Review 2019 AFL National Draft

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Event Horizon

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Sep 24, 2002
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I hope the soft, diving dog never plays another game again.
That was more umpire's fault than his I reckon. Brown would have done similar if given a nudge in the dying stages of the game.
But I was more referring to his game turning 10 minutes of footy at Marvel against us early in the season.
 

Rusty Buckets

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Well, I am yet to hear anyone definitely say that players available at pick 8 were standouts this year. Who knows, what the term "even draft" actually means...
I wouldn't know if they were or weren't EH. Maybe Pykie does? I would simply assume that the chances of obtaining an elite talent are much higher at the pointy-end of the draft, as opposed to having middle-of-the-road picks. If the three lads chosen in the 30s become serviceable, role players, I say the recruiters have done well. However, that's not what we need. Put another way, GWS played off in the GF and have added two top-10 talents. How have we closed the gap this off-season?
 

Event Horizon

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 24, 2002
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Arsenal, Victory
I wouldn't know if they were or weren't EH. Maybe Pykie does? I would simply assume that the chances of obtaining an elite talent are much higher at the pointy-end of the draft, as opposed to having middle-of-the-road picks. If the three lads chosen in the 30s become serviceable, role players, I say the recruiters have done well. However, that's not what we need. Put another way, GWS played off in the GF and have added two top-10 talents. How have we closed the gap this off-season?
True. But football is played by players, not draft picks. Bonar was pick 11. Now was given to us for pretty much nothing after just two seasons.
Or take Zurhaar, who wasn't even drafted in his draft year. Now looking like the closest thing we've seen to Arch in a very long time.
Add Ahearn to that. Pick 7 he was.
 

Rusty Buckets

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True. But football is played by players, not draft picks. Bonar was pick 11. Now was given to us for pretty much nothing after just two seasons.
Or take Zurhaar, who wasn't even drafted in his draft year. Now looking like the closest thing we've seen to Arch in a very long time.
You could add Brown and Larkey in making this point EH, and even Dumont (selection 30), who seems terribly underrated by some on here. I suppose in terms of the game-changer that we desperately need, it seems that more often than not, the likes of Bont, Cripps, Dusty, Bud, Pendlebury, Whitfield, Danger etc. come inside 10.
 

Hearts to hearts

Brownlow Medallist
Mar 16, 2001
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Wales, Eastwood, West Ham
You could add Brown and Larkey in making this point EH, and even Dumont (selection 30), who seems terribly underrated by some on here. I suppose in terms of the game-changer that we desperately need, it seems that more often than not, the likes of Bont, Cripps, Dusty, Bud, Pendlebury, Whitfield, Danger etc. come inside 10.
Cripps wasn't top 10 and Dangerfield was just, at 10. Fyfe also picked comfortably outside the top 10. Higher chances but plenty of busts at that level and gems below it.
 

Rusty Buckets

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Cripps wasn't top 10 and Dangerfield was just, at 10. Fyfe also picked comfortably outside the top 10. Higher chances but plenty of busts at that level and gems below it.
Thank you for highlighting my inaccuracy. I'll endeavour to pay closer attention to detail next time. I suspected you would bring up Fyfe, so fair play to you. My intent was to point out the percentages involved in the context of pick 8 or 10 v pick 31 etc.
 

Hearts to hearts

Brownlow Medallist
Mar 16, 2001
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31,306
Melbourne VIC
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North Melbourne
Other Teams
Wales, Eastwood, West Ham
Thank you for highlighting my inaccuracy. I'll endeavour to pay closer attention to detail next time. I suspected you would bring up Fyfe, so fair play to you. My intent was to point out the percentages involved in the context of pick 8 or 10 v pick 31 etc.
I expect the "more often than not" point stands, but there really are quite a few game-changers who have slipped for whatever reason in their draft year. I'd have Steele Sidebottom ahead of Dale Thomas and plenty of other high picks too.
 

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the Ziebull

Brownlow Medallist
Nov 14, 2010
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12,191
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North Melbourne
A lot of people are saying it cost us Serong butthat is incorrect Our pick got pushed back due to the bids on nga players.
The first bid came at 9 after Serong

Serong was the bloke it cost us. Flanders was on the board also

Just hope our first pick next year from the dees is better along with our second pick
 

ferball

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Jul 24, 2015
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I've thought for a little while now that injury is our Moneyball, as in an actual definition of moneyball as players who are systematically undervalued by the market for some reason. Whether it pays off or not, it seems to be a consistent philosophy over the last half dozen years. Higgins, Waite, Hrovat, Ahern, Anderson, Brown, Hayden, Simpkin, Zurhaar, Bonar, Mitch Hibberd, this year's 3 draftees - all had their draft or market value depressed by a history of injury.

Actual Moneyball is pretty rare in footy despite what various media nuffies say. I reckon Richmond do it with kids with perceived temperament or lifestyle concerns, and the dogs did it with a certain kind of midfielder they build their premiership team around (Bont peaking early and perfect timing of Boyd's 1 good month helped too).
Same here actually.
 

Heaps of fun

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 13, 2013
17,371
37,044
AFL Club
North Melbourne
This episode of the AFL Lystics Podcast is really good https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/502312

They're big fans of our draft. Really like Comben and are also Mahony fans.

The two hosts also think we're in a great position for next year. Should be able to exploit the draft considering how many teams will want our picks to get ahead of bids.
 

Event Horizon

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 24, 2002
19,377
8,075
Melbourne
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Other Teams
Arsenal, Victory
You could add Brown and Larkey in making this point EH, and even Dumont (selection 30), who seems terribly underrated by some on here. I suppose in terms of the game-changer that we desperately need, it seems that more often than not, the likes of Bont, Cripps, Dusty, Bud, Pendlebury, Whitfield, Danger etc. come inside 10.
True, except when we get top 10 picks, it's by no means guaranteed. If we look at Hansen, Cunnington, Ziebell and LDU, only Cunnington could be considered elite in his position or a game changer. With LDU still having time on his side of course.
 

Heaps of fun

Brownlow Medallist
Sep 13, 2013
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37,044
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North Melbourne
True, except when we get top 10 picks, it's by no means guaranteed. If we look at Hansen, Cunnington, Ziebell and LDU, only Cunnington could be considered elite in his position or a game changer. With LDU still having time on his side of course.
Ziebell gets judged way too harshly on here. He's definitely a game changer. He hasn't become the star of the competition we might have hoped he is but he's a serious impact player that can disrupt a game up forward or in the midfield. He's another one that could really benefit from a rejigging of our game-plan and style by Rhyce. It's not outlandish to say his best footy could still be ahead of him.
 
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Devington

Norm Smith Medallist
Jun 4, 2013
7,224
12,095
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Ziebell gets judged way too harshly on here. He's definitely a game changer. He hasn't become the star of the competition we might have hoped he is but he's a serious impact player that can disrupt a game up forward or in the midfield. He's another one that could really benefit from a rejigging of our game-plan and style by Rhyce. It's not outlandish to say his best footy could still be ahead of him.
Full preseason for the first time in 10 million years, better gameplan (hopefully by a man not obsessed with mutilating square pegs to fit them in round holes, but lets not get started on that :p), encouraged to use his physicality, riding a wave of club wide positivity and aggression.

Stage is freakin' set!
 

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