List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Thread

[pebblesofsand]

It actually makes me excited. We have been dithering too long with too many players in the past in the past and so good to see some quicker decision making.

We took a batch of late, rookie, supp and mid-season draft picks last season. Such picks are always going to be less likely to make it.

We have found some gold in Wilkie, and may be in some others. We have cut Young the least promising of the lot and this means we can look for more players that will make it.

We need to keep churning. This is how you discover the Marshall's and Wilkie's of the world.

100% agree with this especially with the late pick mature agers. Surely experienced AFL recruiters, staff and coaches should be able to tell after a season whether a player not only has the skills to play AFL but more importantly the mental attitude to make it in the game.

I suspect it was the more the later with Young rather than the skills that made the decision making a bit easier.

 

[D2D3]

My point was , that to most VFL observers who post here, it was clear he wasn't up to it.
How was it that recruiters who saw him in SAFL , where he played similarly, thought he was.
I can absolutely see why its hard to pick an 18yo, not knowing what he'll be like in 4 years, but Young wasn't young. He was 24, he had to be good already.

I agree that you'd think they should of been able to tell he wasn't up to it. My guess would be that it became more apparent in a professional environment, we traded up to get to him right? May suggest he was on other clubs radars as well. At least the decision was made early.

 

[Grav]

Is there any chance somehow that we can obtain another pick, even if it’s only a third rounder?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I agree that you'd think they should of been able to tell he wasn't up to it. My guess would be that it became more apparent in a professional environment, we traded up to get to him right? May suggest he was on other clubs radars as well. At least the decision was made early.

I'm sure we get sucked in by this.
We got Long because the Bullsdogs were reputed to want him.
I'm sure even back in the day when we picked obscure Brad Howard second round, it was said to be because we found out other clubs were going to take him.
Fake leaks?

 

[bird_man]

51 - Best available mid (hopefully we can get a slider)

82 - Biggie (I'm expecting a late bid)

100 - Wilkie upgrade (if we have the list spot, if not wait until next year)

Rookie - Ruckman (preferably a young state league ruckman)

Supplementary period - Partington (we can sign any player that was delisted within 12 months, much like a DFA)

 

[sammm]

StKilda are a dumb club.
As an Academy player they have had Biggy round at training. They might have known he was fast. They might have known he had a massive leap.
They might have known he was going into the State combine and said "Biggy...go...but just Cruise ... we know how good you are ".

And then if found out the Saints would-be up for draft tampering. Knowing our luck we would get caught

 

[Grav]

51 - Best available mid (hopefully we can get a slider)

82 - Biggie (I'm expecting a late bid)

100 - Wilkie upgrade (if we have the list spot, if not wait until next year)

Rookie - Ruckman (preferably a young state league ruckman)

Supplementary period - Partington (we can sign any player that was delisted within 12 months, much like a DFA)

If we upgrade Wilkie & seeing Pierce has gone, that leaves us with at least 2 rookie spots, correct?
If that is the case then hopefully Flynn Perez slides to 51 & Alex Smout as a rookie.
Seeing that I've had a good run with players I've liked in the past, Ledger, Walsh, Murdoch & am Clavarinos advocate, hopefully I haven't ruined these two careers before they get started.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If we upgrade Wilkie & seeing Pierce has gone, that leaves us with at least 2 rookie spots, correct?
If that is the case then hopefully Flynn Perez slides to 51 & Alex Smout as a rookie.
Seeing that I've had a good run with players I've liked in the past, Ledger, Walsh, Murdoch & am Clavarinos advocate, hopefully I haven't ruined these two careers before they get started.

Apart from worrying about who gets paid what.
If you upgrade Wilkie and take a pick in the Rookie draft , we don't get to choose until pick 5 in the Rookie draft.
If we are happy to pay full fare, we can get the same player in the regular draft, in case we are worried about one of the other clubs getting them.

Flynn Perez is 10 month into a knee reco, so may be a value pick for us, following the theme from last years draft.

 

[bird_man]

Apart from worrying about who gets paid what.
If you upgrade Wilkie and take a pick in the Rookie draft , we don't get to choose until pick 5 in the Rookie draft.
If we are happy to pay full fare, we can get the same player in the regular draft, in case we are worried about one of the other clubs getting them.

Flynn Perez is 10 month into a knee reco, so may be a value pick for us, following the theme from last years draft.

Good thinking. Probably not a great year to upgrade Wilkie with our lack of draft picks.

 

[Lenny2020]

I think Wilkie is being upgraded. Rookie contracts are only one year and he signed a two-year extension didn’t he? Joyce has to be upgraded.

So that’s two of the minimum three. Nyuon could be the third and then we take one in the rookie draft. Alternatively, we take Nyuon in the rookie draft so we can use pick 51 on the best available.

 

[hayes]

There’s no real need to upgrade Wilkie because he can play anyway can’t he.

 

[Pumpkin Head 25]

My point was , that to most VFL observers who post here, it was clear he wasn't up to it.
How was it that recruiters who saw him in SAFL , where he played similarly, thought he was.
I can absolutely see why its hard to pick an 18yo, not knowing what he'll be like in 4 years, but Young wasn't young. He was 24, he had to be good already.

It doesn't make sense that the SANFL would be so far behind when we got Wilkie in the same draft.

I think we just got caught up looking for speed.

He didn't have the runs on the board even at SANFL level.

The SANFL is as strong as any comp.

Often wonder what it is the recruiters are doing half the time. As I posted this time last year, a mate of mine who played at Claremont in the WAFL said Pickett was so far above in terms of class and was ready made for AFL. He genuinely couldn’t believe that no one picked him up in the draft. There were also quite a few on here that could clearly see that, in particular the WA based St Kilda supporters. It was obvious. Yet, instead of recruiting a fast, tough, indigenous lad who could seriously play footy (yes he was 27 with an interesting back story), we recruit Robbie. If everyone else can see the class of someone like Marlion, why can’t the so called professionals?

 

[Lenny2020]

Often wonder what it is the recruiters are doing half the time. As I posted this time last year, a mate of mine who played at Claremont in the WAFL said Pickett was so far above in terms of class and was ready made for AFL. He genuinely couldn’t believe that no one picked him up in the draft. There were also quite a few on here that could clearly see that, in particular the WA based St Kilda supporters. It was obvious. Yet, instead of recruiting a fast, tough, indigenous lad who could seriously play footy (yes he was 27 with an interesting back story), we recruit Robbie. If everyone else can see the class of someone like Marlion, why can’t the so called professionals?

We were interested in him but didn’t take him. I don’t know why though. Gold Coast were also interested.

 

[bird_man]

I think Wilkie is being upgraded. Rookie contracts are only one year and he signed a two-year extension didn’t he? Joyce has to be upgraded.

So that’s two of the minimum three. Nyuon could be the third and then we take one in the rookie draft. Alternatively, we take Nyuon in the rookie draft so we can use pick 51 on the best available.

No, you can keep a rookie on for 2 years. We did that with Marshall despite him signing on for longer.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Often wonder what it is the recruiters are doing half the time. As I posted this time last year, a mate of mine who played at Claremont in the WAFL said Pickett was so far above in terms of class and was ready made for AFL. He genuinely couldn’t believe that no one picked him up in the draft. There were also quite a few on here that could clearly see that, in particular the WA based St Kilda supporters. It was obvious. Yet, instead of recruiting a fast, tough, indigenous lad who could seriously play footy (yes he was 27 with an interesting back story), we recruit Robbie. If everyone else can see the class of someone like Marlion, why can’t the so called professionals?

We've been recruiting for 2022, not 2019.

From the start of the 2018 season it was pretty clear that the rebuild had been stuffed and policy had shifted with recruiting that year.

I think that pill was just too big for many supporters to swallow, and many have the same view as yourself in that they are only looking at the next season.

The club knew that Pickett would be 30 by the time it really mattered, so they went and got some younger guys that would be hitting their prime in 3 years.

We were lucky to get Bytel, but with a little hindsight now, only Robbie Young was a miss.

That same policy has taken Parker, Hind, Wilkie, Marsh and Mayo.
And brought in Dougal, Butler, Kent, Jones and Hanners.

No disrespect meant, but if you're not seeing the why of it all, then you should adjust your radar and temper your immediate expectations.

Our list was not what we thought, neither was our coach. It will take time to fix that level of pharkup...

 

[ScrappyDo]

No, you can keep a rookie on for 2 years. We did that with Marshall despite him signing on for longer.

The probable question is weather pick 23 in the rookie draft will be preferred over Newnes.
It's gonna be a pretty sh1t month for Jill...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No, you can keep a rookie on for 2 years. We did that with Marshall despite him signing on for longer.

You can keep a Rookie for three but after 2 i think they are essentially a free agent.

 

[plugger66]

Good thinking. Probably not a great year to upgrade Wilkie with our lack of draft picks.

Apart from the fact we will completely piss him off and he may want to leave. Of course we upgrade him because it’s clearly the right thing to do by him

 

[plugger66]

No, you can keep a rookie on for 2 years. We did that with Marshall despite him signing on for longer.

You can have a rookie for 20 years. It’s just after 2 he can be taken by some other club.

 

[sammm]

I think Wilkie is being upgraded. Rookie contracts are only one year and he signed a two-year extension didn’t he? Joyce has to be upgraded.

So that’s two of the minimum three. Nyuon could be the third and then we take one in the rookie draft. Alternatively, we take Nyuon in the rookie draft so we can use pick 51 on the best available.

don't we get 4 - 6 rookie picks?

 

[Highlander35]

don't we get 4 - 6 rookie picks?

I think excluding Cat Bs (like Alabakis), the total list size is capped at 44 before the supplementary periods: 38-40 Primary List, 4-6 Rookie list.

Including Brown and Newnes, and Roberton and McCartin the primary list currently has 37 on it. In addition, we have 5 Category A rookies: Joyce, Langlands, Wilkie, Marsh and Mayo. Joyce has had the maximum 3 consecutive years on the rookie list, so he needs to be promoted, or delisted and re-rookied.

Assuming we retained all our current players, we'd be taking 51 & 82 to the draft, using 100 to promote Joyce or Wilkie, and either take no new rookies or re-list Joyce. Then we'd likely select a supplementary player for McCartin in February.

Consequently, I don't think we're done with the list changes. At least not yet.

 

[Lenny2020]

Gallagher said we’d take three picks in the draft.

 

[plugger66]

Gallagher said we’d take three picks in the draft.

I think newnes and brown will probably both be delisted.

 

[lewdogs]

I think newnes and brown will probably both be delisted.

The money we've offered Newnes must be atrocious. Can't believe he hasn't signed considering there's 2 years in front of him.

 

[plugger66]

The money we've offered Newnes must be atrocious. Can't believe he hasn't signed considering there's 2 years in front of him.

Is there still an offer? Didn’t even know we offered him anything. Maybe he won’t be delisted then