2019 2nd Ashes Test - Lords 14-18 August 2019

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You make some good points but Doug Walters had a pretty good series in 1968 (a bit like Warner no 100's but quite a few reasonable scores) and in 1972 after 4 tests Doug had scored (I think) 51 runs in 7 innings. Warner is pretty much heading in this direction. If Warner fails in the 3rd test then I can't see him being picked for the 4th.
Truth is Dougie never really cracked it in England. WE wanted him to but the conditions brought him undone.
 

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But there is about 300 pages of people telling us Jofra wasn't that good in this test match, so I don't see the need to change my tune!
Jofra I think is going to be a beauty for England and good for test cricket overall. He stitched up Smith and you can paint the picture anyway you want to but that is a + for England. Unfortunate but that is cricket. He had a helmet he should have used it rather than his Neck.
 

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And you base this view on what?
The US being socialist for plutocrats?

- Flattening of US taxation system allowing the wealthy to hoard wealth, causing inequality to skyrocket
- Bush/Obama choosing to bail out banks after the GFC, but not ordinary Americans
- The US government subsiding corporations for performing functions that were formerly conducted by the government (defending military installations, delivering mail, running prisons, building military bases, training foreign militaries)
- The likes of the Koch brothers successfully lobbying the government to expand fracking operations and deregulate the oil industry, which saves them money

One warning sign is how much money the likes of the Koch brothers donate to politicians like Hillary Clinton through superPACS. I doubt they would do this if they didn't have reasonable grounds to expect a significant return on investment. No sane businessman would.

RE Ayn Rand, Richard Pryor sums my views up quite nicely.

You make false assertions. Firstly she always said that the well off in society should look after poor and down trodden in society. She criticized those who would bring down the well off and prop themselves up without merit. Bad sci fi novels??? WTF Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead are her two most well known novels.
We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force. Seems like a reasonable quote. You seem to have a bias against her and that is fine but your arguments against her are falsely premised. Therefor I will not be swayed. We are a bit of topic here.
Even if she did express private sentiment to that effect, it doesn't come out in her public political philosophy:
- Anti-altruism
- Anti-welfare (Unemployment insurance, Social Security)
- Hyper-individualist (everyone must look out for #1)

Being a well-known book doesn't mean that the book is particularly well-written, either. I mean, look at Tom Clancy!

But yes, we're getting off topic. This thread is about cricket, not politics. Just thought I'd explain my views further.
 

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The US being socialist for plutocrats?

- Flattening of US taxation system allowing the wealthy to hoard wealth, causing inequality to skyrocket
- Bush/Obama choosing to bail out banks after the GFC, but not ordinary Americans
- The US government subsiding corporations for performing functions that were formerly conducted by the government (defending military installations, delivering mail, running prisons, building military bases, training foreign militaries)
- The likes of the Koch brothers successfully lobbying the government to expand fracking operations and deregulate the oil industry, which saves them money

One warning sign is how much money the likes of the Koch brothers donate to politicians like Hillary Clinton through superPACS. I doubt they would do this if they didn't have reasonable grounds to expect a significant return on investment. No sane businessman would.

RE Ayn Rand, Richard Pryor sums my views up quite nicely.



Even if she did express private sentiment to that effect, it doesn't come out in her public political philosophy:
- Anti-altruism
- Anti-welfare (Unemployment insurance, Social Security)
- Hyper-individualist (everyone must look out for #1)

Being a well-known book doesn't mean that the book is particularly well-written, either. I mean, look at Tom Clancy!

But yes, we're getting off topic. This thread is about cricket, not politics. Just thought I'd explain my views further.
Why put some wall of context about irrelevant crap on a cricket thread? No one wants to have to scroll past your argument to talk about the Ashes
 

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But there is about 300 pages of people telling us Jofra wasn't that good in this test match, so I don't see the need to change my tune!
You are seriously going to try and turn it around and complain about other people not rating him?

You are his biggest critic on the forum, be an adult admit you were totally wrong and just move on don't try and cover it up by pointing the finger at others.
 

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But there is about 300 pages of people telling us Jofra wasn't that good in this test match, so I don't see the need to change my tune!
It will interesting how Jofra backs it up next test .
Given its a short turn around.

People were talking trash about him beening picked for the second test after playing counrty seconds.

Hes a talent .
But they don't want to burn him out tho.
 

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Root did over bowl him in the first innings, he actually lost his way when bowling at Cummins and siddle and I felt broad should have been on but you can understand roots excitement though as his team badly needed real pace when they got thumped here.

I'm sure root will learn to use him more in short burst rather than 8-9 spells where he tails off slightly.
 

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You are seriously going to try and turn it around and complain about other people not rating him?

You are his biggest critic on the forum, be an adult admit you were totally wrong and just move on don't try and cover it up by pointing the finger at others.
How was I wrong? Like people comparing him to Starc or Johnson, they can produce fiery spells but in terms of test bowling, your Siddle, Pattinson, Cummins, Broad, Woakes etc are a lot more dangerous. He never really threatened to run through a pretty weak Australian batting lineup, only weapon was to knock Smith out and couldn't clean up the tail. He is severely overrated and overhyped at the moment.

When he takes 5-6 wickets in an innings and actually puts a batting lineup under pressure, I'll think about changing my tune, till then, he is the latest novelty act because England have never had a truly quick bowler and that's mainly because, its not the most effective way to bowl in English conditions!
 

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Archer isn't going to be that bloke always runs through you in england but when you have woakes Jimmy and broad he doesn't have to be.

Broad is the bloke who will take 5 for nothing on a greenish deck archer is the bloke who makes it happen when the game is drifting, England need both and archer will be an even bigger asset away from home.
 

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Took you a while to reply, i figured you were having a good old sook! FYI I would have had Marnus in the side originally and no Khawaja with Smith at 3.
Got lost when the thread moved and then just thought of it now. Also hard to say anything as Lab hadn’t necessarily failed as he hadn’t had an opportunity but Wade had succeeded.

I went hard in my support of Lab as I thought he would give us our best chance to succeed and be our best long term option. It looked like he was battling Wade for the one position.

Now I would look to play them both in the same side, Lab prefers to bat in the top order and that’s where we have been struggling. I still have the same concerns with Wade and his defence but if we can get the top order right so he isn’t coming in so early we give him the opportunity to counterattack he can add value to the side at 6.

I would look to open Khawaja and Warner, move Khawaja up the order he had been in the best form out of the top 3 hopefully if he can get a few starts he can help take some of the pressure off Warner. Then if Lab Smith and Head can bat well Wade should be able to come in against a tiring bowling attack
 

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With Joffa in the poms side now Khawaja will not make a run hates fast bowling scares him..should be dropped after ashes and never play for aussie's again
This is false and based on nothing. Was our best batsman a few years ago against South Africa at home and was one of the few to perform in tough conditions. He's one of our most talented batsman, he just struggles to remain consistent which has been frustrating.
 

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This is false and based on nothing. Was our best batsman a few years ago against South Africa at home and was one of the few to perform in tough conditions. He's one of our most talented batsman, he just struggles to remain consistent which has been frustrating.
It’s because he is fat, lazy and doesn’t like using his feat. He gets game on his natural talent but at the moment doesn’t work hard enough to get the best out of himself
 

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Got lost when the thread moved and then just thought of it now. Also hard to say anything as Lab hadn’t necessarily failed as he hadn’t had an opportunity but Wade had succeeded.

I went hard in my support of Lab as I thought he would give us our best chance to succeed and be our best long term option. It looked like he was battling Wade for the one position.

Now I would look to play them both in the same side, Lab prefers to bat in the top order and that’s where we have been struggling. I still have the same concerns with Wade and his defence but if we can get the top order right so he isn’t coming in so early we give him the opportunity to counterattack he can add value to the side at 6.

I would look to open Khawaja and Warner, move Khawaja up the order he had been in the best form out of the top 3 hopefully if he can get a few starts he can help take some of the pressure off Warner. Then if Lab Smith and Head can bat well Wade should be able to come in against a tiring bowling attack
Fair call, Bancroft has to go, not sure if Marcus Harris should be coming in right now, Khawaja has been ok.
 

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Keaton Jennings, Sam Robson and so many more have played all their pathway cricket elsewhere. It’s unfair especially on the poorer nations as they will keep losing players. If you don’t want to represent a nation because you want to play elsewhere don’t.

I don’t really care about Archer I want to see the best players playing test cricket but I think at the moment we have problems especially with South African’s and West Indian’s turning their back on test cricket. We have already lost the West Indies as a power and we are losing South Africa at the moment.
Exactly. If strong teams take the weaker teams best players Test cricket will be dead in all but a few countries.
 

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The US being socialist for plutocrats?

- Flattening of US taxation system allowing the wealthy to hoard wealth, causing inequality to skyrocket
- Bush/Obama choosing to bail out banks after the GFC, but not ordinary Americans
- The US government subsiding corporations for performing functions that were formerly conducted by the government (defending military installations, delivering mail, running prisons, building military bases, training foreign militaries)
- The likes of the Koch brothers successfully lobbying the government to expand fracking operations and deregulate the oil industry, which saves them money

One warning sign is how much money the likes of the Koch brothers donate to politicians like Hillary Clinton through superPACS. I doubt they would do this if they didn't have reasonable grounds to expect a significant return on investment. No sane businessman would.

RE Ayn Rand, Richard Pryor sums my views up quite nicely.



Even if she did express private sentiment to that effect, it doesn't come out in her public political philosophy:
- Anti-altruism
- Anti-welfare (Unemployment insurance, Social Security)
- Hyper-individualist (everyone must look out for #1)

Being a well-known book doesn't mean that the book is particularly well-written, either. I mean, look at Tom Clancy!

But yes, we're getting off topic. This thread is about cricket, not politics. Just thought I'd explain my views further.
How does flattening(whatever that means) the tax system allow wealthy to hoard. and cause inequality...errant nonsense!
Yep some banks were bailed out...who were the ordinary(whatever that means) Americans
To subsidize corporations is using tax money to run these functions. If the functions are conducted by Govt..even more tax money would be required so what is your point.
The US allowed fracking so that their oil supplies could be sourced domestically. They were successful in this. They did not want to be reliant on middle East Oil a prudent policy I would say. And did Hillary Clinton get into Power..no, so your point is meaningless. You have no idea what a sane businessman would do. As for your thoughts on Rand once again misinformed opinion is just that. Worthless. So your Premise Socialist for Plutocrats = passes through to the Keeper.
 

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Archer isn't going to be that bloke always runs through you in england but when you have woakes Jimmy and broad he doesn't have to be.

Broad is the bloke who will take 5 for nothing on a greenish deck archer is the bloke who makes it happen when the game is drifting, England need both and archer will be an even bigger asset away from home.
Jimmy is done sand Broad can’t be far behind. Archer is going to need some support if he’s to be a genuine Test player.
 

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Still have to keep Warner and Khawaja. If Warner can’t find his feet in the home summer it’s car over
Warner looks badly out of sorts it’s weird, looked great in the WC. I would have had Joe Burns in the squad i stead of Harris, harsh on Harris but Burns was in good nick and I rate him.
 

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Jimmy is done sand Broad can’t be far behind. Archer is going to need some support if he’s to be a genuine Test player.
What makes you think Jimmy is done? He may be 37 but it's not like he's had many issues with injuries throughout his career and his record in the last few years is outstanding.
 

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Warner looks badly out of sorts it’s weird, looked great in the WC. I would have had Joe Burns in the squad i stead of Harris, harsh on Harris but Burns was in good nick and I rate him.
He got hit a few times over the Australian summer as the first thing he does when it’s short is take his eye off it and ducks
 

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Something of which you have absolutely no proof. How people can interpret Trescothick saying he didn't like a specific type of mints (which had been identified as the ones that had been allowing Warwickshire to get more prolonged swing than other teams in the county championship) because they were too dry as Trescothick saying he experimented with different types of mints to find the most effective at getting the ball to swing I have no idea.
Actually, in his autobiography, he states clearly that he decided on Murray Mints through 'trial and error' and that they 'worked a treat' (pun, I assume, intended).
 

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What makes you think Jimmy is done? He may be 37 but it's not like he's had many issues with injuries throughout his career and his record in the last few years is outstanding.
Very few fast bowlers play at 37; even if he goes on, we're talking a year or so at best. He's certainly not going to be around for any length of Archer's career.
 

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