Game Day 2019 AFL Draft

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I love the draft by my god that coverage was painfully slow. 3 hours of fart arsing about.
Day 1 was excruciating.

the coverage by the draft panel Twomey and co far better than
The Foxtel coverage.

Day 1:

gil is a toxic bore.
Zero personality.
Struggles with sentences.
That walking thing each time, awful.

their guy King is so full of himself.

learn lessons from day 2:

far far better. Kevin Sheehan cares about the kids drafted not about his ego.

great knowledge and it’s about the kids.

Stephen hocking and his helper later rounds were non walkers and can read sentences and names clearly.

more of day two and NO Gil.
Simple
 

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Day 1 was excruciating.

the coverage by the draft panel Twomey and co far better than
The Foxtel coverage.

Day 1:

gil is a toxic bore.
Zero personality.
Struggles with sentences.
That walking thing each time, awful.

their guy King is so full of himself.

learn lessons from day 2:

far far better. Kevin Sheehan cares about the kids drafted not about his ego.

great knowledge and it’s about the kids.

Stephen hocking and his helper later rounds were non walkers and can read sentences and names clearly.

more of day two and NO Gil.
Simple
Gil is a dill
 

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2019 trade and draft summary

2018 - (2019 first round pick)


Beams trade

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Brisbane receives - 2020 1st (PA), 29 (33) Brock Smith, 71 (59) Jaxon Prior
Port receives - 16 (18) Mitch Georgiades, 52, 55, 57

* I haven't checked what Port done with their picks


2019 - 4 players, 7 trades

Cameron trade

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Sydney receives - 32 Elijah Taylor, 2020 3rd (Freo), 76 (68) on-traded to Port
St Kilda receives - Zac Jones, 2020 4th (Syd)

Sydney receives - 61 on-traded to Brisbane
Port receives - 65, 76 (68)

Sydney receives - 38 Chad Warner, 2020 3rd (BL)
Brisbane receives - 47, 61

* I haven't checked if StK, Port or BL on-traded what they received

Aish trade

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Fremantle receives - 52, 55 points for Liam Henry
Port receives - 66, 69, 2020 2nd (Freo)

Fremantle receives - 28 on traded to Melb, 2020 4th (Car) on traded to Melb, 49 points for Henry
Adelaide receives - 22, 2020 3rd Collingwood

Fremantle receives - 8 Caleb Serong
Melbourne receives - 10, 28, 2020 4th (Car)

* I haven't checked if Port, Adel or Melb on-traded what they received

Pick swap with Brisbane (we later swapped both picks received out again - trade #5 Haw, trade #7 GWS)

Our 2020 2nd round pick basically became:

  • Bianco and a downgrade of the 2020 second round pick tied to St Kilda to one tied to Richmond
  • An upgrade from a 2020 fourth round pick (ours or St Kilda's) to a 2020 third round pick (GWS or NM). I'm not sure which were traded here.

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Brisbane receives - 22 Devon Robertson, 2020 4th (GWS)
GWS receives - 23, 2020 2nd (Coll)

Pick swap with GWS (later used to draft Ruscoe)

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Our first selection at the draft, a pick that was originally ours and the only one that wasn't traded around

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Back to shuffling picks, this time selecting Bianco amongst the trades and Ruscoe at the end

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I would have thought that was obvious......
He's not Shaun Burgoyne or Robert Harvey now is he?
Missing 2 consecutive years at his age via the same injury...the body is telling you something.

Even on this board thinks Reid is cooked at 30---if Reid is cooked then Dunn is charcoal burnt.
So you actually have no idea and are just putting a guess out there as some sort of fact, gotcha.
 

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2019 trade and draft summary

2018 - (2019 first round pick)


Beams trade

View attachment 787261

Brisbane receives - 2020 1st (PA), 29 (33) Brock Smith, 71 (59) Jaxon Prior
Port receives - 16 (18) Mitch Georgiades, 52, 55, 57

* I haven't checked what Port done with their picks


2019 - 4 players, 7 trades

Cameron trade

View attachment 787267

Sydney receives - 32 Elijah Taylor, 2020 3rd (Freo), 76 (68) on-traded to Port
St Kilda receives - Zac Jones, 2020 4th (Syd)

Sydney receives - 61 on-traded to Brisbane
Port receives - 65, 76 (68)

Sydney receives - 38 Chad Warner, 2020 3rd (BL)
Brisbane receives - 47, 61

* I haven't checked if StK, Port or BL on-traded what they received

Aish trade

View attachment 787263

Fremantle receives - 52, 55 points for Liam Henry
Port receives - 66, 69, 2020 2nd (Freo)

Fremantle receives - 28 on traded to Melb, 2020 4th (Car) on traded to Melb, 49 points for Henry
Adelaide receives - 22, 2020 3rd Collingwood

Fremantle receives - 8 Caleb Serong
Melbourne receives - 10, 28, 2020 4th (Car)

* I haven't checked if Port, Adel or Melb on-traded what they received

Pick swap with Brisbane (we later swapped both picks received out again - trade #5 Haw, trade #7 GWS)

Our 2020 2nd round pick basically became:

  • Bianco and a downgrade of the 2020 second round pick tied to St Kilda to one tied to Richmond
  • An upgrade from a 2020 fourth round pick (ours or St Kilda's) to a 2020 third round pick (GWS or NM). I'm not sure which were traded here.

View attachment 787262

Brisbane receives - 22 Devon Robertson, 2020 4th (GWS)
GWS receives - 23, 2020 2nd (Coll)

Pick swap with GWS (later used to draft Ruscoe)

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Our first selection at the draft, a pick that was originally ours and the only one that wasn't traded around

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Back to shuffling picks, this time selecting Bianco amongst the trades and Ruscoe at the end

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Really terrific work here.

appreciated.

gives a good sketch of all the manouvering.

(be wonderful if we knew what we’d have done at the different picks we had. But happy with what we’ve got.)
 

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We cannot ignore that he did blow the second one almost straight away in an innocuous manner, after having one of the strongest grafts Julian Feller has ever seen put in.

He's now 33 and coming off back to back ACL's - it normally it takes a footballer maybe 18 months to start getting back to their best football after just one ACL so the clock is definitely against him now. He perhaps should be looking to slim down a bit to take the load off his legs and give himself the best chance of staying upright, but it doesn't look like that is happening either from the recent pics I've seen, as he's still a gorilla.

I'm not saying he's definitely cooked, but he is certainly pushing a barrel uphill at the moment in terms of making it back to productive AFL football.
Just shows a "strong graft" is no greater guarantee they'll take. Not sure why the first 1 failed but he was (apparently) looking good in the lead up to that VFL practice game. Maybe it wasn't the graft, but the attachment of it.

I'm not sure how he's going on his return from this 1 although he's apparently running strongly, or if he'll make a full recovery in time to stake a claim, or if he'll get redrafted, but I object to ridiculous comments like "he's cooked" based on no evidence.

When he did his 1st he was arguably 1 of if not the best 1v1 KPD in the league. If he was to get redrafted, could he get back to anything like that? I don't know. Time will tell.
 

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Really terrific work here.

appreciated.

gives a good sketch of all the manouvering.

(be wonderful if we knew what we’d have done at the different picks we had. But happy with what we’ve got.)
The trading of Essendon's 2020 third rounder hinted at something more. Not just the club's tweet, but also that the draft was still progressing through the late twenties when the deal was done and it left us with one additional pick. The obvious thing would be a belief that we could package two picks and move up the order, however you'd think we'd be smart enough to have that next deal locked in.
 

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Like most number 1s he will likely not be the best player of his draft pool, and will fall back into the pack once he mixes with bigger elite athletes.
The point is that at 178cm he was still considered the best player in the draft. How he turns out is irrelevant. If height was an issue do you think he would have gone number 1?

The poster I was responding to was making an issue of Bianco’s height.
 

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Our backline 5 years ago was

Sinclair Frost Ramsay
Lumumba Keeffe Langdon.

Only 1 player has survived from then. 5 years is a ridiculously long time in Football, it's hard enough to predict what our defence will look like in 2021 !
To be fair that was a pretty ordinary backline in an ordinary team that was on the wane, so it's a poor example imo. Not a surprise that the majority of those players no longer around.
 

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Our backline 5 years ago was

Sinclair Frost Ramsay
Lumumba Keeffe Langdon.

Only 1 player has survived from then. 5 years is a ridiculously long time in Football, it's hard enough to predict what our defence will look like in 2021 !
I think you’re being a touch cheeky here given you’ve taken that from late 2014 when we were absolutely cooked. At that time Ramsay had played 2 matches and wasn’t ahead of Williams. Toovey was also in that mix. Then we have Brown injured.
 

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So you actually have no idea and are just putting a guess out there as some sort of fact, gotcha.
lol having a guess? Mate the odds are well and truly stacked against him and for us as club—we should play the odds and move on.
We don’t need Dunn and it’s 12 months wasted if we do take him

I think you’re kidding yourself if you think he can have any meaningful contribution
 

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So you actually have no idea and are just putting a guess out there as some sort of fact, gotcha.
It’s an extremely safe “guess” if you ask me. There hasn’t been an example of a guy doing two knees at 30+ in recent history and it’s generally 18 months before you get back to anywhere near your best (which he won’t at his age). Playing the odds on this one is well in HFF’s favour.

It’s clearly an insurance move so the argument has to be did we think we didn’t have enough cover with Murphy, Madgen, Keane and Ruscoe or was there a dearth of options on the board? Not whether he’s cooked. My guess is it was the latter.

Looking another way we all know 2020 is the last season for Reid, Dunn and most likely Madgen. Twelve months from now we know what role Ruscoe will settle into. Let’s say it’s down back and we then bring a KPF in with our first pick then match a bid on Reef with later picks. I think that spreads our KP group well and even though retaining Dunn was the wrong call, IMO, it is not such a big deal to drag across several pages of a thread.
 

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Like most number 1s he will likely not be the best player of his draft pool, and will fall back into the pack once he mixes with bigger elite athletes.
I think it's less likely with this kid than in a normal year - I reckon he'll be as good, if not better than Walsh, as he's such a natural footballer with speed and endurance who can hit the scoreboard and shows up in big games. He's also not one of those cases of a early developer playing a "man against boys" type of game, which is something you often see with top end draft picks who end up not being quite as good at AFL level.

The big challenge for him is probably his best mate who is a bit more raw in terms of skill, but has the physical attributes to be something special.
 

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It’s an extremely safe “guess” if you ask me. There hasn’t been an example of a guy doing two knees at 30+ in recent history and it’s generally 18 months before you get back to anywhere near your best (which he won’t at his age). Playing the odds on this one is well in HFF’s favour.

It’s clearly an insurance move so the argument has to be did we think we didn’t have enough cover with Murphy, Madgen, Keane and Ruscoe or was there a dearth of options on the board? Not whether he’s cooked. My guess is it was the latter.

Looking another way we all know 2020 is the last season for Reid, Dunn and most likely Madgen. Twelve months from now we know what role Ruscoe will settle into. Let’s say it’s down back and we then bring a KPF in with our first pick then match a bid on Reef with later picks. I think that spreads our KP group well and even though retaining Dunn was the wrong call, IMO, it is not such a big deal to drag across several pages of a thread.
I'm pretty sure that he was told before the drafts, so it didn't come down to who was available for KPD cover. As long as they set him a pretty high bar for the March supplemental signing, it's an ok move in my book.
 

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For those already keen on 2020 draft prospects here is the Knightmare Top 20 prospects in alphabetical order.

check out ESPN links for other footy stuff with our very own KM.

  • I am also just taking a copy paste job from the link of Reef McInnes our highly touted next generation academy player. He does look the goods.


Reef McInnes (Collingwood Next-Generation Academy)

A tall midfielder at 191cm, McInnes will be hoping for greater midfield opportunities for Oakleigh in 2020 after spending most of the year in defence due to their sheer depth of quality midfielders. McInnes when used through the midfield is a strong contested ball-winner who wins the ball cleanly off the bounce, has agility, demonstrates composure with the ball, and has quick and clean hands. The bonus with Reef is he also has the versatility to push forward and provide a marking option.
 

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For those already keen on 2020 draft prospects here is the Knightmare Top 20 prospects in alphabetical order.

check out ESPN links for other footy stuff with our very own KM.

  • I am also just taking a copy paste job from the link of Reef McInnes our highly touted next generation academy player. He does look the goods.


Reef McInnes (Collingwood Next-Generation Academy)

A tall midfielder at 191cm, McInnes will be hoping for greater midfield opportunities for Oakleigh in 2020 after spending most of the year in defence due to their sheer depth of quality midfielders. McInnes when used through the midfield is a strong contested ball-winner who wins the ball cleanly off the bounce, has agility, demonstrates composure with the ball, and has quick and clean hands. The bonus with Reef is he also has the versatility to push forward and provide a marking option.
Thilthorpe and McInnes would be the pipe dream for me.
 

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