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TheBrownDog
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PhatHQ, you are entirely right, as is killerspud.
The AFL is Consistency skewing the draft and changing the rules to benefit the expansion clubs. This is not in question. My question to you PhatHQ is: how many premierships have they won? I would propose the idea that the Hawks 3 peat was helped by the introduction of these new clubs due to the talent drain actually helping us as we cherry picked players from other teams to help us win flags. The introduction of the GCS and GWS helped us.

killerspud: only time will tell be I also think Sharp Is worth a 2020 pick 11.
i dont agree, those mythical clubs Which could have challenged us also had access to recruit smith, puopolo, hill, stratton, bruest etcetc
 

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PhatHQ

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PhatHQ, you are entirely right, as is killerspud.
The AFL is Consistency skewing the draft and changing the rules to benefit the expansion clubs. This is not in question. My question to you PhatHQ is: how many premierships have they won? I would propose the idea that the Hawks 3 peat was helped by the introduction of these new clubs due to the talent drain actually helping us as we cherry picked players from other teams to help us win flags. The introduction of the GCS and GWS helped us.

killerspud: only time will tell be I also think Sharp Is worth a 2020 pick 11.
The foundation of those premierships we’re through the draft.
The draft should not be compromised to the extent it has to prop up a failing expansion club. 1 priority pick at the end of the first rd is reasonable.
My personal view is that every team should get two rounds to draft top end talent then concessions introduced after that.
GC could have been given multiple picks to start the 3rd & 4th rds that they could have traded to teams looking for points, been given an extra 10 players on their primary/rookie list, increased the salary cap short term to cherry pick the likes of Crouch, Elliot & Cogs & taken the soft cap completely out of the equation for the next 5 years.
The AFL can afford to prop up a club on its own in a variety of ways without stuffing up a draft process for top end talent.

Extra list numbers to stockpile & develop talent, better facilities & coaching & support staff & an injection of top end free agency players is more than enough.

Given these other allowances GC could have possibly retained Jack Martin, picked up both Cogs & Crouch, made a play for the best coach in the AFL.... yes.

(20/11 draft order)

Rowell
Weightman
Sharpe

rd 3 concessions
Bianco
Ralphsmith/Riccardi

rd 4 concessions
Cahill
Morris

That is still 3 top 20 picks & a solid late draft combination without doing a ridiculous deal with a future first that will set a president for the devaluation of draft picks.
 

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Seems we are recruiting contested marking forwards and backs that can kick quite well.
If we are going to stop kicking to the pockets and/or to cause a spill in the forward 50 the future isnt going to need as many small forward.
Then add speed
Everything is saying keepings off will be back, but now with contested marking and zone breaking very long kicks and fast run and carry

I imagine the long bomb chaos ball will still be there for Pops Breust and Nash
 

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TheBrownDog
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In our recent strong period, our great mids werent blessed with speed or noted goalkickers. ( maybe they could have been goalkickers but our plan was more to use hodge and mitch on half back setting up plays. We also needed outside run from other players

maybe in this iteration, the mids can go forward more, and three small forwards not needed so much
 

Jason Dunstall

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Not relevent to us, but I'm in hospital and the bloke next to me told me that a mate of his has a son that the Demons had commited to as a rookie, but have since told him it won't be happening as they will take Harley Benall.
Interesting to see if it plays out.

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TheBrownDog
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Not relevent to us, but I'm in hospital and the bloke next to me told me that a mate of his has a son that the Demons had commited to as a rookie, but have since told him it won't be happening as they will take Harley Benall.
Interesting to see if it plays out.

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hope everything goes well for you and the guy
 

Milkshaker

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Seems we are recruiting contested marking forwards and backs that can kick quite well.
If we are going to stop kicking to the pockets and/or to cause a spill in the forward 50 the future isnt going to need as many small forward.
Then add speed
Everything is saying keepings off will be back, but now with contested marking and zone breaking very long kicks and fast run and carry

I imagine the long bomb chaos ball will still be there for Pops Breust and Nash
This is how I see it too. Hoping for a dry winter and more games at Marvel in the future. ;)

Out of interest how many players in the best 22 have limited marking ability?
 

Judd2Sewell

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i dont agree, those mythical clubs Which could have challenged us also had access to recruit smith, puopolo, hill, stratton, bruest etcetc
Agreed. I think it made it harder because all of our picks became the worst, and we weren't able to draft great young talent to replenish. We were forced to look at other avenues, and we happened to do it better than anyone else.
 

Nugett

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Any other club would be dragged over the coals if they did the same but not GC.
If it were Melbourne or Carlton offloading a mid first round pick for pick 27 & steak knives, we would be having a field day about how stupid the clubs would be.
I stand by my comments KS sorry mate... ridiculous from the AFL to sign off on & further skew club equalisation.
Gold Coast can rest easy, as they have the AFL backing them up. Who’s to say next year, if they finish bottom again, that the AFL won’t grant them picks 1 and 2 again next year? Gold Coast is allowed to fail, because it gets rewarded for it.
 

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TheBrownDog
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Agreed. I think it made it harder because all of our picks became the worst, and we weren't able to draft great young talent to replenish. We were forced to look at other avenues, and we happened to do it better than anyone else.
and had we got decent compo for Buddy, Bont might be a Hawk today
 

The Chad and I

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Just looking over the trade/draft outcomes and realised it's easy to forget how well the club has done.
Losing out of Coniglio made everything else feel underwhelming, especially with the slightly unexpcted selection of Will Day, but the closer I looked at the changes and selections, the more I realised how good we have done.

Patton & Frost are likely to play in the best 22 - cost us next to nothing.
Then we picked up 2 first round-rated players in Day and Maginness, paying significantly under the expected value for the latter.
Traded back into next season's second round.
Picked up Jeka as a rookie - who was projected as a likely top 10-20 pick before his injury.

The only club I am envious of is Fremantle's haul of 3 top ten picks.
They've done really well out of losing B.Hill and Langdon, while bringing in Aish & Acres - then adding Young, Serong and Henry.
5 players who will make a big impact for them.

I'm quite pleased overall in the way we have brought in ready made senior players and fresh talent, while we still have our 1st and 2nd picks for next season!
 

PenAndPaperJosh

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Here's how I rank the draft hauls from what I've seen of the players. Admittedly there were a few that I haven't seen anything of so basically just gauged it on the players I knew & then from what I've read on the others. I think we have done well but definitely think there were a fair few teams that did better than us on the players exposed form so far.


Gold Coast
Fremantle
Port
Sydney
Adelaide
GWS
Geelong
Hawks
Brisbane
Melbourne
Carlton
Richmond
Essendon
Bulldogs
Collingwood
North
West Coast/Saints
 

AlwaysHawks15

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List being set up to counter the media faves. 2008 the media couldn't see past the cats fast movement, meanwhile we had skill to counter it (and the teams who copied them)

Now We are setting up a list that will counter the tigers game plan
Yep, can't cause chaos if the other team is denying you the opportunity by marking everything. Fast ball movement and clunking marks is were we are going with the game plan. And if we don't mark it we are creating enough physical presence to make it difficult to win the ball back.
 

HawkXNtric

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Just saw on the AFL website that the 3rd round pick we traded in for 2020 is actually tied to Essendon, not Brisbane or Collingwood. That makes next year's selections look a little better...

Traded in:
- Round two pick (tied to North Melbourne)
- Round three pick (tied to Essendon, on-traded by Collingwood, Brisbane)
- Round four pick (tied to Western Bulldogs)

Traded out:
- Round two pick to Melbourne

If North finish outside of the eight it means our 2nd rounder should be mid-20ish, while we will also have a pair of 3rd round picks. We could only hope that Essendon finish towards the lower end of the ladder, meaning their 3rd round might come in early-40ish. Definitely gives us a bit of flexibility to accumulate points for our own NGA prospect or to trade to other clubs keen to access picks for their own FS/NGA selections.
 

TAITA

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Here's how I rank the draft hauls from what I've seen of the players. Admittedly there were a few that I haven't seen anything of so basically just gauged it on the players I knew & then from what I've read on the others. I think we have done well but definitely think there were a fair few teams that did better than us on the players exposed form so far.


Gold Coast
Fremantle
Port
Sydney
Adelaide
GWS
Geelong
Hawks
Brisbane
Melbourne
Carlton
Richmond
Essendon
Bulldogs
Collingwood
North
West Coast/Saints
So, you are basically saying "I'm three parts ignorant and pissing in the wind" however based on my lack of knowledge and my occasional superior name recognition this is the complete and ultimate assessment of all teams drafting?
 

HODGEYROAD

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Didn’t the club say we’re striving for 2 premierships by 2022?? I back the club like others on here to get it done!! Can’t wait, even just one in that time would do.
Yeah the club said 2 by the end of 2022 in the plan, going to be an almighty task to win a Premiership this year or go back to back in 21 & 22 to achieve it.
 

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