Review 2019 AFL National Draft

hilly

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So my two cents worth.... a curate's egg, good in parts, and concerning in others. First off, like Groin Guru I hope Comben, Mahony and Perez each play 200 games, and leave me regretting ever making this post, but! I just don't like some of the decision-making...

The Good:

1. The trade with Essendon - gave up little this year, given we were taking Walker as DFA and therefore 47 was no loss, and the shift back to 35 didn't have any material downside
2. Mahony at 34 - he might not have pace, but Champion Data has him ranked 14 (third highest rank player at the 2019 national champs), so at 34, he has to be considered a good deal, an obviously fills a structural gap.

The Maybe:

3. Comben - had a good year, but injury prone and still needs to grow a tad for genuine ruck height. However, even if you wanted him, why take him as our first pick - Melbourne (next in line) were never going to take him having opted for Jackson, and the Brisbane list doesn't need a ruck (Martin, McInerney and two ruck rookies).

The Inexplicable:

4. Perez - I hope the kid brains it, I really do. The issue here isn't the boy, but the club's decision-making; they've passed on a known quantity - Elijah Taylor, an All Australian - on someone who no-one can be sure of, because he hasn't been seen in 12 months, and the 'vibe' on which the hunch is based is one celebrity game (his stats for Bendigo as an under-ager don't leap out). I know all about recruiter's instincts etc etc, but it's also a business and I can't see any serious business taking a risk on an unknown quantity when a known product is the alternative.

And I'm not sure about others, but watching the North room in action had a whiff of panic about it
Lol E.Taylor known quantity. Some real concerns about his application.

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Quick questioncan we have non-listed players train at the club over the pre-season with thought to take them in the SPP if one of our players was to go down with a long term injury?

There was a bit of talent left on the shelf last night....it would be good if we could get any of the following talented youngsters down to the club to either train with the senior side or perhaps get listed with the VFL side.

I’m talking about kids like: Darcy Cassar, Lachlan Stapleton, Daniel Mott, Darcy Chirgwin, Dyson Hilder, Ben Kelly or Karl Finlay.

Tyrone Thorne or Jai Jackson could be raw recruits for the VFL who could develop in that small forward role.

Considering our losses in the VFL side it would be ideal if we could get someone like Partington to the club. A player who genuinely could get picked up in the SPP or mid season draft and have an immediate impact.
 

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In all honesty, I think people get way to hyped up over high draft picks. 2 of our most promising young forwards, ‘Larkey’ (Pick 73) and ‘Zurhaar’ (Rookie Draft) prove that there is plenty of talent to be found. That being said, if Melbourne could do us a favour and suck ass again, that would be splendid.

On a side note;
In regards to the “Journalist” who rated us a C, how can you rate a draft before the players have even stepped foot on the field? For all we know, Matt Rowell might turn out to be the next Jack Watts.
 
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ferball

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In all honesty, I think people get way to hyped up over high draft picks. 2 of our most promising young forwards, ‘Larkey’ (Pick 73) and ‘Zurhaar’ (Rookie Draft) prove that there is plenty of talent to be found. That being said, if Melbourne could do us a favour and suck ass again, that would be splendid.

On a side note;
In regards to the “Journalist” who rated us a C, how can you rate a draft before the players have even stepped foot on the field? For all we know, Matt Rowell might turn out to be the next Jack Watts.
Ben Brown missed 2 drafts and went in the 40s. Your namesake went in the 40s. LT went in the 50s.
 

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He was taken by Sydney with application issues? .......yeah, maybe
Pretty sure the point being made is that no draftees are known quantities when it comes to how they will go in AFL, and that every player who has dropped to the 30s and been overlooked by many clubs had identified shortcomings.
 

The Filth Wizard

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Wells turned back the clock.

Turned Kelly into Cooper Stephens, Sam De Koning and Cam Taheney.

They also hold 3 x first rounders next year including a locked in #11, which may end up better than the Melbourne pick.
Is it a locked in pick 11? It still drifts as much as any pick before it when there's bids prior as far as I'd heard (ie. it's the pick before the team that finished 8th).
 

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Is it a locked in pick 11? It still drifts as much as any pick before it when there's bids prior as far as I'd heard (ie. it's the pick before the team that finished 8th).
Correct,

Should of worded it better, its locked in at #11 pre-draft, as it doesn't float with a ladder finish.
 

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In all honesty, I think people get way to hyped up over high draft picks. 2 of our most promising young forwards, ‘Larkey’ (Pick 73) and ‘Zurhaar’ (Rookie Draft) prove that there is plenty of talent to be found. That being said, if Melbourne could do us a favour and suck ass again, that would be splendid.

On a side note;
In regards to the “Journalist” who rated us a C, how can you rate a draft before the players have even stepped foot on the field? For all we know, Matt Rowell might turn out to be the next Jack Watts.
Tend to agree.......watching clubs try to trade up or down or matching points or bidding just to buy time detracted from the point of the night being the kids.. for me the highlight of both nights were the interviews and how composed and mature the kids were...not watching 10 guys in a room trying to work out what algorithm they needed to calculate their next move.

Journalists have as much idea about the quality of drafting as I do. Half of them look like they are just out of uni and have probably been watching footy less than you and I...
 

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so summary re-cap for my pea-brain!

Currently on the website: 36 senior list and 3 Rookie listed players.

Traded In: Aiden Boner
Drafted In: Flynn Perez
Jack Mahony
Charlie Comben
Listed: Josh Walker

Aren't these 5 all senior list taking us to 41 players? Max 40 allowed? What am i doing wrong?

Rookie listed cat B: Matt McGuiness

Does this mean we can still list 3 more rookies?
Can Cat B rookies play seniors like normal rookie listed players?
 

hilly

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Tend to agree.......watching clubs try to trade up or down or matching points or bidding just to buy time detracted from the point of the night being the kids.. for me the highlight of both nights were the interviews and how composed and mature the kids were...not watching 10 guys in a room trying to work out what algorithm they needed to calculate their next move.

Journalists have as much idea about the quality of drafting as I do. Half of them look like they are just out of uni and have probably been watching footy less than you and I...
Agree about the kids being drafted but some of the questions..

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so summary re-cap for my pea-brain!

Currently on the website: 36 senior list and 3 Rookie listed players.

Traded In: Aiden Boner
Drafted In: Flynn Perez
Jack Mahony
Charlie Comben
Listed: Josh Walker

Aren't these 5 all senior list taking us to 41 players? Max 40 allowed? What am i doing wrong?

Rookie listed cat B: Matt McGuiness

Does this mean we can still list 3 more rookies?
Can Cat B rookies play seniors like normal rookie listed players?
We started the year 39 and 5
Next year we will be 40 and 4
 

The acurate one

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Perez is decent.

Just don’t know how you pick him over Rivers when available given they play in similar positions.

No idea why we needed Comben with Brown, Larkey, Wood and Hosie

And potentially McKay and Daw on the list.


Mahoney is fine. No issue with that pick.
We probably feel Perez has the higher ceiling.

McKay is probably more likely not to make it, "as he's not very coachable".
Daw is 28 and on the comeback trail after only one decent season in ten years. And I'm a huge fan.

I don't pretend to know anything about which players we should draft, i watch absolutely no under age footy.I appreciate your knowledge in this space and follow your thoughts during this period. In saying that I just watched the Comben highlights and one of the things we're doing is bringing in guys with elite type skills, whether that be endurance, agility or whatever.

At 199cm an agile ruck/fwd with solid skills, pace and the ability to do the what is often the hardest thing for big guys, that being strong overhead. From what I just watched I cannot believe he was still available at our pick. Oh I now do he's been injured for the last 10 years.lol.




"MEET the kid the scouts have started calling 'Mr Upside'.

Charlie Comben hadn't played much footy before this season. That wasn't his choice, it was something forced upon him by a cruel and unavoidable string of unfortunate injuries.

>> The 2019 NAB AFL Draft runs from November 27-28. Follow all the latest news in the draft hub

But when the 199cm key forward finally returned to the park earlier this year and began to get some much-needed game time under his belt, his raw talent and sheer athleticism came to the fore".



Hosie is 189cm, Wood 192cm not really the same type of player as Comben I'd have thought. Yes we do have Brown and Larkey although I see Comben as a ruck/fwd, bit like Daw as a KPD/ruck.

Am comfortable with our though processes during the trade period, what I'm seeing is upside, not sliders because they're a tad slow or poorly skilled or not great football thinkers.

The types I just mentioned keep you mired in mediocrity and we've had a full house now for far to long. imo of course.
 

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Am comfortable with our though processes during the trade period, what I'm seeing is upside, not sliders because they're a tad slow or poorly skilled or not great football thinkers.

The types I just mentioned keep you mired in mediocrity and we've had a full house now for far to long. imo of course.
In the same vein, I've noticed over the last couple of drafts we've been more aggressive with delistings (Mountford, Hibberd, Hrovat, Wagner, Hartung etc.) and trades (Clarke), while punting more on 'upside' of draftees. It's like we are very conscious that the draft is a lottery and the strategy is to get as many tickets as possible hoping to luck into 'steals' and quickly cycle through the guys that are just ok. Then we also pick guys who are more 'unknown' due to injury (Simpkin, Comben, Perez, Mahony), being off the radar (NEAFL) or code-switching (Walker). If it doesn't work out, just take another speculative 3rd round pick in 2 years. If it does, you've got a bargain and a keeper. Not a bad approach in my view as long as all the young guys coming through know where they stand.
 

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We probably feel Perez has the higher ceiling.

McKay is probably more likely not to make it, "as he's not very coachable".
Daw is 28 and on the comeback trail after only one decent season in ten years. And I'm a huge fan.

I don't pretend to know anything about which players we should draft, i watch absolutely no under age footy.I appreciate your knowledge in this space and follow your thoughts during this period. In saying that I just watched the Comben highlights and one of the things we're doing is bringing in guys with elite type skills, whether that be endurance, agility or whatever.

At 199cm an agile ruck/fwd with solid skills, pace and the ability to do the what is often the hardest thing for big guys, that being strong overhead. From what I just watched I cannot believe he was still available at our pick. Oh I now do he's been injured for the last 10 years.lol.




"MEET the kid the scouts have started calling 'Mr Upside'.

Charlie Comben hadn't played much footy before this season. That wasn't his choice, it was something forced upon him by a cruel and unavoidable string of unfortunate injuries.

>> The 2019 NAB AFL Draft runs from November 27-28. Follow all the latest news in the draft hub

But when the 199cm key forward finally returned to the park earlier this year and began to get some much-needed game time under his belt, his raw talent and sheer athleticism came to the fore".



Hosie is 189cm, Wood 192cm not really the same type of player as Comben I'd have thought. Yes we do have Brown and Larkey although I see Comben as a ruck/fwd, bit like Daw as a KPD/ruck.

Am comfortable with our though processes during the trade period, what I'm seeing is upside, not sliders because they're a tad slow or poorly skilled or not great football thinkers.

The types I just mentioned keep you mired in mediocrity and we've had a full house now for far to long. imo of course.
I had the conversation with a physio one day in passing about these young kids not just in footy but in sport in general that seem to have such a run on injury. My question being are they put together more fragile? The response to cut a long story short is that genetics, under development, luck and physical immaturity are for the most part the problem. There are some instances where there are underlying structural problems, but not common.
Quite often after 3-4 years of ongoing injuries they tend to bounce back, which makes sense knowing a lot of AFL players that had constant problems early in their career to be injury free later.
Let's hope this kids future is a lot better.
 

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