List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Thread

[Stewart66]

Here are the maths.
I’ve thrown in Hately as well.

Jye Caldwell #11 (2018), points = 1,329
Aiden Bonar #11 (2017), points = 1,329
Jackson Hately #14, (2018), points = 1,161

Assumed:
Pick #5 (2019), points = 1,878, St Kilda
Pick #16 (2019), points = 1,067, GWS (as a FYI)
Pick #23 (2020), points = 815, St Kilda
Pick #34 (2020), points = 542, GWS

Provided there is not someone they absolutely want at #5, or they reap some benefit by gaining an Academy gun at a cheaper pick (#16), why would GWS do this deal?

Simply on a points basis:

Caldwell & Bonar = 2,658 or
Caldwell & Hately = 2,490

Both 600-800 more than the value of our pick #5.
Even if we add in our 2020 Future 2nd to close the deal, or a 2020 Future 2nd swap, it still means we’re about line ball points wise.

So what incentive is there for GWS to agree?

I just cannot see this deal happening.

Disclaimer: GWS’d agree if either, both or all of Caldwell/Bonar/Hately are duds.

PS: I don’t have an issue with chasing Caldwell given we were prepared to offer Adelaide our 2019 1st last year in order to get him. So clearly we rate him.

Think Gold Coast will have more picks coming

Jack Martin will probably net them a pick from AFL for one

Will be interesting to see if they want more experienced players instead of draft picks.

 

[sunny3193]

Think Gold Coast will have more picks coming

Jack Martin will probably net them a pick from AFL for one

Will be interesting to see if they want more experienced players instead of draft picks.

So you’d target them with this sort of strategy instead of GWS?

 

[Stewart66]

So you’d target them with this sort of strategy instead of GWS?

Both Giants only want picks experienced players cost will hurt their salary cap.

The players this year would be targeting hard would be Caldwell & Briggs with high contract
offers than Giants can afford in the future.

Gold Coast will more likely want a mixture of experienced players on their list. , combined with
draft to try keep retention , question will be whether an experienced player from our club wants
to play there.
Brodie would be high on the list if available for a trade .

 

[Mighty_sainter]

Just pick us a star mid who can play straight away. ( uninjured.)
I’m too impatient for any more slow burns.

Is that too much to ask?

Unfortunately there isn’t a mid likely to be at our pick ready to slot in and play midfield. It’s rare that kids are but green and rowel will be gone and Anderson will likely start his afl career as forward.

 

[St Kilda Death]

Honestly stuff all these kids, and stuff trading for any kids under 24yo.
Our list has plenty of young talent. Would have to be the youngest 22 in the league.
Need some more experienced heads in there.
Trade 1st pick for a good player over 25yo.

 

[sunny3193]

Both Giants only want picks experienced players cost will hurt their salary cap.

The players this year would be targeting hard would be Caldwell & Briggs with high contract
offers than Giants can afford in the future.

Gold Coast will more likely want a mixture of experienced players on their list. , combined with
draft to try keep retention , question will be whether an experienced player from our club wants
to play there.
Brodie would be high on the list if available for a trade .

GWS: I can understand Caldwell and Briggs, but would they let Briggs go?
Wouldn’t that leave them exposed?
GC: Who would you offer that might be amenable to go and would be acceptable to Gc?

 

[Stewart66]

GWS: I can understand Caldwell and Briggs, but would they let Briggs go?
Wouldn’t that leave them exposed?
GC: Who would you offer that might be amenable to go and would be acceptable to Gc?

Don’t expect Giants will want to let him go either , expect Patton playing ruck soon.
Would think Briggs gets bigger offer to leave , that’s all , they will struggle 2020 if Cog’s stays
with salary cap ...lots of guns out of contract .

Could not say who at Stkilda would leave for Gold Coast , not a question have asked understandably.

 

[sunny3193]

Don’t expect Giants will want to let him go either , expect Patton playing ruck soon.
Would think Briggs gets bigger offer to leave , that’s all , they will struggle 2020 if Cog’s stays
with salary cap ...lots of guns out of contract .

Could not say who at Stkilda would leave for Gold Coast , not a question have asked understandably.

I have no shame, you want me to ask?

 

[ScrappyDo]

Here are the maths.
I’ve thrown in Hately as well.

Jye Caldwell #11 (2018), points = 1,329
Aiden Bonar #11 (2017), points = 1,329
Jackson Hately #14, (2018), points = 1,161

Assumed:
Pick #5 (2019), points = 1,878, St Kilda
Pick #16 (2019), points = 1,067, GWS (as a FYI)
Pick #23 (2020), points = 815, St Kilda
Pick #34 (2020), points = 542, GWS

Provided there is not someone they absolutely want at #5, or they reap some benefit by gaining an Academy gun at a cheaper pick (#16), why would GWS do this deal?

Simply on a points basis:

Caldwell & Bonar = 2,658 or
Caldwell & Hately = 2,490

Both 600-800 more than the value of our pick #5.
Even if we add in our 2020 Future 2nd to close the deal, or a 2020 Future 2nd swap, it still means we’re about line ball points wise.

So what incentive is there for GWS to agree?

I just cannot see this deal happening.

Disclaimer: GWS’d agree if either, both or all of Caldwell/Bonar/Hately are duds.

PS: I don’t have an issue with chasing Caldwell given we were prepared to offer Adelaide our 2019 1st last year in order to get him. So clearly we rate him.

They would do that deal because Calders breaks down and Bonar hasn't squeezed in yet. But they wouldn't, coz it's a crap deal.
Probs offer them both an incentive and see what pops out. Get them on the cheap only...

 

[Mikka84]

What would we have to give for Jones and Papley? Both would be best 22 immediately and improve us.

 

[triggering bro]

What would we have to give for Jones and Papley? Both would be best 22 immediately and improve us.

Around pick 30 odd each or maybe a Dempster/Schneider 241 special.

 

[Xxxx66]

Around pick 30 odd each or maybe a Dempster/Schneider 241 special.

Still think we will get someone as part of the salary relief from the hannas deal

 

[cooperrules]

If we get pick 3 i would just get ben king and a later first round pick back from suns.

Lets juat get it over with so we can start climbing the ladder.

Weve got enough midfielders coming through anyway. We need use next year to find out if there any good. Were still a few years away from finals anyway.

 

[Mikka84]

Still think we will get someone as part of the salary relief from the hannas deal

Smart man

 

[bird_man]

A long way to go, but if Green wasn't bid on by the time our pick comes up I'd be offering it up for the Giants two first rounders. Grab a pair like Robertson and Stephens.

Giants get to grab a gun kid with 4 or 5 and get Green for peanuts. We get two midfielders that complement each other.

 

[Mikka84]

A long way to go, but if Green wasn't bid on by the time our pick comes up I'd be offering it up for the Giants two first rounders. Grab a pair like Robertson and Stephens.

Giants get to grab a gun kid with 4 or 5 and get Green for peanuts. We get two midfielders that complement each other.

But then they run the risk of the picks straight after us bidding?

 

[triggering bro]

If we get pick 3 i would just get ben king and a later first round pick back from suns.

Lets juat get it over with so we can start climbing the ladder.

Weve got enough midfielders coming through anyway. We need use next year to find out if there any good. Were still a few years away from finals anyway.

If we had pick 3 I’d be fairly comfortable giving that up for Bing AND Martin. Just quietly though, I reckon the Vic kid that goes at 3 would absolutely hate us!

 

[Gosaints12]

What would we have to give for Jones and Papley? Both would be best 22 immediately and improve us.

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[bird_man]

But then they run the risk of the picks straight after us bidding?

I don't get what you mean here Mikka?


Live trading. We have 4, Giants have 9 and 15.

Rowell, Anderson and Young go top 3.

We tell the Giants we are about to bid on Greene, or they can do a trade before we do.

We get 9 and 15. Giants get 4. Take Ash, use later picks on Greene.

We take Stephens and Robertson.

Obviously it doesn't work if Greene is bidded on before our pick.

 

[Mikka84]

I don't get what you mean here Mikka?


Live trading. We have 4, Giants have 9 and 15.

Rowell, Anderson and Young go top 3.

We tell the Giants we are about to bid on Greene, or they can do a trade before we do.

We get 9 and 15. Giants get 4. Take Ash, use later picks on Greene.

We take Stephens and Robertson.

Obviously it doesn't work if Greene is bidded on before our pick.

I don’t get what I mean either. All good.

 

[Human Person]

Anyone else watching the champs game?

 

[triggering bro]

Anyone else watching the champs game?

I just put it on. Who are we keeping an eye on? I noticed Ash, anyone else?

 

[triggering bro]

Flanders a couple of touches.

Hayden Young, potential top 3 shat himself twice in 60 seconds.

Number 4, Garcia for WA looks to have done a knee.

 

[Human Person]

Anyone else watching the champs game?

Damnit, just got called into work. Anyways, Liam Henry is the standout in the 1st.

 

[bird_man]

I'll have to give it look tonight.

How are Serong and Robertson going?