

 

[blisk]

Just reading through fox footy's list of all uncontracted players, there's a few names that interest me in terms of cheap young midfield depth with some upside:

Jayden Laverde - quick, athletic half-fwd/mid who is suited for modern footy at 191cm/90kg. Had 22 touches and 10 marks earlier this year but has been inconsistent and struggled with injury since, but he has talent and could be worth a look for a 4th or 5th rounder.

Laverde is the one, wouldn't cost more than a late 3rd rounder. If he can get his body right he has the ability to give us some class going inside 50.

 

[Clarke is King]

Laverde is the one, wouldn't cost more than a late 3rd rounder. If he can get his body right he has the ability to give us some class going inside 50.

My brother supports * (don't ask why - I can't explain it) and he loves Laverde. Reckons he has all the makings of a modern day mid/forward. Would be happy to get him.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

This guy looked a freak when he played his first couple of games, i thought the Tuggers had found one here. What's his go - injured or just can't break the 22??

We were rumored to be into him (Markov) in his draft year (his 2nd year he nominated).

 

[king rising]

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster here.

Just wanted to hear some thoughts on the potential for us to make a play for Gold Coast’s Lynch compo pick should they get one.

Seems they’re probably at the point of putting a priority on picking up players who are likely to stick around and we have a certain big, talented Queenslander floating around. Not to mention a few others from up that way.

Perhaps we see this as an opportunity to move up with a package of our first, Preuss (who I’m loathe to trade but you gotta give up something of value) and whatever else might be required to get it over the line (It might take a lot more, I don’t know).

Gives us a shot at an uber talent like Rankine etc and saves us the worry of a bid coming before Thomas.

Back this call a lot.

 

[Jindrrk]

References to Kelly as Jelly should result in immediate banishment the St Fiddler board.


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I've been very strong with this as well.

Permanent ban imo.

 

[The Nostradamus]

My brother supports * (don't ask why - I can't explain it) and he loves Laverde. Reckons he has all the makings of a modern day mid/forward. Would be happy to get him.

+1 to Laverde value get

 

[King Corey]

Very astute 1st post.

Stop siphoning their likes.

 

[pupstar]

IF we get Gaff this year then I really don't care if we're forced to take TT with our first pick because we're getting Jelly next year.

Gaff, TT and Jelly in consecutive years is pretty special and LDU will basically be a new recruit next year too.

Might take a season for them to all 'click' but when it all comes together our midfield will be scary!

Not as confident as everyone we end up with Kelly at or never lone next year. Of cause hope i am proven wrong. Wont be convinced until he is actually in the Blue and White strips.

 

[Carlos Herrrnandez]

Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster here.

Just wanted to hear some thoughts on the potential for us to make a play for Gold Coast’s Lynch compo pick should they get one.

Seems they’re probably at the point of putting a priority on picking up players who are likely to stick around and we have a certain big, talented Queenslander floating around. Not to mention a few others from up that way.

Perhaps we see this as an opportunity to move up with a package of our first, Preuss (who I’m loathe to trade but you gotta give up something of value) and whatever else might be required to get it over the line (It might take a lot more, I don’t know).

Gives us a shot at an uber talent like Rankine etc and saves us the worry of a bid coming before Thomas.

With Witts playing well would they give up that pick for a #2 ruckman?