List Mgmt. 2019/2020 Trade/Delist/Re-sign predictions/opinions

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Kristof

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Laird to Brisbane for pick 14, Cedric Cox and 2021 1st
3, 14, 21 and 26.

Lukosius for 3, 21 and Hugh Greenwood
Alex Keath and pick 26 to WB for 12 and Bailey Williams
12, 14.

Sam Jacobs and CEY for combined FA Compo, end of 3rd Round pick 37
Riley Knight to Haw for 45
Tom Lynch and pick 45 to Geelong for pick 18.
12, 14, 18, 37

Kyle Hartigan to NM for pick 43
Pick 43 to Port for Billy Frampton and pick 61
12, 14, 18, 37, 60

Josh Jenkins and pick 18 for Aaron Francis and 29
Eddie Betts to Carlton for pick 39
Rory Atkins to NM for pick 42
39 and 42 to Haw for 28
12, 14, 28, 29, 37, 61

Picks 14 and 29 to GWS for Jackson Hately and 49
37 and 49 to Essendon for 29
Future 4th to Power for 62
12, 28, 29, 60, 62

OUT: Laird, Jacobs, Knight, Lynch, Jenkins, Keath, Greenwood, Atkins, Hartigan, Betts, CEY - plus Douglas, Mackay, Otten, Hunter
IN: Cedric Cox, Lukosius, Francis, Bailey Williams, Hately, Frampton, Lachie Murphy, Jordan Butts, 12, 28, 29, 60, 62 - plus two more picks?

ROUND ONE
B: Doedee, Talia, Brown/Kelly
HB: Smith, Francis, Scholl
C: Seedsman, B Crouch, Milera
HF: McHenry, Walker, Sloane
F: Lukosius, Fogarty, McAdam

1st R: ROB, M Crouch, Jones
INT: Himmelberg/Frampton, Hately, Gallucci, Williams/Gibbs

Stengle, Hamill, Cox, Murphy

Plus 2x firsts and our 2nd in 2021. I think that team actually wins a few games, and would be fun to support - if we fix the coaching and admin structure.
 

Johnny Rutten

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Laird to Brisbane for pick 14, Cedric Cox and 2021 1st
3, 14, 21 and 26.

Lukosius for 3, 21 and Hugh Greenwood
Alex Keath and pick 26 to WB for 12 and Bailey Williams
12, 14.

Sam Jacobs and CEY for combined FA Compo, end of 3rd Round pick 37
Riley Knight to Haw for 45
Tom Lynch and pick 45 to Geelong for pick 18.
12, 14, 18, 37

Kyle Hartigan to NM for pick 43
Pick 43 to Port for Billy Frampton and pick 61
12, 14, 18, 37, 60

Josh Jenkins and pick 18 for Aaron Francis and 29
Eddie Betts to Carlton for pick 39
Rory Atkins to NM for pick 42
39 and 42 to Haw for 28
12, 14, 28, 29, 37, 61

Picks 14 and 29 to GWS for Jackson Hately and 49
37 and 49 to Essendon for 29
Future 4th to Power for 62
12, 28, 29, 60, 62

OUT: Laird, Jacobs, Knight, Lynch, Jenkins, Keath, Greenwood, Atkins, Hartigan, Betts, CEY - plus Douglas, Mackay, Otten, Hunter
IN: Cedric Cox, Lukosius, Francis, Bailey Williams, Hately, Frampton, Lachie Murphy, Jordan Butts, 12, 28, 29, 60, 62 - plus two more picks?

ROUND ONE
B: Doedee, Talia, Brown/Kelly
HB: Smith, Francis, Scholl
C: Seedsman, B Crouch, Milera
HF: McHenry, Walker, Sloane
F: Lukosius, Fogarty, McAdam

1st R: ROB, M Crouch, Jones
INT: Himmelberg/Frampton, Hately, Gallucci, Williams/Gibbs

Stengle, Hamill, Cox, Murphy

Plus 2x firsts and our 2nd in 2021. I think that team actually wins a few games, and would be fun to support - if we fix the coaching and admin structure.
Bloody hell Kristof, I admire the effort you put into these. But it's just for fun isn't it? Also, can we all please stop mentioning Lairdy in trade talk? We won't be trading one of our best players; an AA 25-year-old defender.
 

Johnny Rutten

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Russell's bulls**t on SEN is just stirring up s**t about our club, built on a desire to unsettle us even further. He went onto say Lairdy could end up at the Cats - pure wish fulfilment from a Cat's dribbler. FFS, we will not be trading our best younger to mid-age players (Crouches, Laird, Fog, etc.).

He said: “I’m hearing there could be at least 10 or even more players leaving the Crows at the end of this review,”. What an inflammatory piece of BS. If anything, the results of the review would more than likely please the players, not displease them.
 

Vader

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Oct 14, 2005
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Nothing has changed for Jacobs
Incorrect. His main competition for those positions has been removed.

There are 3 clubs which are known to be looking for a short-term mature aged ruckman - Carlton, GWS, and Geelong. Jacobs & Ryder are the only two players who fit the bill. Now there are 2 players (supply) and 3 clubs (demand), so the price just went up.
 

DJ75

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Aug 4, 2004
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If I was in charge of our trading etc... I would be massively in the ear of Oscar Allen's manager and trying to see if there is an offer we can throw his way that would entice him to the club.
He has signed a 1 year extension with WC that covers 2020, but after playing almost every game this year he is out of the team for the finals. He might be feeling a little pi**ed. Add in an offer of a longer (5 year) contract and you might extract a young key position (can play forward or back) that you can build around. He's also very very good.

Sometimes you have to be bold...
 

Kristof

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Bloody hell Kristof, I admire the effort you put into these. But it's just for fun isn't it? Also, can we all please stop mentioning Lairdy in trade talk? We won't be trading one of our best players; an AA 25-year-old defender.
I just write these up when I'm sitting at my desk and I can't be bothered starting a task I'm being paid to complete. ;)

We wouldn't do this many changes. We'd probably keep Mackay and Betts for a year, just to stagger the delistings.

Personally - I would trade Laird and Lynch. I think we have depth there, and we need to open up spots.
 

skam85

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Aug 21, 2008
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Well tell me where he is going mate if you know so much
You are full of it
So you don't understand supply and demand then

try booking a flight to from Adelaide to Melbourne on a Wednesday in October
then try booking one on a Friday in September where the Crows are travelling to Melbourne for a final
 

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Johnny Rutten

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I just write these up when I'm sitting at my desk and I can't be bothered starting a task I'm being paid to complete. ;)

We wouldn't do this many changes. We'd probably keep Mackay and Betts for a year, just to stagger the delistings.

Personally - I would trade Laird and Lynch. I think we have depth there, and we need to open up spots.
Wow. A guaranteed performer vs. the educated lottery of the National draft. It's a risky business.
 

Cleric

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Oct 14, 2011
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So when Lever wanted out according to this board he was the problem and not the club.
When Cameron wanted out according to this board he was over rated and was just wanting more money, and could easily be replaced by Murphy.
When Gov wanted out according to this board he was a wanka and the club was not the problem.
We hear that Eddie, who could do no wrong here, wants out and according to this board he is sulking and the club wasn't the problem.
Well now we hear stories that players like Rory Laird, who is 2x AA and 2x BF, is looking to leave and I guess he is also a wanka who is sulking and the club is still not the problem?

Some of us were saying that something rotten was happening at the club when Lever, CC and Gov all left, and yet it has been allowed to contime and take us to where we are now.
Players wanting out and no one wants to come here.
You reap what you sow.
 

Johnny Rutten

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So when Lever wanted out according to this board he was the problem and not the club.
When Cameron wanted out according to this board he was over rated and was just wanting more money, and could easily be replaced by Murphy.
When Gov wanted out according to this board he was a wanka and the club was not the problem.
We hear that Eddie, who could do no wrong here, wants out and according to this board he is sulking and the club wasn't the problem.
Well now we hear stories that players like Rory Laird, who is 2x AA and 2x BF, is looking to leave and I guess he is also a wanka who is sulking and the club is still not the problem?

Some of us were saying that something rotten was happening at the club when Lever, CC and Gov all left, and yet it has been allowed to contime and take us to where we are now.
Players wanting out and no one wants to come here.
You reap what you sow.
Your point is well made. We struggle to retain certain players. Whether that's to do with poor list management and/or poor culture (or a combination of both + other factors), most of us really don't know. I wouldn't associate Laird into this though. Not one ioata of evidence on the Laird one to date, disc jockey brain farts at this stage.
 

Cleric

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Oct 14, 2011
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Your point is well made. We struggle to retain certain players. Whether that's to do with poor list management and/or poor culture (or a combination of both + other factors), most of us really don't know. I wouldn't associate Laird into this though. Not one ioata of evidence on the Laird one to date, disc jockey brain farts at this stage.
Dewayne has strong contacts at Geeelong, and he was saying that Geelong would be a good fit. Also said that he heard it from the highest levels.
I would think Laird has been talking to Geelong and Dewayne has been told.
 

Mr MysteryGuest

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Apr 4, 2015
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Dewayne has strong contacts at Geeelong, and he was saying that Geelong would be a good fit. Also said that he heard it from the highest levels.
I would think Laird has been talking to Geelong and Dewayne has been told.
Or that Geelong have been talking to Laird manager, which is a very common practice.
Doesn’t mean Laird has any intention to leave.
 

morris086

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Mar 29, 2015
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Lol. Its So easy to replace duel AAs .
Just like Charlie was going to be easy to replace.
Just so far away from the truth.
Charlie was always going to be the harder player to replace out of him and Lever. I love Laird but to think a half back flanker/small defender, even one as good as Laird, would be hard to replace is absurd.
 

Shaz2012

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Sep 15, 2012
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Lol. Its So easy to replace duel AAs .
Just like Charlie was going to be easy to replace.
Just so far away from the truth.
Having an AA half-back flanker in a bottom 4 team is pointless. We need to look at what our team will be like in 3-4 years. A 30 year old AA half back flanker isn't going to do much for us then either. I am not saying we should trade Laird specifically, but there is no reason we shouldn't be looking to trade him or Smith or either Crouch. We should have made the big calls last year with Sloane and Lynch. Now we have to fix up past mistakes, including trading two firsts for Gibbs.
 

Crow till I die

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Having an AA half-back flanker in a bottom 4 team is pointless. We need to look at what our team will be like in 3-4 years. A 30 year old AA half back flanker isn't going to do much for us then either. I am not saying we should trade Laird specifically, but there is no reason we shouldn't be looking to trade him or Smith or either Crouch. We should have made the big calls last year with Sloane and Lynch. Now we have to fix up past mistakes, including trading two firsts for Gibbs.
Laird at his best plays a quarterback role - so well that at times last year he was being tagged to try and curb his influence. Brodie smith at his best is a line breaking very long kicking flanker / wing. Brad crouch is the ace in midfield that we absolutely cannot afford to trade. 2 of the 3 are local SA boys and all 3 have years ahead of them. These are guys you build the team around going forward by adding in quality around them. Trading them out for speculative picks guarantees nothing and extends the length of time it will take to get the club back up and contending. Do the best teams trade out their best players in the hope of getting better..no they don't
 

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