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after reading some training reports, I guess I should add Bennell to B22, can't wait for my dreams to be dashed

FB: Ryan Nyhuis/Joel Hamling/Taylin Duman
HB: Nathan Wilson/Alex Pearce/Luke Ryan

C: Bradley Hill/Connor Blakely/Ed Langdon

HF: Michael Walters/Jesse Hogan/Harley Bennell
FF: Rory Lobb/Matthew Taberner/Sam Switkowski

R: Aaron Sandilands/Nathan Fyfe/Stephen Hill

INT: Adam Cerra/Reece Conca/Andrew Brayshaw/David Mundy

EMG: Brett Bewley/Travis Colyer/Bailey Banfield


I think we've got a real group coming through. Our backline could become one of the better ones with more synergy and our forward line while messy has some real firing power in there.

Some notes

-I've got Nyhuis over Hughes. I see a lot more potential in Nyhuis
-I've got Shilly in the guts. Think he can add alot to our midfield. Also considered Walters in that position but I want him kicking goals
-Sandi over Darcy. This is probably Sandi's last year but an extra year of development wouldn't hurt Darcy, especially if he plays away games while Sandi plays at home
-Conca is 100% B22. He's a role player which we need and he can just bully other players if need be. Could be on the HB but I'd like to see him in the middle
-Colyer will probably play round 1 but our small forward depth (Matera/Schultz/Switto) will push him out of the forward line eventually
-Bewley barely doesn't fit. I've got him behind Cerra/Brayshaw/Mundy
-Mundy could be phased out depending on his performance at the start of the year.
-Matera and McCarthy I'm hopeful on. I think McCarthy having better talls around him will help him and I think Matera could do some good stuff
-Tom North and Luke Valente are chasing Banfield's spot for an emergency.
-Sam Sturt will play at some point this year. He might push Walters into the mid, think this kid will be a gun
-Banfield and Crowden will be interesting to watch as with Giro. I think they'll need to put a lot of hard work to make B22 this year
 

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after reading some training reports, I guess I should add Bennell to B22, can't wait for my dreams to be dashed

FB: Ryan Nyhuis/Joel Hamling/Taylin Duman
HB: Nathan Wilson/Alex Pearce/Luke Ryan

C: Bradley Hill/Connor Blakely/Ed Langdon

HF: Michael Walters/Jesse Hogan/Harley Bennell
FF: Rory Lobb/Matthew Taberner/Sam Switkowski

R: Aaron Sandilands/Nathan Fyfe/Stephen Hill

INT: Adam Cerra/Reece Conca/Andrew Brayshaw/David Mundy

EMG: Brett Bewley/Travis Colyer/Bailey Banfield


I think we've got a real group coming through. Our backline could become one of the better ones with more synergy and our forward line while messy has some real firing power in there.

Some notes

-I've got Nyhuis over Hughes. I see a lot more potential in Nyhuis
-I've got Shilly in the guts. Think he can add alot to our midfield. Also considered Walters in that position but I want him kicking goals
-Sandi over Darcy. This is probably Sandi's last year but an extra year of development wouldn't hurt Darcy, especially if he plays away games while Sandi plays at home
-Conca is 100% B22. He's a role player which we need and he can just bully other players if need be. Could be on the HB but I'd like to see him in the middle
-Colyer will probably play round 1 but our small forward depth (Matera/Schultz/Switto) will push him out of the forward line eventually
-Bewley barely doesn't fit. I've got him behind Cerra/Brayshaw/Mundy
-Mundy could be phased out depending on his performance at the start of the year.
-Matera and McCarthy I'm hopeful on. I think McCarthy having better talls around him will help him and I think Matera could do some good stuff
-Tom North and Luke Valente are chasing Banfield's spot for an emergency.
-Sam Sturt will play at some point this year. He might push Walters into the mid, think this kid will be a gun
-Banfield and Crowden will be interesting to watch as with Giro. I think they'll need to put a lot of hard work to make B22 this year
I can't see any mention of Logue. Based on what I've seen at training he'll play if fit and would probably take Duman's spot
 

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I can't see any mention of Logue. Based on what I've seen at training he'll play if fit and would probably take Duman's spot
After missing nearly all year with injury and only playing 13 or so games, Louge is not a walk up start no matter how fit he is. I'd rather Duman any day based on his form at end of last year and Louge should go to peel and put in some solid form before being considered a lock for our best 22...timing is everything and missing out of cashing in on some games last year will affect Louge's chances of getting into the side now.

With our acqistions, if everyone is fit and firing, it should be a team balance approach and play the best player for a given position. Peel will have a lot of good players running around in it this year and I hope we stop gifting games based on where they were drafted and just play those who deserve a game!
 
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Duman has played AFL 10 games, Logue has played 13.

I hardly see picking Logue ahead of Duman as "gifting" him games. I like Duman and he was good in 2018 but I don't see that he made the position his. Logue is a beast now and from what I've seen his training form has been excellent.

When the match committee makes decisions on the round 1 team, pre-season performance will have to be taken into consideration.
 

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FB: Logue Hamling Ryan
HB: Wilson Pearce Duman
C: S Hill Mundy B Hill
HF: Walters Hogan McCarthy
FF: Lobb Taberner Bennell

R: Sandilands Fyfe Blakely

I: Langdon Conca Cerra Brayshaw
 

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I am pretty sure Logue and Duman are not even in direct competition for spots anyway.
Totally agree. They don't have to play the same role to keep each other out of the best 22 though. The decision that I expect effects them both playing or not is if we are better off having a midfielder back in defence. That has been quite standard for us, notably SHill and Blakely, and Ross seems to value their ball winning and run and carry over the input of more pure defenders. And it could be a great development role for Cerra, and potentially where Conca or Bewley may find their way in. So that makes it a little more complicated.
 

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Totally agree. They don't have to play the same role to keep each other out of the best 22 though. The decision that I expect effects them both playing or not is if we are better off having a midfielder back in defence. That has been quite standard for us, notably SHill and Blakely, and Ross seems to value their ball winning and run and carry over the input of more pure defenders. And it could be a great development role for Cerra, and potentially where Conca or Bewley may find their way in. So that makes it a little more complicated.
Ross has always loved having two out and out KPDs plus another intercepting tallish defender e.g. McPharlin, Johnson and Ibbotson. From todays’s list, that combo is closest replicated with Hamling, Pearce and Logue.
 
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Is this controversial?

Tabs or Cox > Lobb.

I watched lots of GWS games last year due to fantasy footy and even though I think Lobb is solid fwd ruck, I still prefer the potential of Cox and Tabs. Cox could be anything as a forward and I rate Tabs more in the air than Lobb. Lobb obviously has them covered as a second ruck and we do need a second ruck because of Darcy's tank. But If we play Sandi(who can ruck alone) I think our forward line looks stronger with Lobb out and Cox and Tabs in.

Bennell Hogan Walters
Switta Tabs Cox
 

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Ross has always loved having two out and out KPDs plus another intercepting tallish defender e.g. McPharlin, Johnson and Ibbotson. From todays’s list, that combo is closest replicated with Hamling, Pearce and Logue.
The like for like for Ibbotson is Ryan I think.

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Player Statistics Comparison​

Garrick IbbotsonNameLuke Ryan
Fremantle DockersTeamFremantle Dockers
DefenderPositionDefender
177Career Games31
East FremantleOriginCoburg
March 15, 1988Date of BirthFebruary 6, 1996
30yr 9mthAge22yr 11mth
186cmHeight186cm
84kgWeight88kg
2005 National DraftLast Drafted In2016 National Draft
Round 2, Pick #26Last Draft PositionRound 4, Pick #66
Fremantle DockersLast Drafted ByFremantle Dockers
CareerStats for SeasonCareer
177Games31
10.8Kicks Per Game12.3
6.2
Handballs Per Game5.1
17.0Disposals Per Game17.3
5.3Marks Per Game6.5
0.1Goals Per Game0.1
0.2Behinds Per Game0
2.0Tackles Per Game2.8
0.1
Hitouts Per Game0

Inside 50s Per Game1.2

Goal Assists Per Game0.1
0.8Frees For Per Game0.7
0.5Frees Against Per Game0.8

Contested Possessions Per Game4.8

Uncontested Possessions Per Game12.4

Effective Disposals Per Game13.9

Disposal Efficiency % Per Game80.3%

Clangers Per Game2.0

Contested Marks Per Game0.4

Marks Inside 50 Per Game0.1

Clearances Per Game0.5

Rebound 50s Per Game4.1

One Percenters Per Game3.5

Bounces Per Game0.1

Time On Ground % Per Game82.7

Centre Clearances Per Game0

Stoppage Clearances Per Game0.4

Score Involvements Per Game2.7

Metres Gained Per Game328.6

Turnovers Per Game4.1

Intercepts Per Game6.3

Tackles Inside 50 Per Game0​
 

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Is this controversial?

Tabs or Cox > Lobb.

I watched lots of GWS games last year due to fantasy footy and even though I think Lobb is solid fwd ruck, I still prefer the potential of Cox and Tabs. Cox could be anything as a forward and I rate Tabs more in the air than Lobb. Lobb obviously has them covered as a second ruck and we do need a second ruck because of Darcy's tank. But If we play Sandi(who can ruck alone) I think our forward line looks stronger with Lobb out and Cox and Tabs in.

Bennell Hogan Walters
Switta Tabs Cox
Legitimate opinion I reckon. But it's a bit like saying if the Australian cricket team didn't play a specialist wicket keeper and played a specialist batsman instead, then our batting would better; True, but the team would be weaker.

We need a second ruck. Sandilands has not played out a season for a long time, and Darcy shouldn't ruck alone.

I also think Lobb will have a very strong impact on our forward line.
 

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Is this controversial?

Tabs or Cox > Lobb.

I watched lots of GWS games last year due to fantasy footy and even though I think Lobb is solid fwd ruck, I still prefer the potential of Cox and Tabs. Cox could be anything as a forward and I rate Tabs more in the air than Lobb. Lobb obviously has them covered as a second ruck and we do need a second ruck because of Darcy's tank. But If we play Sandi(who can ruck alone) I think our forward line looks stronger with Lobb out and Cox and Tabs in.

Bennell Hogan Walters
Switta Tabs Cox
It’s a reasonable question to ask, no chance Lobb gets overlooked for the R1 team though.

Freo will look to stretch teams for height this year, move it quickly and look for the tall mismatch, even if Lobb brings it to ground Ross will be ok with it.

I wonder if Freo might look at playing all 4 of Hogan, Lobb, Cox and Tabs in the side at the same time.

If the rule changes provide a lot more 1v1 marking contests it could happen.
 

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It’s a reasonable question to ask, no chance Lobb gets overlooked for the R1 team though.

Freo will look to stretch teams for height this year, move it quickly and look for the tall mismatch, even if Lobb brings it to ground Ross will be ok with it.

I wonder if Freo might look at playing all 4 of Hogan, Lobb, Cox and Tabs in the side at the same time.

If the rule changes provide a lot more 1v1 marking contests it could happen.
Worked for the eagles, and against the best rucks in the game. Playing two ruckman limited their possession count.
Controlling the air reduces contested possession, makes zoning or guarding space look silly.
If anything maybe we will see more marking contests, and bring back the glory days when key positions were a arm wrestle.
 
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The like for like for Ibbotson is Ryan I think.
Ryan is just as good as Ibbotson at intercepting and reading opposition play. That where the similarities end though. Ryan is an exquisite distributor of the ball from the back line - Ibbotson was at the other end of the spectrum at this (very indecisive indeed; and invariably went sideways or backwards)
 
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It's hard to get an exact read on Lobb's form across 2017-18, as I'm pretty sure he was carrying niggles that were the form hampering type (like back issues) and/or interrupted the preseason.

This year may be a settling in year, but a big burst or two of form would be huge. I'd be giving him every possible opportunity.
 

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Ryan is just as good as Ibbotson at intercepting and reading opposition play. That where the similarities end though. Ryan is an exquisite distributor of the ball from the back line - Ibbotson was at the other end of the spectrum at this (very indecisive indeed; and invariably went sideways or backwards)
Ibbotson and Ryan are almost exactly the same height and weight, and both are intercept defenders who can play tall if required. Ryan a far better distributor, Ibbo did some good jobs on talls when required. Apart from being defenders, neither are significantly like Hamling, Pearce or Logue which is what's being discussed. All three of those are genuine KPD options.
 

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Ryan is just as good as Ibbotson at intercepting and reading opposition play. That where the similarities end though. Ryan is an exquisite distributor of the ball from the back line - Ibbotson was at the other end of the spectrum at this (very indecisive indeed; and invariably went sideways or backwards)
Ibbo could play a lot taller. Was much better at 1v1 contests
 

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Forgetting Banfield?
I tried hard to fit Duman and Banfield in but just couldn’t. In reality they’ll play more games than at least some of the guys in my best 22. Same with Bewley and probably Tucker.

Our depth is fine this year imo - from players 23-30 anyway. Where we might fall down is not having enough A Grade talent and not being as strong from players 16-22 (mainly due to inexperience) than many other clubs. There’s little difference between this group and those just outside the best 22 imo. We simply do not have the depth to cover Fyfe, Walters, probably even Hogan at this stage.
 

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Our depth is fine this year imo - from players 23-30 anyway. Where we might fall down is not having enough A Grade talent and not being as strong from players 16-22 (mainly due to inexperience) than many other clubs. There’s little difference between this group and those just outside the best 22 imo. We simply do not have the depth to cover Fyfe, Walters, probably even Hogan at this stage.
I think we can rate the following as A, or close enough to give A grade a shake;
Fyfe
Walters
Hogan
Bennell
Mundy
Sandilands

Mundy and Sandilands are possibly a bit of a stretch to be considered A grade due to age, but their best is still there. Plus all of the others that I have in this category have significant injury histories in recent times.

Just down a notch I think we can add the following as among the top in the AFL by position;
Lobb
Wilson
Ryan
B Hill
S Hill

I think our strength an optimism is about all the other players on our list rather than the above players. Most of the remaining players still have significant development and upside. Some could nudge A grade sooner rather than later (Cerra, Pearce for example). Won't list them, but there are a good 10+ names.

After that we still have some unknowns in terms of quality, but never the less, players who we can expect to be a good chance of making it (North, Valente, Sturt).

Would love more A grade in the midfield.
 
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