2019~20 Pero Cameron’s Super League

I am proposing to move to the standard Yahoo injury list usage and rules. Do you agree?


  • Total voters
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Gridlock'd

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Hello and welcome to the 2019-20 Pero Cameron Super League. Congrats to Peter H for winning the 2018-19 title.

Can we please start by confirming our participation in 2019-20:

Dutchrudder - Confirmed
Cameron_K - Confirmed
Gridlock'd - Confirmed
Tony Richo - Confirmed
Billy the Kidd - Confirmed
Bostonian - Confirmed
sirjames - Confirmed
Tigerfan - Confirmed
Peter H - Confirmed
Moo - Confirmed
Nice guy adam - Confirmed
Theseventhhamster - Confirmed

I have also posted a poll about moving to the Yahoo injury list rules and usage. Our current injury list procedures was becoming very hard to police. Please respond to the poll.

Here is a reminder of the league rules.

League Rules:

- Scoring is head-to-head.

- There will be a maximum of 50ish allowable moves for the season, depending on what Yahoo allow.

- We will have one injury list slot, governed by Yahoo procedures.

- You can trade in the trade period, throughout the draft period, as well as the regular season, though there will be late season deadline as always. Trades can be for players and picks. However trades have to be equal for the draft period, otherwise teams rosters will be short. For example you cannot trade LeBron James for Pick 2 and 25, however you could do LeBron James and Pick 150 for Pick 2 and 25.

- Roster Positions: PG, SG, G, SF, PF, F, C, C, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN
- Stat Cats: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, REB, AST, STL BLK, TO


Keeper Rules:

- Managers can keep a maximum of 5 players per year;
- Managers can only keep the same player for a maximum of two consecutive years. After the 2nd keep, if the player is not traded before the trade deadline, they are sent to the FA pool for the following season;
- There are no further hard resets of rosters;
- A players value is the round they were originally drafted at (so all players taken in round 1 have a value of 1);
- Value does not effect trades in season ...it only comes into play once you choose to retain a player on your list for the next season;
- When a team chooses to keep a player they must of course pay a price - this price is the previous season draft round + 1 spot up (A player taken round 10 will cost you your round 9 pick);
- The only exception to this rule is if you do not have a higher pick - you are allowed to pay the same price (i.e. if I keep my round 3 pick from last season but I have traded for a round 3 pick last season that I want to keep also......I give up my round 2 choice and my round 3 choice);
- First round draft picks can obviously only cost you a first round draft pick;
- A players value is not lost when delisted ...I delist LeBron ...he carries his value forward as a round 1 selection;
- The following season - value is based on the previous seasons value not the original season;
- If a player is not drafted at all by any team in a season but is then picked up on the WW once the draft is officially complete - his value is 13; and
- If I want to keep 3 previously undrafted WW choices the following seasons it will cost me pick 13, 12 and 11.



Pero Cameron Super League History:

2018-19 Champions:
Peter
Runner-up: Gridlock’d

2017-18 Champion: Dutchrudder
Runner-up: Cameron_K

2016-17 Champion: Cameron_K
Runner-up: Tigerfan

2015-16 Champion: Billy the Kidd
Runner-up: Sirjames

2014-15 Champion: Tony Richo
Runner-up: Nice Guy Adam

2013-14 Champion: Tigerfan
Runner-up: Billy the Kidd

2012-13: Champion: Billy the Kidd
Runner-up: Bugsy

2011-12: Champion: Gridlock'd
Runner-up: Tigerfan

2010-11: Champion: Raff
Runner-up: Dutchy

2009-10: Champion: Realsniper
Runner-up: Moo

2008-09: Champion: Realsniper
Runner-up: Kenny

2007-08: Champion: Hammy
Runner-up: Xie

2006-07: Champion: Realsniper
Runner-up: Gridlock'd

2005-06: Champion: Xie
Runner-up: Animal droppings

2004-05: Champion: Red devil
Runner-up: Gridlock'd

2003-04: Champion: Red Devil
Runner-up: Gridlock'd
 
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Gridlock'd

Norm Smith Medallist
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Round 1:

1 - Tony Richo - Anthony Davis
2 - Moo -
Giannis
3 - Cameron k -
Nikola Jokic
4 - Hammy - Steph Curry
5 - Sirjames - James Harden
6 - Billy -
Damian Lillard
7 - Nice Guy Adam - Zion Williamson
8 - Bostonian - Joel Embiid
9 - Tigerfan - Karl Anthony Towns
10 - Dutchy -
Kyrie Irving
11 - Gridlock'd - Kawhi Leonard
12 - Peter H - Paul George


Round 2:

13 - Tony Richo -
LeBron James
14 - Moo - Andre Drummond
15 - Cameron k - Jimmy Butler
16 - Hammy - Myles Turner
17 - Sirjames -
Mike Conley
18 - Billy - Jrue Holiday
19 - Nice Guy Adam - Ben Simmons
20 - Bostonian - Kemba Walker
21 - Tigerfan - Devin Booker
22 - Dutchy - Russell Westbrook
23 - Gridlock'd - DeAndre Ayton
24 - Peter H - Nicola Vucevic



Round 3:

25 - Tony Richo -
Otto Porter
26 – Moo – Al Horford
27 - Cameron k -
Kristaps Porzingis
28 – Hammy – Luka Doncic
29 - Sirjames -
Buddy Hield
30 – Billy – Jaron Jackson Jr
31 - Nice Guy Adam -
Ja Morant
32 – Bostonian – Rudy Gobert (2nd keep)
33 - Tigerfan -
Blake Griffin
34 - Dutchy - Zach LaVine
35 - Gridlock'd - Khris Middleton
36 - Peter H - Tobias Harris

Round 4:

37 - Tony Richo -
Hassan Whiteside
38 - Moo - Chris Paul
39 - Cameron k – Jonathan Isaac
40 - Hammy -
Draymond Green
41 - Sirjames - Kyle Lowry
42 – Billy – D’Angelo Russell
43 - Nice Guy Adam -
Wendell Carter Jr
44 - Bostonian - Robert Covington
45 - Tigerfan - Eric Bledsoe
46 - Dutchy - CJ McCollum
47 - Gridlock'd – LaMarcus Aldridge (2nd keep)
48 - Peter H -
DeMar DeRozan

Round 5:

49 - Tony Richo -
Victor Oladipo
50 – Moo – Jeff Teague
51 - Cameron k -
Lonzo Ball
52 – Hammy – Ricky Rubio
53 - Sirjames - Brook Lopez
54 – Billy – Clint Capela (2nd keep)
55 - Nice Guy Adam -
Kevin Love
56 – Bostonian – Bradley Beal (2nd keep)
57 – Tigerfan – Jonas Valanciunas
58 - Dutchy -
Aaron Gordon
59 - Gridlock'd - Dejounte Murray
60 - Peter H - Derrick Favors

Round 6:

61 - Tony Richo -
Julius Randle
62 - Moo - Gordon Hayward
63 - Cameron k - Josh Richardson
63 - Hammy - Jaysun Tatum (2nd keep)
65 - Sirjames -
Marvin Bagley
66 - Billy – RJ Barrett
67 - Nice Guy Adam - Garry Harris
68 - Bostonian -
Kelly Oubre
69 - Tigerfan -
Steven Adams
70 - Dutchy - Dario Saric
71 - Gridlock'd - Kyle Kuzma
72 - Peter H - Delon Wright

Round 7:

73 - Tony Richo -
TJ Warren
74 - Moo - Mikal Bridges
75 - Cameron k - Fred VanVleet
76 - Hammy - Marc Gasol
77 - Sirjames - Joe Ingles
78 – Billy – Jarrot Culver
79 - Nice Guy Adam - Brandon Ingram
80 - Bostonian -
Serge Ibaka
81 - Tigerfan - Andrew Wiggins
82 - Dutchy - Paul Millsap
83 - Gridlock'd - Evan Fournier
84 - Peter H - Zach Collins

Round 8:

85 - Tony Richo – Trae Young
86 - Moo -
Marcus Smart
86 - Cameron k - Brandon Clarke
87 - Hammy - Bogdan Bogdanovic
88 - Sirjames -
Tomas Satoransky
89 – Billy -
Klay Thompson
90 - Nice Guy Adam - OG Anouby
91 – Bostonian – Malcolm Brogdon
92 - Tigerfan -
Eric Gordon
93 – Dutchy- De’Aaron Fox
94 - Gridlock'd -
Collin Sexton
95 - Peter H – Larry Nance Jr

Round 9:

96 - Tony Richo – Terry Rozier
97 - Moo -
Enes Kanter
98 - Cameron k - Kevin Huerter
99 - Hammy - Malik Monk
100 – Sirjames – John Collins (2nd keep)
101 – Billy –
Dewayne Dedmon
102 - Nice Guy Adam - Markelle Fultz
103 - Bostonian - Terrence Ross
104 - Tigerfan - Alex Len
105 - Dutchy - Kevin Durant
106 - Gridlock'd - DeAndre Jordan
107 - Peter H - Will Barton

Round 10:

108 - Tony Richo - Dennis Smith ir
109 – Moo – Joe Harris
110 - Cameron k – Bam Adebayo
111 - Hammy -
Norman Powell
112 – Sirjames – Jeremy Lamb
113 - Billy -
Jerami Grant
114 - Nice Guy Adam - Dwight Howard
115- Bostonian – Domantas Sabonis
116- Tigerfan -
Kent Bazemore
117 - dutchy - Kevon Looney
118 - Gridlock'd – Lou Williams (2nd keep)
119 - Peter H -
Nerlens Noel

Round 11:

120 - Tony Richo – Jamal Murray (2nd keep)
121 – Moo – Rudy Gay
122 - Cameron k – Mitchell Robinson (2nd keep)
123 – Hammy – Caris LeVert
124 - Sirjames -
Troy Brown
125 – Billy – Cedi Osman
126 - Nice Guy Adam - Lauri Markkanen (2nd keep)
127 - Bostonian -
Danny Green
128 - Tigerfan - PJ Tucker
129 – Dutchy - Danilo Galinari
130 - Gridlock'd – Jaylen Brown
131 - Peter H – Patrick Beverley

Round 12:

132 - Tony Richo -
Darius Garland
133 - Moo - Javale McGee
134 - Cameron k – Shai Gilgous-Alexander
135 - Hammy -
Rui Hachimura
136 – Sirjames – Jarrett Allen (2nd keep)
137 – Billy –
Isaiah Thomas
138 - Nice Guy Adam – Marvin Williams
139 - Bostonian -
JJ Redick
140 - Tigerfan - Reggie Jackson
141 - Dutchy - Mo Bamba
142 - Gridlock'd - Goran Dragic
143 - Peter H – Donovan Mitchell (2nd keep)

Round 13:

145 - Tony Richo – Justice Winslow
146 – Moo – Jordan Clarkson
147 - Cameron k – Pascal Siakam
148 – Hammy – Derrick White
149 – Sirjames – Thomas Bryant
150 – Billy – Dwight Powell
151 - Nice Guy Adam – Landry Shamet
152 – Bostonian – Montrezl Harrell
153 – Tigerfan – Miles Bridges
154 – Dutchy – Bojan Bogdanovic
155 - Gridlock'd - Harrison Barnes
156 - Peter H – Bobby Portis
 
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Bostonian

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So if a player has 2nd listed next to their name in last seasons draft thread then they are now a FA?

Bolded players in last seasons draft thread are now in their final years of their contracts?
 

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Gridlock'd

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So if a player has 2nd listed next to their name in last seasons draft thread then they are now a FA?

Bolded players in last seasons draft thread are now in their final years of their contracts?

So what we do with the 2nd keep players probably requires more discussion. We can force them to automatically become FAs, however I am also open to a trade period prior to the keeper submission deadline.

What do others think?
 

DutchRudder

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Definitely a trade period.

Bolded players with “2nd keep” from last year’s draft thread can no longer be kept by the team they were kept with last year.

It was my understanding that they could be traded pre-draft this year or have their rights renounced and they enter the FA draft pool.
 

Bostonian

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50/50 about trading the 2nd year players.

It's nice to have lots and lots of top end talent released back into the drafting pool.

Makes the draft more fun and acts as a chance to equalise the league a bit.
 

DutchRudder

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50/50 about trading the 2nd year players.

It's nice to have lots and lots of top end talent released back into the drafting pool.

Makes the draft more fun and acts as a chance to equalise the league a bit.
Considering my current roster position I’d be more than happy for them to enter the draft, but the intention of the maximum 2 year rule was to promote more trading.

As I said, I’m more than happy for them to enter the draft though.
 

Bostonian

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Considering my current roster position I’d be more than happy for them to enter the draft, but the intention of the maximum 2 year rule was to promote more trading.

As I said, I’m more than happy for them to enter the draft though.
As I said 50/50 on it.

If the trading just sees all the upper table teams swapping each other's superstars then it could be a bit counter productive for the league as a whole.
 

Gridlock'd

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My thoughts were always that we would have a trade period, but if the majority are against it, I am happy to not have one as well.
 

Tony Richo

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Let me start by saying I’m happy with whatever the decision ends up being. However my 2 cents worth is I thought the idea was to promote more in season trading. This was exactly why I started the process of trading Harden during the season as I thought he would drop back into the draft pool if I didn’t trade him. I like making people trade in season as I think it throws up another element of gameplay. How do teams in contention handle it compared to teams at the bottom etc? I think a trade period before the draft makes it a bit too easy - most people will prob just do a quick swap knowing they are going to lose their player anyway. If it was done in season it might help equalise a bit too, cos bottom teams might be happy to trade whereas top teams don’t want to hurt their immediate teams and therefore take the risk of winning now but potentially heading back to the draft the following season. Anyway, as I said I’m more than happy to go with whatever the final decision is.
 

Billy the Kidd

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I am also happy to go with either scenario.

But like my brother i thought the idea behind changing the keeper rules was to promote more in season trading. I would be much better off though if I said i thought there was going to be a pre season trade period however that is not the case. I was managing my team on the assumption that my players that i had kept for two seasons would become free agents at the end of last season. I rolled the dice because I thought i could compete for the title (finished 7th), how wrong was i though! As a result i will lose both Kawhi and Embiid (8th round draft pick).

As I said i am happy with either scenario though.
 

DutchRudder

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Absolutely fair and as I stated before, the whole intention was to force more player movement, however we always allow trading of players and picks pre-draft in this league anyhow.

So I guess the question becomes; do we allow pre-draft trading, but players who’s keeper rights have expired are assumed FA’s?
 

Billy the Kidd

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An issue i see with a trade period now is, say i have 4 players I wish to keep and can keep. That would leave me in a position to package Kawhi and Embiid to get the best player I can. Because I only want one player and already have 4 to keep, why wouldn't i throw in a Victor Oladipo as well to get the deal over the line if needed.

Works great for me, works great for the trade partner but I don't think it is fair on the rest of the league if I am not really getting fair compensation back the other way. I'll be happy with the compensation because obviously i made the trade but i think the benefit to my trade partner may be to significant and may compromise the league.

Hopefully this makes sense.

For this reason i think there should not be a pre season trade period.
 

DutchRudder

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An issue i see with a trade period now is, say i have 4 players I wish to keep and can keep. That would leave me in a position to package Kawhi and Embiid to get the best player I can. Because I only want one player and already have 4 to keep, why wouldn't i throw in a Victor Oladipo as well to get the deal over the line if needed.

Works great for me, works great for the trade partner but I don't think it is fair on the rest of the league if I am not really getting fair compensation back the other way. I'll be happy with the compensation because obviously i made the trade but i think the benefit to my trade partner may be to significant and may compromise the league.

Hopefully this makes sense.

For this reason i think there should not be a pre season trade period.
That’s the point in my last post. We have always had a pre/mid draft trade period which should remain, however those players whose keeper rights have expired are no longer available for trade as they are FA’s in the draft.
 

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