Strategy 2019 - Best 22 & Player Discussion

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Is there really anyone here that isn't aware of yyou's anti-Brayshaw tirade?

Kenny_01 don't worry about his comments on it. He's been peddling this crap since we didn't draft LDU and is in WAY too deep to backtrack now.
No no no no no
It wasn't just LDU that I preferred over Brayshaw, but a number of players & if anybody can name a game (besides a derby as I don't watch the f¥ckers) where he was anything special so I can re-watch it.
My best 22 didn't include him due to team balance, but if I was going more defensive it could.
Just because he is one of ours it doesn't mean he needs to be lauded.
I mean at this point yyou is kinda taking the piss, I dont mind it, its entertaining and funny.
100% serious
 

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No no no no no
It wasn't just LDU that I preferred over Brayshaw, but a number of players & if anybody can name a game (besides a derby as I don't watch the f¥ckers) where he was anything special so I can re-watch it.
My best 22 didn't include him due to team balance, but if I was going more defensive it could.
Just because he is one of ours it doesn't mean he needs to be lauded.

100% serious
You haven't got him in your best 22 because of an irrational hatred towards him. Courage, work ethic and ability he has in spades. Will lead our midfield in the future and win a Brownlow.
 

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You haven't got him in your best 22 because of an irrational hatred towards him. Courage, work ethic and ability he has in spades. Will lead our midfield in the future and win a Brownlow.
I don't hate him at all.
In fact I like him, as he is one of ours & hope he proves me wrong.
As for a Brownlow, I'd love to see it, but I reckon he is closer to Sandover level.
I know most on here adore Andy, but just because he is ours we don't need to look at him with rose coloured glasses.
Anyway, that's the last response by me on this thread.
I've given MY OPINION & I stand by it.
Given that Brayshaw will in all likelihood play the majority of games, I'd love him to star.
 

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I don't hate him at all.
In fact I like him, as he is one of ours & hope he proves me wrong.
As for a Brownlow, I'd love to see it, but I reckon he is closer to Sandover level.
I know most on here adore Andy, but just because he is ours we don't need to look at him with rose coloured glasses.
Anyway, that's the last response by me on this thread.
I've given MY OPINION & I stand by it.
Given that Brayshaw will in all likelihood play the majority of games, I'd love him to star.
You state Banfield has more potential than Brayshaw. Can't take your opinion on Brayshaw seriously with crap like that. ;)
 

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My answer is I reckon Banfield will be the best at that stage with Brayshaw next & Conca probably worn out by then, however who knows if another defensive mid such as Valente becomes one of the top 2.
When did Valente turn into a defensive mid? Is it his dual sided kicking that leads you to that opinion?
 
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I don't hate him at all.
In fact I like him, as he is one of ours & hope he proves me wrong.
As for a Brownlow, I'd love to see it, but I reckon he is closer to Sandover level.
I know most on here adore Andy, but just because he is ours we don't need to look at him with rose coloured glasses.
Anyway, that's the last response by me on this thread.
I've given MY OPINION & I stand by it.
Given that Brayshaw will in all likelihood play the majority of games, I'd love him to star.
Gee mate I don’t know how you come up with that...,I strongly disagree. I think Brayshaw will be A grade.
 

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You state Banfield has more potential than Brayshaw. Can't take your opinion on Brayshaw seriously with crap like that. ;)
The way he justifies it is amazing. Breaking mids down into four groups, placing it what are clearky the wrong groups and calling Brayshaw a defensive mid are just some of the tactics he uses to make sure he isn't in his best 22.

As I said previously putting Banfield and Giro ahead of him is laughable. Actually trying to justify it is even more laughable.
 

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What traits of his would you consider attacking? That's my main criticism of his game.
He is a really well balanced midfielder who can tackle and presure his opponent, as well as find the ball and distribute.

His handballing is creative and good at times but I'd have hoped for more from such a high pick.
His draft pick is a non issue, just as Banfield getting games despite being on the rookie list was a non issue in terms of opportunity last year. Just as Sturt is unlikely to get games this year. It is a weird opinion.

Banfield and Giro will be selected based on their input, as would Brayshaw.
 

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What traits of his would you consider attacking? That's my main criticism of his game. His handballing is creative and good at times but I'd have hoped for more from such a high pick.
Would you call Trent Cotchin or Jack Redden or Jack Macrae defensive mids? What traits of theirs would you consider attacking? Each of those three were key pieces to the midfields of the last three premiers. What they bring is strong accountability both in congestion and on the spread, tackle well (don't miss tackles), poised with ball in hand and generally make good decisions both by hand and foot. I see Brayshaw as a player like Cotchin personally - not super speccy but super important to an effective midfield.
 

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What traits of his would you consider attacking? That's my main criticism of his game. His handballing is creative and good at times but I'd have hoped for more from such a high pick.
Getting the pill first and dishing it out is pretty attacking. Joel Sellwood has had a Stella career doing just that.
 
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I think most people are just on a different wavelength as to their definition of defensive. I dont see being a defensive mid as a bad thing.

Some will think of defensive mids as taggers, some think of them as purely inside, to others, defensive mid means the all-rounder that doesnt everything well and runs both ways but isnt going to win you games bursting out of packs with line-breaking speed or kicking 1-2goals a game.

I think most of us would have AB in the 3rd column. As people have said, his offensive weapon is getting the pill at the bottom of the pack and releasing with a steller handpass which isnt as flashy as the line-breakers. He also happens to be an elite tackler which means people naturally think of him as a "defensive" mid.

The truth is, to be successful, you need at least one "defensive" mid (two-way runner) anyway. The best example is Geelong last year who had 0 accountability in their midfield so they look a million bucks when it goes there way but cant compete with the better teams since Danger, Ablett, Kelly and to a lesser extent Selwood all think that running the other way is too hard.

Lets not forget he was 18 last year and 19 this year...
 
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I think most people are just on a different wavelength as to their definition of defensive. I dont see being a defensive mid as a bad thing.

Some will think of defensive mids as taggers, some think of them as purely inside, to others, defensive mid means the all-rounder that doesnt everything well and runs both ways but isnt going to win you games bursting out of packs with line-breaking speed or kicking 1-2goals a game.

I think most of us would have AB in the 3rd column. As people have said, his offensive weapon is getting the pill at the bottom of the pack and releasing with a stella handpass which isnt as flashy as the line-breakers. He also happens to be an elite tackler which means people naturally think of him as a "defensive" mid.

The truth is, to be successful, you need at least one "defensive" mid (two-way runner) anyway. The best example is Geelong last year who had 0 accountability in their midfield so they look a million bucks when it goes there way but cant compete with the better teams since Danger, Ablett, Kelly and too a lesser extent Selwood all think that running the other way is too hard.

Lets not forget he was 18 last year and 19 this year...
Related to this, I think the hyper "defence" we were producing a couple of seasons ago is very attacking.
 

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I followed Angus Brayshaw very closely and his first couple of seasons mirrored Andy to some extent. Very courageous, strong at the footy but not what you would call an attacking weapon - in fact if you compare his statistics for year one versus Andy they are very similar. Last year, in his third year he was third in the Brownlow.

Give Andy a couple of years to develop into the player he WILL be before judging a 19 year old.
 

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I followed Angus Brayshaw very closely and his first couple of seasons mirrored Andy to some extent. Very courageous, strong at the footy but not what you would call an attacking weapon - in fact if you compare his statistics for year one versus Andy they are very similar. Last year, in his third year he was third in the Brownlow.

Give Andy a couple of years to develop into the player he WILL be before judging a 19 year old.
Yes, there is a similarity, and as brothers with similar attitudes it is a pretty reasonable comparison. I really cannot see any basis for not thinking that Brayshaw can be as good as Brayshaw, and vice versa. In addition to the stats comparison, in character and attitude he rates at the high end as well. In that particular draft he was perhaps preferred to others as he projected as more of a sure bet than, say LDU or Cerra for various reason.

The club may have used a little draft day strategy to get both Brayshaw and Cerra.
 

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Brayshaw reminds me of Scott West. Assuming no bad injuires, he's going to spend years grinding it out in the engine room getting the ball to the likes of Walters, Langdon, Cerra and Sturt on the outside who will then be hitting Hogan on the tit.

He'll end up being just as good as Neale at extraction but will be better at sticking a tackle.
 

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I can't be arsed looking it up but I am sure Andy was decent at speedy breaks from packs in the u18s. He is not slow (ran a 3s). That's all you need really. Quality extractor, accumulator and tackler who can burst from a pack when the opportunity opens up. That is pretty much Clayton Oliver.
 

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I can't be arsed looking it up but I am sure Andy was decent at speedy breaks from packs in the u18s. He is not slow (ran a 3s). That's all you need really. Quality extractor, accumulator and tackler who can burst from a pack when the opportunity opens up. That is pretty much Clayton Oliver.
Pretty sure he is a sub-3 second sprinter, also top of class repeat sprinting, top level endurance etc. He has great athletic pedigree with great work ethic, kicking is a only a bit above average but my expectation is within a year he will start to clock up high possessions and kilometres and do lots of strong work around the packs all day long.
 

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I think most people are just on a different wavelength as to their definition of defensive. I dont see being a defensive mid as a bad thing.

Some will think of defensive mids as taggers, some think of them as purely inside, to others, defensive mid means the all-rounder that doesnt everything well and runs both ways but isnt going to win you games bursting out of packs with line-breaking speed or kicking 1-2goals a game.

I think most of us would have AB in the 3rd column. As people have said, his offensive weapon is getting the pill at the bottom of the pack and releasing with a steller handpass which isnt as flashy as the line-breakers. He also happens to be an elite tackler which means people naturally think of him as a "defensive" mid.

The truth is, to be successful, you need at least one "defensive" mid (two-way runner) anyway. The best example is Geelong last year who had 0 accountability in their midfield so they look a million bucks when it goes there way but cant compete with the better teams since Danger, Ablett, Kelly and to a lesser extent Selwood all think that running the other way is too hard.

Lets not forget he was 18 last year and 19 this year...
I think that suggests defensive mid is just a bit of a bogus category. Defence/attack is a continuum for mids, so some have more defensive elements to their game, but that doesn't stop them from being attacking. In some sense though, you want the midfield to compliment each other in carrying out the game plan.

At this stage Brayshaw has shown a higher ceiling than Banfield, while Cerra has revealed a higher ceiling than Brayshaw, but at such early stages of their careers, I'd be disinclined to pigeon hole any one of them.
 

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My personal opinion is that it’s way too early to judge but anyhow Brayshaw reminds me of Luke Ball. Really tough on the inside, excellent work ethic, looks like a good accumulator, great tackler and good with his hands.
Also similar to Ball he seems to lack polish and penetration with his kicking, is mid sized and doesn’t have explosive pace.
Touch wood with injuries and I could definitely see him playing 200+ games and be a premiership player just like Ball.
 

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HB: Cerra, Pearce, Duman
C: B Hill, Hogan, Langdon
R: Darcy, Fyfe, Mundy
HF: McCarthy, Taberner, Walters
FF: Switkowski, Lobb, Matera
IC: Conca, Brayshaw, Collier, Bennell

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Bewley, Banfield, B.Cox

If Bennell has nothing wrong with his calf as freo have reported and he has done the biggest volume of work (as freo reported) compared to other preseasons, then I reckon they just need him playing. He needs to get confidence back in his body and playing week in week out. I'd like to see him play JLT 1 & 2 and if he has not broken down starting on the I/C. Keep playing him till he really breaks down for a long period and then inject someone else into the team. I also can't justify putting Logue in after he had so much time off and was never an established player or a star. He should force his way back via Peel.
 
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