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jason pm said:
Mitch Hahn was on SEN the other day and he was very bullish on James Madden, said he has picked up the skills of our game quickly.
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From what I understand, James Madden is Bullish on himself!
In a good way though, not up himself, but a very confident young man!
 

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jjami15 said:
I think the clubs focus has made a big shift away from just purely the draft. Having three picks in the 15 - 25 or so range I feel one or two will be used in trades to continue our list build. One would assume that the midfield depth wouldn’t be such a focus anymore apart from maybe some more outside runners. Like others here (and listening to Fagan) more run from the back half will be a focus. This could be dealt with within our own club either by Cox or Madden but don’t be surprised if we continue down that path.

I’m still in the mindset that we are a couple of years away from a real finals push so the players that I’m identifying are still young and/or should definitely still be on our list and are currently best 22.

In the back half you would say that it is looking good in regards to certain spots especially with;

Gardiner - ? - Bailey
Witherden - Andrews - ?

It would be great to see Adams come on but I’m going on previous history of his but I still see 2 big holes in the back half with one of those being that running half-back flanker.


In the midfield we definitely look a lot better these days

Lyons, Matho, McCluggage, Berry, Neale

I’ve left out Zorko here as I think he will become more of a forward-mid and also Rayner and Cameron due to the same fact. These are all inside mid-types and we’ve come along way but you can see that that outside run is needed.

In the Forward half I could get shouted down here but there are only 4 that I can see are going to be there and one of them I have massive concerns with.

Rayner - Hipwood* - Zorko
Cameron - ? - ?

In regards to Hipwood i personally fee that he will be at the crossroads in a couple years time and that can be left to another thread but I’ll still put him in as I hope he really makes it as a KPF. McCarthy could go in here but for me he is a wait and see. In regards to McStay I have massive concerns for when we should be making that real and we don’t currently have an elite type of KPF.

Rucks I’m happy with and can see the big O being our man in there for a long time.

So looking at above list position needs wise I would say that we still need;

A KPD, HBF (running), 2 Outside mids, a KPF and another small forward.

Of course I hope that we can build and cover some of those with players on our current list and we have started to build some depth but I’m more raising positions where we need A to B grade players still.
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Very good break down of the list, and I pretty much agree on everything you mentioned.

I don't know if we need to target an out and out winger for the midfield. If there's another McCluggage type or Zac Bailey type available at one of our early picks, I would certainly consider them. As I mentioned in a post quite a while ago, I believe all our midfielder need to have a strong contested side to their game, and would prefer to have a speedy inside outside type on the wing rather than a pure speedster who lacks a contested side to his game.

I'd prefer to rely on the HBF for that genuine run and carry down the wings.
 
WhiteLionFeva said:
Dominated by midfielders and only three father/son or Academy prospects.
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Not many early highly rated Father Son or Academy kids this year. There's quite a few who are currently look like later draft prospects.

St Kilda
Tyson Milne and Jackson Voss

Port
Jackson Mead and Trent Burgoyne. And I think Kysaiah Pickett might be NGA for them. The big knocks on Burgoyne and Pickett is that they are short.
Port have picks 9, 27, 60, 61, 63 and 64 so look like they have planned well for this draft from a points perspective.

Hawthorn
Finn Maginness is highly rated by some

Richmond
Xavier Naish

Bulldogs
Oliver Liberatore

GWS
Tom Green, and also have Liam Delahunty as another rated academy kid.


Sydney and Gold Coast look to have quite a few academy kids that also might be later draft picks.
 
And for us just Johnson as F/S?
 
briztoon said:
Very good break down of the list, and I pretty much agree on everything you mentioned.

I don't know if we need to target an out and out winger for the midfield. If there's another McCluggage type or Zac Bailey type available at one of our early picks, I would certainly consider them. As I mentioned in a post quite a while ago, I believe all our midfielder need to have a strong contested side to their game, and would prefer to have a speedy inside outside type on the wing rather than a pure speedster who lacks a contested side to his game.

I'd prefer to rely on the HBF for that genuine run and carry down the wings.
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I mean it’s pretty good aside from the Hipwood comment which baffles me. He has his deficiencies but to suggest his career will be at a crossroads is weird.

Anyone who kicks almost 40 goals in a season as a 20yr old is going to have a long career (injury permitting).
 
Tom14 said:
I mean it’s pretty good aside from the Hipwood comment which baffles me. He has his deficiencies but to suggest his career will be at a crossroads is weird.

Anyone who kicks almost 40 goals in a season as a 20yr old is going to have a long career (injury permitting).
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No, I agree with jjami15 on Hipwood. I believe he's some what overrated here. Don't get me wrong, he has shown a LOT of potential, but he also has a lot to work on in his game and endurance yet. I hope he continues to develop in to a Nick Riewoldt type. He could be a very good player, or he could be an almost player, with what we've seen so far, ends up being what he is.
 
briztoon said:
No, I agree with jjami15 on Hipwood. I believe he's some what overrated here. Don't get me wrong, he has shown a LOT of potential, but he also has a lot to work on in his game and endurance yet. I hope he continues to develop in to a Nick Riewoldt type. He could be a very good player, or he could be an almost player, with what we've seen so far, ends up being what he is.
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I guess I just have a problem with the ‘career at a crossroads’ comment. He’s 21 and already a productive goalscorer so I don’t see why in a couple of years he won’t improve as he ages. I don’t disagree that he has a lot to work on to be a finished prospect though.

But if he is what he is currently he will be a productive, if not top-end forward in this lower scoring era. If he turns into a Josh Jenkins type (clearly not a number one forward) then he will have a very long career so it’s a stretch to me to say his career will be at a crossroads.

Anyway I think jjami15 was pretty clearly not trying to kickstart this discussion so I’ll leave it at that!
 
briztoon said:
No, I agree with jjami15 on Hipwood. I believe he's some what overrated here. Don't get me wrong, he has shown a LOT of potential, but he also has a lot to work on in his game and endurance yet. I hope he continues to develop in to a Nick Riewoldt type. He could be a very good player, or he could be an almost player, with what we've seen so far, ends up being what he is.
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Nobody says he doesn't have a lot to work on but he's kicked 37 goals in a bottom team and still has a lot of improvement.

And it's not like a key forward improving a great deal on how well he performed as a 20 year old is rare.
 
jackess said:
Nobody says he doesn't have a lot to work on but he's kicked 37 goals in a bottom team and still has a lot of improvement.

And it's not like a key forward improving a great deal on how well he performed as a 20 year old is rare.
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Yeah, I’d also point out that unless injury strikes he will have rare athleticism and the ability to kick goals other key forwards can’t so even if he doesn’t come on as much with his marking and forward craft he will still kick a lot of goals.
 

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Tom14 said:
Yeah, I’d also point out that unless injury strikes he will have rare athleticism and the ability to kick goals other key forwards can’t so even if he doesn’t come on as much with his marking and forward craft he will still kick a lot of goals.
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I think it's more the people with unrealistic expectations that underrate him. He might never be all australian or a coleman winner but he's going to be quite a good forward as a bare minimum.
 
jackess said:
I think it's more the people with unrealistic expectations that underrate him. He might never be all australian or a coleman winner but he's going to be quite a good forward as a bare minimum.
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Agreed.

On Hipwood for mine; I'm just rapt that we have a solid KPF that looks like playing 200 games and kicking 30+ a season.

We can't forget how hard the search has been to find some kind of successor to Lynch, Brown and Bradshaw that will be a long term KPF for the club. I'm not suggesting for a minute that Hipwood will be better than any of that trio, but for a kid entering his fourth season averaging 26 goals per season across his 3 seasons, he is a darn sight better than any other KPF we've had on our list since that trio, from Cornelius, Retzlaff, Lisle, Close, Freeman, Schache.

Whilst this conversation is about Hipwood, I have McStay pretty close behind Hipwood, albeit they're different types of KPF and well ahead of those other names listed. FWIW, I think McStay could surpass Hipwood if he found that consistency, but who knows, wouldn't it be great if years after their careers have finished that we're comparing Hipwood, McStay and Wooller to the aforementioned trio.
 
Dylan12 said:
Agreed.

On Hipwood for mine; I'm just rapt that we have a solid KPF that looks like playing 200 games and kicking 30+ a season.

We can't forget how hard the search has been to find some kind of successor to Lynch, Brown and Bradshaw that will be a long term KPF for the club. I'm not suggesting for a minute that Hipwood will be better than any of that trio, but for a kid entering his fourth season averaging 26 goals per season across his 3 seasons, he is a darn sight better than any other KPF we've had on our list since that trio, from Cornelius, Retzlaff, Lisle, Close, Freeman, Schache.

Whilst this conversation is about Hipwood, I have McStay pretty close behind Hipwood, albeit they're different types of KPF and well ahead of those other names listed. FWIW, I think McStay could surpass Hipwood if he found that consistency, but who knows, wouldn't it be great if years after their careers have finished that we're comparing Hipwood, McStay and Wooller to the aforementioned trio.
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Agreed, l still remember the dark year when we had Leuenberger as our sole KPF, was just awful
 
If Hipwood, McStay and Rayner reach their potential, we will be a force to be reckoned with.
 

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F_ark it, I'm going early again.

If there's one player from the draft I'd like to add to our list, it's Lachlan Ash from the Murray Bushrangers. Medium sized HBF with good, but not top end speed. Very good user of the ball by hand and foot and makes good decisions.

He's one of the kids I highlighted earlier as one to watch. Received a big wrap on the Final Siren Podcast this week for having one of the standout performances in the first week of the U18 NAB League (formerly called the TAC Cup).

The other kid to watch that I like is small forward/midfielder Sam Flanders from Gippsland Power.


Both probably go earlier than our first pick. One or both might slide due to both Oakleigh and Sandringham being stacked full of talented kids, and especially the Sandringham kids might climb up recruiters lists like we saw in 2016.
 
briztoon said:
F_ark it, I'm going early again.

If there's one player from the draft I'd like to add to our list, it's Lachlan Ash from the Murray Bushrangers. Medium sized HBF with good, but not top end speed. Very good user of the ball by hand and foot and makes good decisions.

He's one of the kids I highlighted earlier as one to watch. Received a big wrap on the Final Siren Podcast this week for having one of the standout performances in the first week of the U18 NAB League (formerly called the TAC Cup).

The other kid to watch that I like is small forward/midfielder Sam Flanders from Gippsland Power.


Both probably go earlier than our first pick. One or both might slide due to both Oakleigh and Sandringham being stacked full of talented kids, and especially the Sandringham kids might climb up recruiters lists like we saw in 2016.
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Fortune favours the brave. I’m going to wait for a few things. Firstly I’m interested to see how a few boys on our list go in the HBF position - Cox, Madden and Answerth. Secondly I want to get some eyes on this years crop for my own opinion. Third - going to listen to the Fagan and Noble about what we will need position wise and wether we are going to go to the draft or focus on trades.

Midfields win premierships so it will be interesting to se if we move away from continuing to build that. It is interesting to be a Lions supporter that’s for sure and which way go in our list build.
 
briztoon said:
F_ark it, I'm going early again.

If there's one player from the draft I'd like to add to our list, it's Lachlan Ash from the Murray Bushrangers. Medium sized HBF with good, but not top end speed. Very good user of the ball by hand and foot and makes good decisions.

He's one of the kids I highlighted earlier as one to watch. Received a big wrap on the Final Siren Podcast this week for having one of the standout performances in the first week of the U18 NAB League (formerly called the TAC Cup).

The other kid to watch that I like is small forward/midfielder Sam Flanders from Gippsland Power.


Both probably go earlier than our first pick. One or both might slide due to both Oakleigh and Sandringham being stacked full of talented kids, and especially the Sandringham kids might climb up recruiters lists like we saw in 2016.
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Well surely we need a Flanders when we move to Springfield.
 

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