Strategy 2019 - Best 22 & Player Discussion

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Can't justify Logue because he has missed too much time (but was one of the best in the intraclub), but Bennell is an "in" because he has trained the biggest volume compared to other seasons (but isn't currently training).....

Still trying to figure that rationale out myself.
 

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Personally think there is a lot of over-rating on Duman at the moment. Yes, when he had the ball he used it well but he was an outright liability defensively a lot of the time. I said this before but I remember Puopolo breathing on him in a contest and he went flying 5 metres off the ball.

There is definitely something to work with but I dont think he's best 22 at the moment and Logue, who can actually defend as a defender has him pretty well covered at the moment
 

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Personally think there is a lot of over-rating on Duman at the moment. Yes, when he had the ball he used it well but he was an outright liability defensively a lot of the time. I said this before but I remember Puopolo breathing on him in a contest and he went flying 5 metres off the ball.

There is definitely something to work with but I dont think he's best 22 at the moment and Logue, who can actually defend as a defender has him pretty well covered at the moment
I reckon Logue is more over-rated around here than Duman. Logue was 'alright' defensively but offered extremely little offensively in 2017 and didn't even play a game last year. If he gets a game we're definetly going to need to see an offensive game from him because it's a struggle to fit 3 tall offensively limited backman in your six. Duman on the other hand had a number of pretty special games last year for a young player and finished the year firmly entrenched in the best 22 even if his defense looked a bit shaky at times (not surprising for a young defender playing on quality smalls).

I'd probably have Logue in as well just on potential (with Duman playing more minutes further up the ground) but in a straight comparison I'm taking Duman every day of the week.
 

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I still don't think Logue vs Duman is a thing. Like, I get that there are limited positions in the backline but they play totally different roles. Could easily see both play round 1.
If Logue was in the 22, but injured, you would consider Duman as a replacement, and vice-versa. But in the end we have limited vacancies in defence, so they are in the same discussion.
 

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If Logue was in the 22, but injured, you would consider Duman as a replacement, and vice-versa. But in the end we have limited vacancies in defence, so they are in the same discussion.
See I don't think they are. Picking one over the other is changing the structure and I don't think it works that way. You decide on the structure and pick the personal for that, ie the roles in that structure.

IMO, Duman's competition is Nyhuis (and that is somewhat structural too) and the mids that play back (Hill, Conca, Blakely, Cerra).
Logue's are Cox, Kersten and Watson.
 

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FB: Ryan, Hamling, Wilson
HB: Cerra, Pearce, Duman
C: B Hill, Hogan, Langdon
R: Darcy, Fyfe, Mundy
HF: McCarthy, Taberner, Walters
FF: Switkowski, Lobb, Matera
IC: Conca, Brayshaw, Collier, Bennell

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Bewley, Banfield, B.Cox

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At present, Cox has more runs on the board than McCarthy. Really want to see Cam get the hunger back, but I think he needs to do some hard yards at Peel.
 

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Personally think there is a lot of over-rating on Duman at the moment. Yes, when he had the ball he used it well but he was an outright liability defensively a lot of the time. I said this before but I remember Puopolo breathing on him in a contest and he went flying 5 metres off the ball.

There is definitely something to work with but I dont think he's best 22 at the moment and Logue, who can actually defend as a defender has him pretty well covered at the moment
Think what you like but because Dumans skinny people see him get knocked off the ball and get a bit irrational about it if you ask me , Luke Ryan was shakey as f*ck with ground balls deep in the last 1/3 of the year but no one ever mentions it because he went pretty well in the first half of the year and he is one of the ' anointed ones '

Dumans never going to be a great 1vs1 player but I have him as our 2nd or 3rd best mopper-up behind Blakely and maybe Hilly with scope to be a very useful player in the Duffield mould


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Think what you like but because Dumans skinny people see him get knocked off the ball and get a bit irrational about it if you ask me , Luke Ryan was shakey as f*ck with ground balls deep in the last 1/3 of the year but no one ever mentions it because he went pretty well in the first half of the year and he is one of the ' anointed ones '

Dumans never going to be a great 1vs1 player but I have him as our 2nd or 3rd best mopper-up behind Blakely and maybe Hilly with scope to be a very useful player in the Duffield mould


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Luke Ryan also almost broke the record for intercept marks so there's that...

There's not being a great 1v1 player and there's being a liability. Like I said, I think he has the scope to be a good player but he needs to put A LOT of work into his defensive game, especially if he's actually being a defender. I also dispute the dude that said he was firmly b22. He was in the 22 because a lot of players were injured, that does not make you "firmly b22." Looking it up, he was omitted for round 20 against the Eagles anyway, so that immediately shoots that down.
 

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Luke Ryan also almost broke the record for intercept marks so there's that...

There's not being a great 1v1 player and there's being a liability. Like I said, I think he has the scope to be a good player but he needs to put A LOT of work into his defensive game, especially if he's actually being a defender. I also dispute the dude that said he was firmly b22. He was in the 22 because a lot of players were injured, that does not make you "firmly b22." Looking it up, he was omitted for round 20 against the Eagles anyway, so that immediately shoots that down.
Yeah omitted against the Eagles and their small forwards had a field day , doubt Duman could have done a whole lot to stop that but they pretty much locked him into the sweeper role for the last few games after that


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Horses for courses for me, Logue when we need height to help out Pearce and Hambling and Duman on mid sized fwds for his rebound after his breakout game against the pies last year
Ryan is a special player, his courage standing up for his intercepts cost him a lot of knees to his back and he looked sore towards latter part of season
Wilson is in for a big year and his kicking is going to be crucial but more impotantly he won me over at his first ever press conference where he declared his love for Freo and contempt for the shitbags down the road!
 

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Only skimming this thread, what’s with Cerra being on back flanks? Not gonna take Neale’s midfields minutes?
The plan was more that Blakely would step into that midfield role, Cerra to keep developing with some midfield stints. We have quite a few midfielders who can play back so it is easy to adjust if needed.
 

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Only skimming this thread, what’s with Cerra being on back flanks? Not gonna take Neale’s midfields minutes?
Neale’s midfield minutes will be covered by committee.
Mundy will play full midfield.
Conca,Cerra, S Hill and Blakely will play between half back and midfield.
Hogan may spend time in the middle.
Walters will play more midfield than forward.
 

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I don't think this is what Match Committee will pick, but below is the team I would pick.

I'm not considering Sandi or Bennell because both still seem to be a fair way off the pace with their availability. I am considering S.Hill, Blakely, and Switta because even though they are injured at least there is a decent expectation that they will become available at some point.

Nyhuis Hamling Logue
Wilson Pearce Ryan
B.Hill Fyfe S.Hill
Cerra Hogan Cox
Walters Lobb Switta

Darcy Mundy Blakely

Conca Langdon Brayshaw Banfield


Emergencies: Tucker Ballas Tabs Duman
 

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Hey lads,
interested to know what ruck combination you guys will start off with this year and also what the best ruck structure if everyone was healthy would be?
 

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No Colyer even in the emergencies ?? I do like the team though, obviously with 100% availability
Yeah, good point. Its not a hate thing! OK, Colyer instead of Ballas in the emergencies. I'm not a big fan of the 2019 Ballas but I'm still waiting for others to actually go past him (in particular, looking at you Matera).
 

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Yeah, good point. Its not a hate thing! OK, Colyer instead of Ballas in the emergencies. I'm not a big fan of the 2019 Ballas but I'm still waiting for others to actually go past him (in particular, looking at you Matera).
How different do you think the match committee's side would be, everyone available as with yours?

My thoughts are that they would be quite similar;

Cerra Hamling Logue
Wilson Pearce Ryan
B.Hill Fyfe S.Hill
Banfield Hogan Cox
Walters Lobb Switta

Darcy Mundy Blakely

Conca Langdon Brayshaw Tucker
Would be decisions to make regarding the forward line (primarily Taberner versus Cox), and I think they prefer a running player to the more defensive Nyhuis. Really Ballantyne needs to force his name into the calculations at this stage. For me he is a non starter.
 
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