2019 Draft thread

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

There’s talk of Carlton taking him as early as 9.

Has there been? I’d be happy if so, but the word on the Carlton board seems to be Bulldogs most likely at 13.

 

[Dalions]

Has there been? I’d be happy if so, but the word on the Carlton board seems to be Bulldogs most likely at 13.

Melbourne sorry at 8
Freo might trade with Melbourne because of concerns with them bidding for Henry which will give the Dees 10 and they might take Pickett there or Dogs at 13 possible as well.

 

[briztoon]

There’s talk of Carlton taking him as early as 9.
Being of indigenous background, why is Pickett not linked to an Academy?

The SA and WA clubs don’t have access to inner city indigenous kids (yet).

 

[jackess]

The SA and WA clubs don’t have access to inner city indigenous kids (yet).

I think he's from Port Lincoln though. Not sure how boarding in Adelaide affects it.

 

[Berrygood]

Id be happy with pickett and rivers with our first two picks. I like the idea of getting a genuine sm fwd, especially with his pedigree. Rivers looks to fit our needs. I think we will do ok with whomever we take with our first two.

 

[Dalions]

Id be happy with pickett and rivers with our first two picks. I like the idea of getting a genuine sm fwd, especially with his pedigree. Rivers looks to fit our needs. I think we will do ok with whomever we take with our first two.

Trent Bianco or Miles Bergman with 16
Pickett or Rantell with 21

 

[briztoon]

I think he's from Port Lincoln though. Not sure how boarding in Adelaide affects it.

I’d have do some googling, but I know not all city and regional indigenous kids in SA are in academy zones.

Just like Rankine wasn’t tied to an nga academy last year.

 

[briztoon]

I’m not sold on drafting a small forward if we’re committed to drafting Keidean Coleman this year, and early reports are that Keideans’ younger brother in next years draft is an even better prospect.

 

[SizeMatters]

I’m not sold on drafting a small forward if we’re committed to drafting Keidean Coleman this year, and early reports are that Keideans’ younger brother in next years draft is an even better prospect.

Nah, I never buy into this kind of thinking. A lot can happen between now and then. Tom Swift the best 16 year old Voss has ever seen, Keays was a dual U18 AA etc etc plenty of examples of these calls... can't predict how a teenager will fill our needs in a few years time.

Think we certainly need to add quality players to our forward lines. Outside of Cameron we don't really have anyone that you could bet the house on to perform consistently up there. FWDs and MIDS is who I'll be targeting this draft and maybe a ruck.

 

[briztoon]

Nah, I never buy into this kind of thinking. A lot can happen between now and then. Tom Swift the best 16 year old Voss has ever seen, Keays was a dual U18 AA etc etc plenty of examples of these calls... can't predict how a teenager will fill our needs in a few years time.

Think we certainly need to add quality players to our forward lines. Outside of Cameron we don't really have anyone that you could bet the house on to perform consistently up there. FWDs and MIDS is who I'll be targeting this draft and maybe a ruck.

Blake Coleman is next years draft, not a few years time.

Nor would I be betting on Kysiah Pickett to step in right away.

We have enough small forward cover in Bundy Christensen, Lincoln McCarthy, Charlie Cameron, Cedric Cox, Callum Ah Chee, and Zac Bailey even. And if we draft both Keidean Coleman and Noah Cumberland, that’s another two players who can rotate through the forward lines.

 

[briztoon]

Going back and listening to a few David Noble interviews from last years draft through to the end of this years trade period.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we draft Will Day at our first pick. He’s skinny and will likely take two preseasons before debuting, but he ticks a lot of the boxes we need in a rebound defender.

 

[abcde12345]

I don't think it makes much sense to look for small forwards at this point in the draft. We have one of the best two small forwards in the business at the moment, and the rest of the smalls are solid as well. Lots of depth in terms of midfielders who can rotate forward, as well as reserves looking for an opportunity. Add in the multitude of forwards prospects coming out of our academy, and I would definitely think this would have to be the lowest priority.

If anything, I think we lack defensive depth in my opinion. Particularly the run and carry off the half back line, which is what is regularly mentioned on here and by the recruiters alike. Our current fast run and carry players off half back consist of Zac Bailey (who is still very raw in my opinion) and Callum Ah Chee (if the transition to the backline is successful for him). I can definitely see us going for a "project player" in this role like Will Day, while really targeting a recruit next year to carry us over in the mean time (perhaps we can snag Brodie Smith next year).

I think the only other glaring deficiency in the list at this stage is some more ruck stock. I struggle to see Archie making it at the AFL level, and otherwise we only have two real ruckmen on the list. It's worth mentioning that Stef is 32 as well. The recruitment team might be more interested in chasing another VFL level ruckman like Oscar, rather than using any valuable currency on one. Either way, I doubt Luke Jackson makes it to us, and I don't think there are any other real ruckmen that would stand out to us in this draft.

Otherwise, midfield depth is almost always worth picking up in my opinion.

I'd hope we are looking closely at Cooper Stephens. Seems to have the frame and inside nous that Fagan looks for in his players. Also appears to display some strong leadership skills, as well as being a Vic Country boy. He also seems to have fallen off the radar to a degree due to his injury, so we might be able to grab him as a slider (something else we seem to look for in the draft).

Rivers looks like he could be a quality player too. Good size and some really fantastic stats across the year despite being somewhat limited fitness base from what I'm reading. Exciting prospect.

I don't follow the talk of a player like Bianco. Much more outside and one-way than we seem to like. Also quite undersized. Considering we already have Zorko and Neale, I can definitely see the recruiters targeting players to round out the height profile a bit more in our favour through the middle (and this does seem to be the strategy they have employed in the past few drafts).

I see Briz talking about Rantall a lot, and he seems to have a lot of desirable attributes. Decent size and there's a lot of traits there to work with and improve on by the sound of it. Super endurance too (I'm seeing comparisons to Sam Walsh). Seems to be a "likely type", so I would definitely be behind the club grabbing him if the opportunity is there.

Taheny could be an exciting prospect if we think we can mould him into a 50-50 mid-fwd type player. Another one with a lot of exciting attributes that you could work with at the AFL level.

For mine, I'm hoping we can snag two of Stephens, Rivers or Day. Rantall and Taheny sound like pretty good back-up options to me as well.

 

[dizzysquizz]

Interesting, on Cal Twomeys and Rileys bit on the AFL website/app, Cal mentioned Caleb Serong could slip to 12, 13. If on draft night he is still available then I would love the club to make a bid to move up our pick 16 and one of our later picks and nab him, If we could land serong and Rantall or Day Id be stoked.

 

[irel]

Interesting, on Cal Twomeys and Rileys bit on the AFL website/app, Cal mentioned Caleb Serong could slip to 12, 13. If on draft night he is still available then I would love the club to make a bid to move up our pick 16 and one of our later picks and nab him, If we could land serong and Rantall or Day Id be stoked.

If Serong slips to 12/13 why wouldn't the club holding those picks select him? Why would they pass on that opportunity to slide back and a speculative latter pick? If we are holding pick 12 /13 would we do what you're suggesting? Very unlikely.

 

[Dalions]

If Serong slips to 12/13 why wouldn't the club holding those picks select him? Why would they pass on that opportunity to slide back and a speculative latter pick? If we are holding pick 12 /13 would we do what you're suggesting? Very unlikely.

Unless, he is a player you are not particularly keen on?

 

[irel]

Unless, he is a player you are not particularly keen on?

If we are speculating I guess everything is possible. Which would mean he could get to us without the need for trade up.

 

[dlanod]

If Serong slips to 12/13 why wouldn't the club holding those picks select him? Why would they pass on that opportunity to slide back and a speculative latter pick? If we are holding pick 12 /13 would we do what you're suggesting? Very unlikely.

Because different clubs have different rankings? If they don't rate Serong either and have four or five kids with similar rankings still available (even if Serong is one of them), it's an easy decision to slide back, take one of those kids anyway, and get a free pick upgrade, e.g. up from 89 for the Dogs.

If we had 12/13 and were in the same scenario (four or five kids that we rate equivalently available, and the ability to downgrade a handful of picks) I'd expect us to take it.

 

[briztoon]

I don't think it makes much sense to look for small forwards at this point in the draft. We have one of the best two small forwards in the business at the moment, and the rest of the smalls are solid as well. Lots of depth in terms of midfielders who can rotate forward, as well as reserves looking for an opportunity. Add in the multitude of forwards prospects coming out of our academy, and I would definitely think this would have to be the lowest priority.

If anything, I think we lack defensive depth in my opinion. Particularly the run and carry off the half back line, which is what is regularly mentioned on here and by the recruiters alike. Our current fast run and carry players off half back consist of Zac Bailey (who is still very raw in my opinion) and Callum Ah Chee (if the transition to the backline is successful for him). I can definitely see us going for a "project player" in this role like Will Day, while really targeting a recruit next year to carry us over in the mean time (perhaps we can snag Brodie Smith next year).

I think the only other glaring deficiency in the list at this stage is some more ruck stock. I struggle to see Archie making it at the AFL level, and otherwise we only have two real ruckmen on the list. It's worth mentioning that Stef is 32 as well. The recruitment team might be more interested in chasing another VFL level ruckman like Oscar, rather than using any valuable currency on one. Either way, I doubt Luke Jackson makes it to us, and I don't think there are any other real ruckmen that would stand out to us in this draft.

Otherwise, midfield depth is almost always worth picking up in my opinion.

I'd hope we are looking closely at Cooper Stephens. Seems to have the frame and inside nous that Fagan looks for in his players. Also appears to display some strong leadership skills, as well as being a Vic Country boy. He also seems to have fallen off the radar to a degree due to his injury, so we might be able to grab him as a slider (something else we seem to look for in the draft).

Rivers looks like he could be a quality player too. Good size and some really fantastic stats across the year despite being somewhat limited fitness base from what I'm reading. Exciting prospect.

I don't follow the talk of a player like Bianco. Much more outside and one-way than we seem to like. Also quite undersized. Considering we already have Zorko and Neale, I can definitely see the recruiters targeting players to round out the height profile a bit more in our favour through the middle (and this does seem to be the strategy they have employed in the past few drafts).

I see Briz talking about Rantall a lot, and he seems to have a lot of desirable attributes. Decent size and there's a lot of traits there to work with and improve on by the sound of it. Super endurance too (I'm seeing comparisons to Sam Walsh). Seems to be a "likely type", so I would definitely be behind the club grabbing him if the opportunity is there.

Taheny could be an exciting prospect if we think we can mould him into a 50-50 mid-fwd type player. Another one with a lot of exciting attributes that you could work with at the AFL level.

For mine, I'm hoping we can snag two of Stephens, Rivers or Day. Rantall and Taheny sound like pretty good back-up options to me as well.

I was with you until you mentioned Taheny.

If we’re looking at a general forward, I’d rather look at Dylan Williams, Miles Bergman or even Elijah Taylor. Williams has the scope to potentially run through the midfield, while Bergman and Taylor can play up on the wing.


As for Bianco. He’s not as outside as people are making out. He was asked to mostly play outside roles, wing and HBF at Oakleigh, but when he was shifted to play inside mid, he racked up 42 disposals at almost 50% contested possessions. That was when Rowell and Anderson were playing school footy.

Yes he’s short, the same height as Rory Laird. And yes he needs to work on his contested game. But he’s one of the best ball users in the draft, is genuinely dual sided, and can play multiple positions.

Very few draftees spoken about in the 16 to 21 range will have an instant impact at AFL level. So we’re more than likely looking at mid to long term projections for the kids we draft.

But that’s balanced by us having at least a dozen young players already on our list who will be pushing for more senior opportunities as it is.

 

[abcde12345]

I was with you until you mentioned Taheny.

If we’re looking at a general forward, I’d rather look at Dylan Williams, Miles Bergman or even Elijah Taylor. Williams has the scope to potentially run through the midfield, while Bergman and Taylor can play up on the wing.


As for Bianco. He’s not as outside as people are making out. He was asked to mostly play outside roles, wing and HBF at Oakleigh, but when he was shifted to play inside mid, he racked up 42 disposals at almost 50% contested possessions. That was when Rowell and Anderson were playing school footy.

Yes he’s short, the same height as Rory Laird. And yes he needs to work on his contested game. But he’s one of the best ball users in the draft, is genuinely dual sided, and can play multiple positions.

Very few draftees spoken about in the 16 to 21 range will have an instant impact at AFL level. So we’re more than likely looking at mid to long term projections for the kids we draft.

But that’s balanced by us having at least a dozen young players already on our list who will be pushing for more senior opportunities as it is.

For what it's worth - I wouldn't want us taking Taheny with our first pick, and I am expecting Bergman to be gone come our 2nd pick.

I like the look of Taheny in our 2nd pick if Rivers, Stephens and Day are gone for a couple of reasons.

I can see him potentially crafting a role as that fwd-mid rotating player. From what I have seen, he has that explosiveness that can really allow a player to impact the mid contest in bursts. But as you've mentioned, other similar prospect will also have the attributes to play through the midfield as well.

The real point worth considering is that Taheny has been plying his trade against men, while Williams has only been playing against other U18 players. Taheny has managed to average the most goals for his team at a SANFL main league level. Similarly, he has been able to maintain a reasonable level of defensive pressure against the grown bodies.

I think as a prospect he's being a little bit underrated. Wouldn't be surprised to see him burst onto the scene a bit next year, in a similar vein to Rozee (although obviously I doubt he will perform to the level Rozee has).

Fair point with regards to Bianco. I just don't see him fitting into our list management plans really. Does he have speed for us to play him running off the half back line?

Agreed on the lack of instant impact from players where our draft picks sit. I don't think that's a big deal though to be honest - I think with the state of our list at the moment, we have the opportunity to explore some more project type players that might take a bit of time. It's why a player like Will Day fits well with me (and if Luke Jackson slides, I'd be very happy for us to grab him).

 

[briztoon]

For what it's worth - I wouldn't want us taking Taheny with our first pick, and I am expecting Bergman to be gone come our 2nd pick.

I like the look of Taheny in our 2nd pick if Rivers, Stephens and Day are gone for a couple of reasons.

I can see him potentially crafting a role as that fwd-mid rotating player. From what I have seen, he has that explosiveness that can really allow a player to impact the mid contest in bursts. But as you've mentioned, other similar prospect will also have the attributes to play through the midfield as well.

The real point worth considering is that Taheny has been plying his trade against men, while Williams has only been playing against other U18 players. Taheny has managed to average the most goals for his team at a SANFL main league level. Similarly, he has been able to maintain a reasonable level of defensive pressure against the grown bodies.

I think as a prospect he's being a little bit underrated. Wouldn't be surprised to see him burst onto the scene a bit next year, in a similar vein to Rozee (although obviously I doubt he will perform to the level Rozee has).

Fair point with regards to Bianco. I just don't see him fitting into our list management plans really. Does he have speed for us to play him running off the half back line?

Agreed on the lack of instant impact from players where our draft picks sit. I don't think that's a big deal though to be honest - I think with the state of our list at the moment, we have the opportunity to explore some more project type players that might take a bit of time. It's why a player like Will Day fits well with me (and if Luke Jackson slides, I'd be very happy for us to grab him).

Taheny has not played a forward/mid role as far as I’m aware. Had a great first three weeks to the season where he kicked 11 goals, then has been up and down.

There’s been some interesting discussions most of the second half of the season regarding his on field performances.

I believe we’ll have an interesting mix of players at our first two picks, some high risk high reward types, and some safe and consistent performers.

 

[Dalions]

How’s the hit at the end of this clip?

 

[briztoon]

How’s the hit at the end of this clip?

Nice legal shepherd there.

 

[jjami15]

How’s the hit at the end of this clip?

Sold, be a happy camper seeing a couple of those each year.

 

[lionshine]

I'm really warming to the idea of us selecting Kysaiah Pickett early.

 

[lionshine]

Interesting, on Cal Twomeys and Rileys bit on the AFL website/app, Cal mentioned Caleb Serong could slip to 12, 13. If on draft night he is still available then I would love the club to make a bid to move up our pick 16 and one of our later picks and nab him, If we could land serong and Rantall or Day Id be stoked.

I'd be willing to trade 16 and 21 to move up to 12/13 if Serong was on the board. I really rate him and view him as a top 5 prospect personally. My favourite player of the draft.