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  1. Cleric

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    Topping boys from all states? Someone at East Freo with a weird sence of humour.
     

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  2. Brett1974

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    Or don't know what topping means haha
     
  3. BigDance

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    Mike Ellis is the 18s SSWA coach, not the 12s.
     
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    agree with not having younger players. I think another problem is SSWA is all done and dusted within about 4 months - from trials to slection to carnival. the sswa aren't even remotely interested in development and why would they? they just want to best kids who turn up at their trials with no long term plans involved. not really an environment to look for future talent. so the kids that get in are the ones who have turned into a man at 12-14 years old and not really sure where those kids go to from there. If you have a look at AA from 15s SSA carnivals in years gone past, it is a list of nobodies when you see who made afl. even the 16s AA's are a mixed bunch. It isn't until the 18s that you start recognising nearly every name.
     
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    isn't he the kid who made the 15s last year when he was still only 12 which would make him only 13 now?
     
  6. Zurgblade

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    Yes thats what I heard as well. Sounds like he a gun player, but I think you create a lot more negatives, then you do postives when you select a player who is 3 years younger then the standard...
     
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    yep agreed. looks like he has matured early from that photo. I would have picked him as 17ish! not sure where you go from there but good luck to the young bloke.
     
  8. BlueE

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    Correct, I was saying as well as the Basketball 18s not having a teacher as coach, neither does the SSWA Basketball 12s (another touring team).

    You make a good point about SSWA not being involved or interested in player development as from trials to end of tournament its only a few months. The Australian Carnival is supposed to be supportive of school sport, in this case AFL, giving students motivation and a goal to aim for excellence. However many schools don't run organised AFL development programs, but districts do. There are also barriers for regional and county students.

    A little more co-operation and maybe sharing of facilities or expertise if wanted and keeping a strict one year age group policy would improve the results IMO.
     
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    BACK:

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    KADE DITTMAR
    SPENCER TREVOR
    JUSTIN DAVIES
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    SAM SHERRIFF
    BROCK THOMSON
    KAI WATTS
    ISAIAH DUDLEY

    FRONT:

    FINN BROWN
    KANE VISKA
    WILL ASHCROFT
    JED HAGAN
    COOPER MURLEY
    LOCHLAN HARROP
    MICHAEL KTONA
     
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  10. Match22

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    The kids only 13 hard to believe he topped boys that are close to turning 16.
     
  11. Freezin

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    Hagan captained the WA 12s in 2016, played WA 15s last year and this year....so pretty sure that makes him 14....also played for EF year 9 development squad at a 2018 WAFL carnival....so year 9 is 14yrs old?....think a few others in the 15s AA pic look about 17ish more than Hagan....esp a few in the back row?
     

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  12. Match22

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    No he is in year 8
     
  13. Match22

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    Has the year 9 development squad 2018 already been ? I thought it was next school holidays could be wrong.
     
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    The development carnival is not until the Sep / Oct school holidays. Most teams would most likely be training at least once a week at the moment.
     
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    Went on the WAFL site and saw last year's carnival results, Hagan in the best 3 for EF 8A team a couple of times....tho they did play Sept/Oct 2017 as correctly pointed out above.... so this year's carnival not played yet, so wouldn't Hagan now be in the EF year 9 development squad?....
     
  16. BigDance

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    Wafl carnivals have gone back to Year of birth this year. Last year they were School Years and pretty sure he was in year 7 but they let him play in the Year 8 team as there were no Year 7 teams. So this year he will be in the 14’s (14 this year) but pretty sure he is in Year 8 so would be turning 14 sometime between Jul-Dec this year.
    Kids can develop very early and very late and peak at different rates. The point is kids who are peaking at 13/14 will prob get overtaken by 16/17.
     
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    Time will tell I guess.....doesn't look like some 6 foot plus man child tho....seems talented at a variety of sports to state level....as you say early success doesn't translate into later success...
     
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    Yeah but you don’t have to be 6 feet to be a man child. He doesn’t look tall but he does look delveloped which is probably more of an indication that he has peaked early. Not sure how tall his parents are but if he’s already taller than his Dad I’d say he is not going to be tall? We all know the kid we went to school with who didn’t grow after primary school. And some country boys tend to get to puberty quicker for some reason and then can handle playing against older kids where the rules are a bit lax. I just can’t see how an averagely developed 13 year old could possibly be deemed the best player in a bunch of 15 year olds without having the strength and speed that only puberty can bring. So that’s why I think he and others like him must be early developers. But as you say time will tell.
    You can’t train height and as games get longer, the taller players get taller!
    Late bloomers are different again. Look at Fyfey- weighed less than 60kg, barely started puberty and short at age 16 and then grew more than a foot after he left school. Don’t think he ever made an all aistralian as a junior.
     
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    But then you look at guys like Swallow, O'Meara, Martin or Hogan who were prodigies from these schoolboy age groups who have gone onto succeed as professionals.

    Point being there is no one size fits all development theory, every kid is different. As long as these programs continue to provide the kids with a healthy (but competitive) pathway and work is put into keeping the kids & their families grounded then I think it's a good thing.
     
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    Great Post. I couldn't agree more.

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    yep - all good points. every afl player treads a different pathway.

    there was a kid from WA a few years ago - last name Crump, made the 15s as an under ager and then AA the next year. I think he made the 16's. Didn't see him in the 18's this year - anyone know where he ended up?
     
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    Really enjoying reading everyone’s comments lots of valid points made. Will be interested to see this years development games and the new up and coming talent around. Last year Subiaco and swans seemed to dominate in the year 8A,but with the changes to age groups this year will be interesting to see if things change.
     
  23. BigDance

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    It will be hard to compare to last year. If this year is now based on Year of Birth, the year 8's from last year will now be split - half into the 14s and half into the 15s. some individuals will benefit from this and some will not depending on where their birthday is. best thing to get it back in line with the 16s and beyond.
     
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    Best thing imo is to get it in line with the club footy structure, school years so its consistent across the code.
     
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    totally agree. cant think of another sport who do all their club stuff in school years but their rep teams in birth years. actually, maybe hockey do. and some basketball clubs. but rugby - league and union, netball, soccer, athletics are all year of birth straight down the line. no confusion for anyone. that said, I cant think of any rep teams in wa who look at school years so birth years at rep level is the standard. sucks for the December kids but that's life, just as it sucks for the june kids in school years. swimming are the fairest - you swim in the age group you are on that particular day of competition.
     
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