List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Thread

bergholt

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Have a look at the 11 tallest players on our list, and how long we've had them:

Alabakis - 2nd year
King - 2nd year
Carlisle - 5th year
Marshall - 4th year
Abbott - 1st year
Bell - 1st year
Howard - 1st year
Ryder - 1st year
Clavarino - 3rd year
Brown - 4th year
Austin - 3rd year

We tried to pick up talls early in the rebuild so that they'd have time to develop. How badly did that go? Eight years since we last played finals and we're still picking up bulk talls in the hope that we'll get it right eventually.

Imagine where we'd be now if we'd taken mids all through the rebuild instead of betting on talls?
Talls we've taken since we last played finals who are now gone:

Jay Lever
Beau Maister
Jordan Staley
Tom Hickey
Tom Lee
Spencer White
Lewis Pierce
Josh Bruce
Luke Delaney
Billy Longer
Jason Holmes
Paddy McCartin
Hugh Goddard
Brenton Payne
Nick Coughlan
Sam Rowe

How good are talls?
 

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Have a look at the 11 tallest players on our list, and how long we've had them:

Alabakis - 2nd year
King - 2nd year
Carlisle - 5th year
Marshall - 4th year
Abbott - 1st year
Bell - 1st year
Howard - 1st year
Ryder - 1st year
Clavarino - 3rd year
Brown - 4th year
Austin - 3rd year

We tried to pick up talls early in the rebuild so that they'd have time to develop. How badly did that go? Eight years since we last played finals and we're still picking up bulk talls in the hope that we'll get it right eventually.

Imagine where we'd be now if we'd taken mids all through the rebuild instead of betting on talls?
2012: Lonergan , Garner, Nathan Wright, Brodie Murdoch.
2013: Billings, Dunstan, Acres,
2014: Brayshaw ?? McKenzie, Menadue
2015: Gresham ??? ( No Carlisle trade though ). Freeman.
2016: Kobe Mutch ( instead of Battle ). Phillips. Steele Stevens.
2017 : Clark, Coffield , Constable ( Instead of Clavarino ).

I'm imagining , but i don't think there's a premiership in it.
 

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    Name                 2019 Tot Age Birth Date Height Weight   Origin
  ?? Ryder, Patrick        17 243 31 13 Mar 1988 197cm  94kg East Fremantle / Essendon / Port Adelaide
  14 Geary, Jarryn          5 188 31 23 Jun 1988 182cm  82kg Bendigo Pioneers
  22 Brown, Nathan         16 183 31 17 Dec 1988 196cm  99kg North Ballarat Rebels / Collingwood
   5 Savage, Shane         22 163 28 05 Jan 1991 186cm  84kg Dandenong Stingrays / Hawthorn
  10 Hannebery, Daniel      5 213 28 24 Feb 1991 181cm  80kg Oakleigh Chargers / Sydney
  17 Roberton, Dylan        0 128 28 21 Jun 1991 194cm  91kg Dandenong Stingrays / Fremantle
  ?? Abbott, Ryan           1   5 28 25 Jun 1991 200cm 100kg Grovedale Tigers / Geelong
   2 Carlisle, Jake        10 134 28 01 Oct 1991 201cm 104kg Craigieburn / EssendonFC
   6 Ross, Sebastian       22 124 26 07 May 1993 188cm  88kg North Ballarat Rebels
  29 Webster, Jimmy         8  93 26 28 Jun 1993 188cm  83kg Glenorchy
  ?? Hill, Bradley         22 149 26 09 Jul 1993 179cm  79kg West Perth / Hawthorn / Fremantle
  25 Kent, Dean            13  76 25 25 Feb 1994 180cm  85kg Perth WAFL / Melbourne
  28 Membrey, Tim          22  92 25 26 May 1994 188cm  89kg Gippsland / Sydney
  40 Hind, Nicholas        11  11 25 19 Oct 1994 180cm  71kg Essendon VFL
   7 Dunstan, Luke         18 103 24 29 Jan 1995 185cm  84kg Woodville-West Torrens
  35 Sinclair, Jack        22  86 24 12 Feb 1995 180cm  82kg Oakleigh Chargers
  ?? Jones, Zak            17  90 24 15 Mar 1995 181cm  80kg Dandenong Stingrays / Sydney
  24 Austin, Logan          0  20 24 08 Jul 1995 196cm  92kg Belconnen / Port Adelaide
  15 Billings, Jack        22 107 24 18 Aug 1995 184cm  81kg Oakleigh Chargers
  43 Marsh, Jonathon        5  20 24 17 Oct 1995 194cm  93kg East Fremantle / Collingwood
  19 Marshall, Rowan       20  33 24 24 Nov 1995 201cm 104kg North Ballarat Rebels
   9 Steele, Jack          20  78 23 13 Dec 1995 187cm  90kg ACT Rams / GWS
  34 Parker, Matthew       17  17 23 25 Jan 1996 187cm  79kg South Fremantle
  44 Wilkie, Callum (R)    22  22 23 10 Mar 1996 191cm  87kg North Adelaide
  ?? Howard, Dougal        15  45 23 25 Mar 1996 199cm  92kg Murray Bushrangers / Port Adelaide
  36 McKenzie, Daniel      15  49 23 17 May 1996 184cm  83kg Oakleigh Chargers
  ?? Butler, Dan            7  45 23 03 Jun 1996 182cm  80kg North Ballarat Rebels / Richmond
  13 Lonie, Jack           13  63 23 13 Aug 1996 174cm  71kg Dandenong Stingrays
  39 Joyce, Darragh (R)     3   5 22 23 Apr 1997 195cm  90kg Ireland
  45 Alabakis, Samuel (R)   0   0 22 02 May 1997 211cm 105kg Perth Wildcats / ULM Warhawks
  21 Long, Ben             16  30 22 21 Aug 1997 182cm  74kg Footscray VFL
   4 Gresham, Jade         19  81 22 24 Aug 1997 177cm  79kg Northern Knights
  30 Phillips, Ed           4  11 21 29 Mar 1998 187cm  82kg Oakleigh Chargers
  26 Battle, Josh          19  26 21 18 Sep 1998 193cm  92kg Dandenong Stingrays
  33 Paton, Ben            13  16 21 19 Oct 1998 186cm  77kg Murray Bushrangers
   1 Coffield, Nicholas     8  18 20 19 Mar 1999 191cm  82kg Northern Knights
  11 Clark, Hunter         14  29 20 26 Mar 1999 186cm  79kg Dandenong Stingrays
  48 Mayo, Jack (R)         0   0 20 22 Jul 1999 192cm  81kg Carine / Subiaco
  46 Langlands, Doulton (R) 3   3 20 29 Jul 1999 187cm  78kg Murray Bushrangers
  38 Clavarino, Oscar       0   0 20 23 Oct 1999 197cm  89kg Dandenong Stingrays
  23 Bytel, Jack            0   0 19 14 Mar 2000 189cm  78kg Calder Cannons
  12 King, Maxwell          0   0 19 07 Jul 2000 202cm  90kg Sandringham Dragons
  ?? Byrnes, Ryan           0   0 18 03 May 2001 181cm  80kg Sandringham Dragons
  ?? Connolly, Leo          0   0 18 07 Aug 2001 181cm  74kg Gippsland Power
So by R23 we could have 17 on our list who have played 100 or more games. Almost an entire starting 18.

Looks like a list profile of a team that is playing or about ready to play finals.
 
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mightymalaka

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They’ve been pretty average all year TBH after being pretty good the last few years. Someone’s dropped the ball.
Didn't they lose their award winning Media Guru? His name escapes me
I'm sure someone will point it out! But your right it has def gone south in the last 12 months!
 

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gringo2011

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So by R23 we could have 17 on our list who have played 100 or more games. Almost an entire starting 18.

Looks like a list profile of a team that is playing or about ready to play finals.
Still lack a bit of top end talent though. If we play finals it doesn't look like we'd give it much of a shake. Probably our bests are Gresham, Billings, Ross, Marshall, Hanners and Hill. Not a super star amongst them yet, although 2016 Hanners was a star. We really need Hunter, King and Battle types to become stars to step up into a more dominant side.
 

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Hill's numbers this year should have had him in the AA team. He is a star.

I think we play finals from here. The list has depth, our best 18 looks very good, and we have a coach now who understands the modern game day tactics needed to be able to adjust during games.

Development time is over.
 

gringo2011

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Hill's numbers this year should have had him in the AA team. He is a star.

I think we play finals from here. The list has depth, our best 18 looks very good, and we have a coach now who understands the modern game day tactics needed to be able to adjust during games.

Development time is over.

I reckon we are 12 months off finals at least. King is going to have to be better than his brother at 17 goals for the year to really carry the forward line. Membrey had his worst year when bruce was missing and can't do it all. We will need mass improvement to step up and our fixture isn't as good as last year. I have us in the 9th to 15th zone still. A really big step up across the board and we could play finals but I don't think we'll do a Brisbane or Melbourne 2018.

So many list changes will make a pretty unsettled side as well.
 

NeXus Nick

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Hill's numbers this year should have had him in the AA team. He is a star.

I think we play finals from here. The list has depth, our best 18 looks very good, and we have a coach now who understands the modern game day tactics needed to be able to adjust during games.

Development time is over.
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Sippa

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We are keeping a couple of spots open for the supplemental window in Feb-March and possibly to get someone in the mid season draft.

No point picking the 80th best player now when we can get half a dozen to come and train with us, see who gels with the group, maybe find an older bloke with a bit of leadership/coaching etc
Pretty sure you can’t just leave spots open. I am pretty sure that window and mid season is purely for injury replacement and can only use those selections if we place someone on injury list .. I’m
Probably wrong but I was pretty sure you had to fill your list by the deadline and those periods were open for injury replacement .
 

aussierulesrules

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Still lack a bit of top end talent though. If we play finals it doesn't look like we'd give it much of a shake. Probably our bests are Gresham, Billings, Ross, Marshall, Hanners and Hill. Not a super star amongst them yet, although 2016 Hanners was a star. We really need Hunter, King and Battle types to become stars to step up into a more dominant side.
Agree pretty much completely with all that, but you don't need to be terribly amazing to make the 8.

We won 9 games this year, with what was arguably the worst injury run of any team (Champion Data rated it the worst by games missed by best 22, as of about R20) and to the team we generally had on the park this year, we could potentially add Hill, Hannebery, Roberton, Jones, Geary, Ryder, Howard, King, Webster, Butler and Bytel (at the expense of just Bruce, Newnes and Acres from our general team this year, at this stage), so I wouldn't have thought that winning as few as 3 extra games would be out of the question.

Especially with 3 extra games on our home ground next season, and with another preseason into the likes of Gresham, Roma, Hunter, Battle and Coffield, who are the ones who we need to take us to that next level.
 
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