2019 2nd Ashes Test - Lords 14-18 August 2019

[Doodlesweaver]

English fans are utensil-a-hoop now reading around the traps.

Considering how poor some of the Aussies choices around various things are and how lost Warner seems, the team is doing well, i reckon. Holding out yesterday was a big deal, a very big one. I somehow get the feeling that if it had been England who saved the match, the English fans would have been utensil-a-hoop about that too.

It's like everything turns into a replay of the Brexit campaign in this country at present. It's doing my effing head in.

 

[A Pom]

Agreed. That is a double standard. You are entirely right in saying so.

Here's another double standard. English people calling Smith a cheat while celebrating Panaser for the same actions. I bet the guy who abused Smith in Long Room loves Murray Mints. He probably respects Mike Atherton, too. It's amazing what we choose to become indignant about, isn't it?

Mints are a grey area that are presumably within the rules given the lack of ICC punishments for the likes of Smith and Kohli. Funnily enough there was absolutely no outrage when Smith admitted his team did the same thing.

 

[VirgilHilts]

Nice that you conveniently leave out England changing the 7 year qualifiying period to 3 years. That's relevant because Archer had never lived in the UK until he was 18 and wasn't eligible to play for England until 2022.

Nice that you're conveniently leaving out that the ICC's rule on qualifying period said 3 years (having brought it down from 4) so in effect England had been far in excess of other nations by applying a 7-year period to themselves in the first place. All the ECB did was bring itself into line with what the ICC's regulations already stated.

 

[A Pom]

How many hundreds of millions live in England? ******* embarrassing you can't even find eleven cricketers

Labuschagne, Renshaw, Fawad Ahmed, Cartwright. Any of these names ringing any bells?

 

[Dez!]

Whilst England may have seemed slightly negative, there was far more to lose by losing this test than drawing. Lose it and you have to win all 3.

The shortened first session didnt help, basically meant you consolidated till lunch then reassessed after the break, then go hard after Lunch. Stokes nearing a century complicated things as well, only Paul Reiffel declares there!!!

But the ease which England scored shows just how flat the pitch was, so why would you give your opposition a sniff if the pitch is still playing well?

Even then, one very bad dropped catch gets taken and England may just have stolen the game last night. From yesterdays play, Stokes gains plenty of confidence, Buttler and Bairstow a little, Leach outbowled the GOAT! And Australia showed their batting lineup is still completely brittle on a flat pitch. Labuschagne may have made some runs, but Smith makes big hundreds, he ain't replicating that. The fact people take positives from Bancrofts innings show just how low the bar is set atm.

They didn't score with ease.

Butler batted like a crab.

Stokes benefited from crap fielding.

Bairstow looked alright.

Outside of Rory Burns the English batting lineup has also looked brittle.

 

[A Pom]

Nice that you're conveniently leaving out that the ICC's rule on qualifying period said 3 years (having brought it down from 4) so in effect England had been far in excess of other nations by applying a 7-year period to themselves in the first place. All the ECB did was bring itself into line with what the ICC's regulations already stated.

Let's not forget the ECB rules are still stricter than any other country requiring 3 years citizenship as well as residence.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Whilst England may have seemed slightly negative, there was far more to lose by losing this test than drawing. Lose it and you have to win all 3.

The shortened first session didnt help, basically meant you consolidated till lunch then reassessed after the break, then go hard after Lunch. Stokes nearing a century complicated things as well, only Paul Reiffel declares there!!!

But the ease which England scored shows just how flat the pitch was, so why would you give your opposition a sniff if the pitch is still playing well?

Even then, one very bad dropped catch gets taken and England may just have stolen the game last night. From yesterdays play, Stokes gains plenty of confidence, Buttler and Bairstow a little, Leach outbowled the GOAT! And Australia showed their batting lineup is still completely brittle on a flat pitch. Labuschagne may have made some runs, but Smith makes big hundreds, he ain't replicating that. The fact people take positives from Bancrofts innings show just how low the bar is set atm.

Yet that low low bar of 80% of the Aussie line up being below par, still leads the series 1-0 and only has to win 1 more test to retain the Ashes.

 

[frankrizzo]

English fans are utensil-a-hoop now reading around the traps.

Considering how poor some of the Aussies choices around various things are and how lost Warner seems, the team is doing well, i reckon. Holding out yesterday was a big deal, a very big one. I somehow get the feeling that if it had been England who saved the match, the English fans would have been utensil-a-hoop about that too.

It's like everything turns into a replay of the Brexit campaign in this country at present. It's doing my effing head in.

Smith looking human has pumped them up, he was living rent free in their heads so even finding some way to slow him down has made them feel like they will win the series.

Im pretty pessimistic about the test without smith but i still think we can retain the ashes which considering the pre seris predictions would be an awful failure for england, englands batting still looks sketchy and without poor captaincy and awful catching they collapse cheaply in both innings here we can still roll them cheap enough to win another test in this series.

 

[The Passenger]

English fans are utensil-a-hoop now reading around the traps.

Was coming on here to post exact same thing.

Over here they are only a few inches short of claiming the Ashes are in the bag already. Audacious for a team which can't go any worse than 2-0 over the remaining tests.

Our boys have copped their whack for cheating, and the Pommy fans want to keep going with it. Lets not forget that in a couple of summers when Joe Root comes down after yesterday's "catch".

 

[The Passenger]

Labuschagne, Renshaw, Fawad Ahmed, Cartwright. Any of these names ringing any bells?

As an English fan, do you really want to play this game of overseas born cricketers?

The English figure sits somewhere around 90.

 

[frankrizzo]

Mints are a grey area that are presumably within the rules given the lack of ICC punishments for the likes of Smith and Kohli. Funnily enough there was absolutely no outrage when Smith admitted his team did the same thing.

mike ahterton then? he has never really suffered because of what he did because nobody in england cared that he was a cheat.

Steve waugh talked about as soon as he got to county cricket the locals were telling him their ball tampering methods and he basically told them to piss off, imran used a bottletop on a ball and he was never booed in england in fact he is loved over there, if we had ignored our tampering the way england ignore theirs it would have been at worst a one match ban and it would be forgotten by now.

Aussies hold their sportspeople to a ridiculous standard but it's a standard england don't hold their own players to they are simply using this as an easy way to s**t on the old enemy its mock outrage simple as that, just another group of obnoxious fans who think their s**t doesn't stink.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Can we have a dedicated overseas players/ball tampering whinge thread so it's not in the match thread? It's just the same posts circling around the pot over and over again.

 

[toml]

Not going to lie, if Harris plays I am already massively worried for him. How many times did he get hit in the head during the India series? 3 at least wasn't it? Got hit a few times during the shield last season too. Archer will target him. Glad we didn't end up playing Pucovski this series.

 

[frankrizzo]

They didn't score with ease.

Butler batted like a crab.

Stokes benefited from crap fielding.

Bairstow looked alright.

Outside of Rory Burns the English batting lineup has also looked brittle.

Stokes ton has to be his worst by a long long way, he basically could have been out 4 or 5 times just in lyons first over on day 4, once the game was safe and we had gone on the defensive he slogged us but it's not an innings that makes you feel stokes has control of our bowling.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Jolly good show lol.

An MCC member was ejected from the Lord’s Pavilion on Saturday for allegedly verbally abusing Steve Smith following his dismissal during the evening session of the second Test.

The incident is understood to have occurred when Smith was walking back to the Australian dressing room after he was out for 92. The MCC member is understood to have both booed and used insulting language towards the Australian while he was walking through the Long Room.

MCC member ejected from Lord’s Pavilion for allegedly verbally abusing Steve Smith

An MCC member was ejected from the Lord’s Pavilion on Saturday for allegedly verbally abusing Steve Smith following his dismissal during the evening session of the second Test.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Cuzz09]

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[frankrizzo]

11 good batsmen.

nope.

 

[maryjames]

What I got out of this test.

Archer is a massive w***er and root is a cheat.

 

[frankrizzo]

Not going to lie, if Harris plays I am already massively worried for him. How many times did he get hit in the head during the India series? 3 at least wasn't it? Got hit a few times during the shield last season too. Archer will target him. Glad we didn't end up playing Pucovski this series.

Must admit i forgot about those, he got in some awful tangles didn't he?

 

[Cold Sober]

Just saw the root catch claim, how the fluk does a 3rd umpire give that out, the only thing his fingers were under were his nose.

 

[PhatBoy]

The ICC needs to be stronger on players moving around countries. Once you have represented a test nation at under 19 level you shouldn’t be able to change. Unless it is along the lines of Michael DiVenuto leaving Australia to play for Italy.

But once you have played under 19s for a test nation you shouldn’t be able to play for any other test nation

Not a comment without merit but if moving countries and becoming a citizen of that country is perfectly legal in general life, then why should it be any different for sport?

 

[frankrizzo]

Just saw the root catch claim, how the fluk does a 3rd umpire give that out, the only thing his fingers were under were his nose.

He probably would have given it even if the soft signal was not out, i refuse to believe that outside england and australia that joel wilson is one of the top 3 or 4 umpires in the world, surely there are better umps being denied a fair shot?

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Mints are a grey area that are presumably within the rules given the lack of ICC punishments for the likes of Smith and Kohli. Funnily enough there was absolutely no outrage when Smith admitted his team did the same thing.

Nonsense. Mints are not a 'grey area'. The rules clearly state that the ball cannot be polished with any artificial substance. Both Marcus Trescothik and Paneser have admitted to the 05' team using mints (an artificial substance that is not naturally contained in saliva) to manage the ball. Both concealed their use of the mints from umpires. They did so because it's outside the law. Paneser also admitted to using his zip, which is also ball tampering. I note you fail to address Atherton, which is entirely unsurprising. It's possible you actually believe he was just keeping his hands dry.

All international teams have ball tampered at some point. That's how you get reverse swing. It seems only the English are hypocritical enough to view their ball tempering as somehow different, somehow a 'grey area', and everyone else's as condemnable. Again, not at all surprising. Enjoy that high horse. Don't fall off, now.

 

[eddiesmith]

If booing Root, do people also boo Khawaja for that 'catch' last series where he dropped it under himself then came up claiming it? Lucky for him there was no camera under his chest...

Roots catch looked good to me, but every time you see one of those low down people will see what they want to see.

 

[A Pom]

Nonsense. Mints are not a 'grey area'. The rules clearly state that the ball cannot be polished with any artificial substance. Both Marcus Trescothik and Paneser have admitted to the 05' team using mints (an artificial substance that is not naturally contained in saliva) to manage the ball. Both concealed their use of the mints from umpires. They did so because it's outside the law.

Are we banning players for drinking sugary drinks and then shining the ball as well then? It's clearly a grey area. If it were so clear cut why was Smith not sanctioned for admitting his team did it in a press conference and why was Kohli not sanctioned when footage was widely available of him shining the ball whilst sucking on a mint?