2019 4th Ashes Test 2019 Old Trafford

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Who's gonna win it. One of the most anticipated cricket matches in living memory.
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England 2.37
Aussies 3.40
Draw 2.75

I say we win, and Smithy gets a century, and I hope Mitch Marsh doesn't come in, and Michell Starc does.
Quick pitch maybe ?
Waddaya reckon?
 

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I have heard a few rumours from an old journalist colleague today in the UK and a possible line-up for the Fourth Test could be:

Warner
Khawaja
Labuschagne
Smith
Head
Mitch Marsh
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Hazelwood
Lyon
 

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I don't think you can play Marsh with Paine providing nothing with the bat. Too big a risk.

I do think Marsh's bowling would be more than handy, though - provided he would actually be used.
 

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3 changes screams of panic. We were 1 wicket away from England completely overhauling their Test side so for us to essentially doing the same would be stupid and probably our undoing.

Mitch Marsh playing suggests we should've brought another batsman as we're basically playing him because there's no one else in reserves. If he plays I doubt he'll bowl more then 5 overs an innings anyway.

If Starc plays I'm guessing the pitch has to be a road? If it's bowler friendly why would he be playing? Are we completely throwing away our bowling strategy based on a single innings in which the batsman was dropped numerous times and an out LBW wasn't given?

The bowling attack in the OP is our bowling lineup from before this series, I thought we'd moved on from this and had a plan to dry up the runs? Apparently not if those rumours are true.
 

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Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus will umpire this test match (and the fifth test). They did the World Cup final together.

No Wilson, Gaffaney or Dar thank goodness!
 
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Kumar Dharmsema and Marais Erasmus will umpire this test match (and the fifth test). They did the World Cup final together.

No Wilson, Gaffaney or Dar thank goodness!
Interesting, they've relegated Palliyaguruge to TV umpire for the next Test in favour of Dharmasena. A bit unfair but probably a good move to give the more experienced umpires the on-field positions given the circumstances.

 

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Rain forecast for the whole test.
How unusual.

Can't believe they're considering Marsh given how poor our batting already is. Don't see any need for the extra bowler, we've got 3 good seamers, a top spinner and a handy part time leggy so I just don't see why you weaken your batting for the extra bowler.
 

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I would only consider Marsh and Starc on flatter wickets with sunny conditions.

There is some merit for picking Marsh while he is in form, but the problem is we always leave him in too long when he isn't in form.
 

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How unusual.

Can't believe they're considering Marsh given how poor our batting already is. Don't see any need for the extra bowler, we've got 3 good seamers, a top spinner and a handy part time leggy so I just don't see why you weaken your batting for the extra bowler.
Wade's batting hasn't really given us much though, 1 good score and 5 fails. They both have a similar batting average, in the 20s...
 

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I don't think you can play Marsh with Paine providing nothing with the bat. Too big a risk.

I do think Marsh's bowling would be more than handy, though - provided he would actually be used.
I just don't see when he would be used. It's not like we've had extended periods where one of our 3 main quicks has bowled more than he should and Lyon hasn't exactly had to bowl more overs than he should to give the quicks a break. I feel like if Marsh is on we'd just be wasting overs that could be bowled by one of the 4 main bowlers.
 

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I just don't see when he would be used. It's not like we've had extended periods where one of our 3 main quicks has bowled more than he should and Lyon hasn't exactly had to bowl more overs than he should to give the quicks a break. I feel like if Marsh is on we'd just be wasting overs that could be bowled by one of the 4 main bowlers.
The English are starting to get on top of lyon and if lyon can't control one end then our 4 bowling strategy completely falls apart.
 

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Marsh in with Paine at 7 is nightmare inducing stuff. The worst #6 to ever play test cricket coupled with a 7 who shouldnt even be there! Smith will bail them out but surely we can all agree going into a test with a tail that starts at 6 isn't the way to go

We don't need an all rounder. It isn't like we've had that much issue taking wickets. Innings aren't going 120+ overs to need to rest guys. Marsh is a terrible decision IMO
 

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The English are starting to get on top of lyon and if lyon can't control one end then our 4 bowling strategy completely falls apart.
Are they though? Lyon looked the most likely to get Stokes out and the majority of their other batsman are out to the quicks before Lyon really has a chance to bowl at them.

Again, we're looking to change all our plans based on one freak innings. We deserve to lose the Ashes if we go down that road, especially when it's going back proven failures.

People talk about Wade failing but he had to grind out runs for over 18 months to get a look in. Marsh has a 70 in a lucky to be FC standard game and people are saying he's earned a chance.
 

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Marsh in with Paine at 7 is nightmare inducing stuff. The worst #6 to ever play test cricket coupled with a 7 who shouldnt even be there! Smith will bail them out but surely we can all agree going into a test with a tail that starts at 6 isn't the way to go

We don't need an all rounder. It isn't like we've had that much issue taking wickets. Innings aren't going 120+ overs to need to rest guys. Marsh is a terrible decision IMO
That lineup is basically Smith + 150.

So if he doesn't make 150 each innings again we'll be a bit of trouble.

don't mind bringing Starc.
 

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That lineup is basically Smith + 150.

So if he doesn't make 150 each innings again we'll be a bit of trouble.

don't mind bringing Starc.
Starc for Pattinson I'm fine with. All Starc really does is clean up the tail but that's what needed to happen last test...
 

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I don't think you can play Marsh with Paine providing nothing with the bat. Too big a risk.

I do think Marsh's bowling would be more than handy, though - provided he would actually be used.
Paine/Langer: 'We're bringing in Marsh and Starc. We think having a 5th seam option will really benefit our strike bowlers and Starc offers something different as a left armer who gets the ball to swing'

Also Paine/Langer: Bowls Marsh 4 overs per innings.

Starc: Bowls short wide trash.
 

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Yeah I wouldn't have had Marsh in the XI but he has scored runs in the tour games surprisingly at 3. It would be a hilarious masterstroke if Marsh bats at 3 and churns out runs.

Anyway the change I would have made is Smith in for Wade.
 

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This morning when I woke up the morning chill was there , even though it was sun outside.
Now we are transitioning into the winter months and the batting is going to be hard .
 
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