Prediction 2018 trade hypothetical thread

[Moeydw]

Not that collingwood need him but what do people put as Pruess's value? Witts went to GC for picks valued at 485 which is around pick 37, an early 3rd would have to be around the mark in my opinion.

 

[THE_GUN]

Not that collingwood need him but what do people put as Pruess's value? Witts went to GC for picks valued at 485 which is around pick 37, an early 3rd would have to be around the mark in my opinion.

Ohh Dear - Now you have done it

Unproven VFL Ruckman only played 8 games very hard to judge really Toby Nankervis is probably a good guide to his value
Nank was a 22 year old #35 in the national draft Pruess was a rookie selection, Nank had played 12 games and also a final and was next in line for the swans grand final side.

Nank went for #46 and as you mentioned Witts went for #37 so probably around the mark , Paying for potential with a very small sample to judge
In the VFL matchup Richmonds 2nd Ruck Ivan Soldo beat Pruess in that game but Pruess had a 75 hit out game last week - Not sure who the opposition ruckman was but to allow 75 taps he must have been average

 

[Benj7]

But why is he worth the 30's pick ?
As i stated he has been in the AFL system now for nearly 8 years for only 30 games thats less than 5-6 games a year and as a foward only averaging 1 goal a game.

Just to give you an example last year Daniel Menzel was a free agent and not 1 club was interested in giving him an offer better than Geelongs 1 year deal on low coin.

Menzel
26 yo
65 games
13 disposal average
4 marks
1.9 goals a game

Wood
24 yo
31 games
13 disposals average
4 marks
1.3 goals a game

Nobody would even take him as a free agent and he averages more goals a game and even with 4 knee's injuries averages more games than Wood

So why would a team give up a pick in the 20's when a better version nobody touched for free ?

Look I’m not here to sell mason to anyone but if you have watched 1 of the 10 really good games he has played you’d see why he is worth pick in the 20s. For starters picks are overrated pick 20-29 is no certainty to have the talent that wood possesses he can be a match winner. He is the perfect height with agility for the modern prototype half forward. Smarts, pressure and strength and isn’t the slowest footballer. He has had years in the system thus far which is a massive Some teams such as collingwood would easily pay their second for Wood he would slot right in. However, He has been injured and hasn’t been able to string games together watch him this weekend and you’ll know why it wouldn’t be a reach for him to go for pick 20. The potential is still there and if he can reach it 26-30 I’ll be a happy man

 

[THE_GUN]

Look I’m not here to sell mason to anyone but if you have watched 1 of the 10 really good games he has played you’d see why he is worth pick in the 20s. For starters picks are overrated pick 20-29 is no certainty to have the talent that wood possesses he can be a match winner. He is the perfect height with agility for the modern prototype half forward. Smarts, pressure and strength and isn’t the slowest footballer. He has had years in the system thus far which is a massive Some teams such as collingwood would easily pay their second for Wood he would slot right in. However, He has been injured and hasn’t been able to string games together watch him this weekend and you’ll know why it wouldn’t be a reach for him to go for pick 20. The potential is still there and if he can reach it 26-30 I’ll be a happy man

I Agree with you and there is no doubting his talent but you cannot ignore 1 very important piece of the puzzle that is Mason Wood and thats his ability to remain injury free , 31 games in nearly 8 years of football is extremely low and as the situation with my example of Menzel which has talent that some have compared to stevie j & G.Ablett (talent wise) There was not 1 club that was prepared to even consider him for 'FREE' just had to give him a 2 year contract on $250k and he was yours - But no and he was 25 years old last year

this year Wood will be 25 so similar age and with Half the games Menzel has played , What makes you believe that he would get a pick in the 20's when the better version couldnt get picked up as a free agent

 

[Benj7]

I Agree with you and there is no doubting his talent but you cannot ignore 1 very important piece of the puzzle that is Mason Wood and thats his ability to remain injury free , 31 games in nearly 8 years of football is extremely low and as the situation with my example of Menzel which has talent that some have compared to stevie j & G.Ablett (talent wise) There was not 1 club that was prepared to even consider him for 'FREE' just had to give him a 2 year contract on $250k and he was yours - But no and he was 25 years old last year

this year Wood will be 25 so similar age and with Half the games Menzel has played , What makes you believe that he would get a pick in the 20's when the better version couldnt get picked up as a free agent

Optimism tells me he will get over it but you are right that he has played shit all games which is a good sign if he can get over these injuries who says he doesn’t a Waite type career he plays till 35/36 and is in contention to be all Australian. Again, optimism I know but to conclude this I do not wanna give mason up he plays a key role in our team pick 20 is juice but I’d back mason in to turn it around with injuries. The stigma associated with ACL might have put people off Menzel.

 

[liz]

this year Wood will be 25 so similar age and with Half the games Menzel has played , What makes you believe that he would get a pick in the 20's when the better version couldnt get picked up as a free agent

Menzel started this year in great form before he got injured but he wasn't going well towards the end of last season. He lost his spot in the Cats' team, supposedly because his pressure skills weren't up to scratch.

Wood has suffered a lot of injuries but Menzel has had numerous knee reconstructions. He's done really well to get back and play but I imagine clubs would be very wary about the likelihood of him doing an ACL again or the long term effects of those injuries on other parts of his body. Wood's injuries haven't been of a single type so while he might be injury prone, he might just have been unlucky.

Clubs know what Menzel is capable of, when fit, but I doubt they'd see much upside over what he's already produced. On the other hand, I reckon they'd see a lot of potential upside in Wood over what he's already produced if his body allows him to string a season or two of football together.

Also, Wood is contracted. I can't see North actively wanting to trade him. He seems to fill an important ongoing role in their forward line and complements Brown (and, for now, Waite) pretty well. A club who wanted him would have to offer North a pretty decent pick for them to even think about trading him.

 

[THE_GUN]

Optimism tells me he will get over it but you are right that he has played shit all games which is a good sign if he can get over these injuries who says he doesn’t a Waite type career he plays till 35/36 and is in contention to be all Australian. Again, optimism I know but to conclude this I do not wanna give mason up he plays a key role in our team pick 20 is juice but I’d back mason in to turn it around with injuries. The stigma associated with ACL might have put people off Menzel.

I can understand your bias but just answer me this, If Mason played for say Carlton, What would be the pick you would want your club to give to Carlton for Wood looking at it objectively

 

[THE_GUN]

Menzel started this year in great form before he got injured but he wasn't going well towards the end of last season. He lost his spot in the Cats' team, supposedly because his pressure skills weren't up to scratch.

Wood has suffered a lot of injuries but Menzel has had numerous knee reconstructions. He's done really well to get back and play but I imagine clubs would be very wary about the likelihood of him doing an ACL again or the long term effects of those injuries on other parts of his body. Wood's injuries haven't been of a single type so while he might be injury prone, he might just have been unlucky.

Clubs know what Menzel is capable of, when fit, but I doubt they'd see much upside over what he's already produced. On the other hand, I reckon they'd see a lot of potential upside in Wood over what he's already produced if his body allows him to string a season or two of football together.

Menzel lost his position in the final against Richmond but came back and showed how good he is the next game, Even with Menzels knee injuries he still managed nearly twice the games as wood so that would have me even more worried about wood 25 years old and still less than 40 games

Whats his body going to be like in 3-4 years time ?

 

[Benj7]

I can understand your bias but just answer me this, If Mason played for say Carlton, What would be the pick you would want your club to give to Carlton for Wood looking at it objectively

Look around 30-40 as he was originally drafted at 41 and has put on good size and has had exerperince in the system. So 30-40 because I wouldn’t be aware of what he is capable of sometimes when you follow someone’s career and watch every game they play you can kinda see who has it and he has it let him string couple more games together and by the end of this year I hope he proves to people that he is worth a second rounder.

 

[liz]

Menzel lost his position in the final against Richmond but came back and showed how good he is the next game, Even with Menzels knee injuries he still managed nearly twice the games as wood so that would have me even more worried about wood 25 years old and still less than 40 games

Whats his body going to be like in 3-4 years time ?

In which case, why are you so interested in him.

Regardless of how many games he's been able to play thus far, it seems that North rates him pretty highly and I am pretty sure he's contracted. They're not going to hand him over for a rubbish pick.

 

[THE_GUN]

In which case, why are you so interested in him.

Regardless of how many games he's been able to play thus far, it seems that North rates him pretty highly and I am pretty sure he's contracted. They're not going to hand him over for a rubbish pick.

Its a hypothetical thread maybe read the title, All the players in the op are contracted which their clubs rate also

 

[briztoon]

I just had a look .. and I cant say anyone really stood out as someone id trade Kelly for... I think id rather a R1 pick from WCoast I think. Ideal world imo.. we have two R1's then that takes care of any requirement for R1 picks for 3 years.

West Coast don't have a first round pick, they traded it to Gold Coast last year.

No interest in Andrew Gaff?

 

[Turbocat]

West Coast don't have a first round pick, they traded it to Gold Coast last year.

No interest in Andrew Gaff?

I suspect they will get a R1 with comp.. and gaff as a fa... any club would be interested as long as they have the cap room. Trade for him .. no we have other needs and personally id rather mainly go to draft this year.

 

[briztoon]

I suspect they will get a R1 with comp.. and gaff as a fa... any club would be interested as long as they have the cap room. Trade for him .. no we have other needs and personally id rather mainly go to draft this year.

If West Coast finish top two, they are better off matching the Gaff offer and forcing a trade, as the round 1 compo is likely to be something like pick 18 or pick 19.

 

[Turbocat]

If West Coast finish top two, they are better off matching the Gaff offer and forcing a trade, as the round 1 compo is likely to be something like pick 18 or pick 19.

Ok and what do they get ... possibly player ..possibly R1 pick.

Its more about someone else acquiring something to get the deal done... and trading for gaff is revenue negative imo ..id rather keep kelly and our r1.

I think Freo have more to get a deal done.. whether thats acceptable to the deal parts?

 

[briztoon]

Ok and what do they get ... possibly player ..possibly R1 pick.

Its more about someone else acquiring something to get the deal done... and trading for gaff is revenue negative imo ..id rather keep kelly and our r1.

I think Freo have more to get a deal done.. whether thats acceptable to the deal parts?

I don't believe Kelly + a 1st rounder is a fair deal.

Kelly plus a mid/late second rounder seams fair.

 

[WWSD]

Billy Stretch is a player I wouldn’t mind at the Hawks. I know Melbourne fans keep on saying he was a father/son pick and all but I reckon he would be frustrated being in the reserves the last three years and overlooked for selection.

There will be some clubs that can offer him playing time and nearly twice the money he’s currently earning. What’s his trade worth. A late second round pick?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Menzel started this year in great form before he got injured but he wasn't going well towards the end of last season. He lost his spot in the Cats' team, supposedly because his pressure skills weren't up to scratch.

Wood has suffered a lot of injuries but Menzel has had numerous knee reconstructions. He's done really well to get back and play but I imagine clubs would be very wary about the likelihood of him doing an ACL again or the long term effects of those injuries on other parts of his body. Wood's injuries haven't been of a single type so while he might be injury prone, he might just have been unlucky.

Clubs know what Menzel is capable of, when fit, but I doubt they'd see much upside over what he's already produced. On the other hand, I reckon they'd see a lot of potential upside in Wood over what he's already produced if his body allows him to string a season or two of football together.

Also, Wood is contracted. I can't see North actively wanting to trade him. He seems to fill an important ongoing role in their forward line and complements Brown (and, for now, Waite) pretty well. A club who wanted him would have to offer North a pretty decent pick for them to even think about trading him.

Menzel's a free agent anyway and Wood is contracted so they are different scenarios.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

West Coast don't have a first round pick, they traded it to Gold Coast last year.

No interest in Andrew Gaff?

Gaff's probably the only thing that would move us to trade Kelly while he's contracted but I doubt Gaff would want to come to Geelong when he has other Melb based clubs chasing him. McGovern would obviously be the other one (we'd have to add something in for that) but I reckon it's WCE or Freo for him. Freo I doubt trade their R1 as their next pick is R4. So I expect Kelly will be with us next year.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I don't believe Kelly + a 1st rounder is a fair deal.

Kelly plus a mid/late second rounder seams fair.

If Gaff were involved both clubs would manipulate the FA system surely though. E.g. Gaff goes to Geelong via FA Eagles get R1 compo, they trade that for Kelly with other picks coming back from us etc. I doubt Gaff wants to come to Geelong though which makes it a moot point.

 

[bird_man]

St Kilda give 2019 first round pick, 57, 65, 64
North give pick 2018 first round pick, 2019 fourth round pick

 

[RudyBlue]

Dylan Grimes is worth pick 60

Nonsense

 

[Turbocat]

I don't believe Kelly + a 1st rounder is a fair deal.

Kelly plus a mid/late second rounder seams fair.

Kelly plus R2 for who or what? Gaff?..No not for mine

 

[philthy05]

Pick 1 for Wines, pick 10ish and a third rounder?

Port would pay a premium for lukoscious, same with the crows I would suspect.

Nah. Would not want to give away a high pick with wines. That’s a horrible deal for port.

FYI - Essendon hold GWS' 2nd rounder.

fogarty was rated around #1 this time last year.
clubs passed b/c they were worried he'd seek a move home. slid to 10. they may take their chances rather than giving up Wines.
1 for Wines and a 3rd rd pick may work.

Fogarty slid because he didn’t go on in his draft year like people thought, didn’t make a move into the midfield like people predicted the year before, and was rubbish during champs possibly because of a knee complaint and because his position at afl level was somewhat undefined.

I think you're overrating wines just a tad and underrating lukoscious a lot.
Just about the most clear cut number 1 in recent history, think nick riewoldt clone.
Wines is a great player no doubt, but he's not a clear cut superstar.

If I was SOS it would be wines and pick 10 as a starting point.

Wines finished top ten in the Brownlow? He is a contested beast in a game that loves and needs contested big guys like wines. He is a future captain and he is durable. He is everything teams are looking for when drafting with high picks, even pick one. If sos made your offer he wouldn’t get a 2nd meeting. Moot point as wines is staying, wouldn’t choose blues and sos would probably be happy to go to the draft as blues still have a lot of work to do anyway.

St Kilda give 2019 first round pick, 57, 65, 64
North give pick 2018 first round pick, 2019 fourth round pick

Mmmm

On face value yeah it’s an even swap. saints should finish low again next year so it’s probably a good swap and on the proviso it was assumed Thomas was going to be bid on with a pick before north’s pick then it makes sense to move their early pick.

A couple of problems, at this stage it’s not a given Thomas goes before their pick, it’s close. Also they would want something for this year to make up points for Thomas. Picks in 60’s don’t mean anything. Their 2nd round pick will be wiped out by a Thomas bid and having picks in the 60’s innthis drsft wouldnt be appealing. Would imagine they would want some mid draft picks to keep them in it. Whether that comes in a deal for that early pick or for another player from their roster I don’t know.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Kelly plus R2 for who or what? Gaff?..No not for mine

10 game 24 year old player and a mid to late 2nd for a 26 year old player who will be 2 x AA and 1 x AA squad by the end of this season, you'd be making out like bandits.