List Mgmt. 2019 Draft/Trade/FA Thread - Final Wrap

[BrisbaneCFC]

No doubt people will jump on bandwagon when Suns starts winning. Just look at Broncos with crowds dropping significantly recently. It's a QLD thing - most people will support only winning teams. Lions now get 25K crowds or even sell out against Collingwood.

I definitely understand why some people are fed up or give up on Suns. 8 years is a long time, especially considering that first 6 years was a disaster.
But it does not take a lot of effort to see changes happening in the last 2 years except wins.

To my surprise even the Melbourne media despite 9 losses in a row can see the positives. The only thing which annoys me when media talk about how decimated Tigers are, how their young team logically faded in the last quarter against Crows and when they talk about Suns nobody mentions our injuries and that Suns field the youngest team by a large margin. 8-10 missing from best 22, including 2 best defenders. They should be asking why again we have so many injuries.

No they don't, don't believe the fake AFL crowd numbers. I have been to plenty of Lions games this year and last, and you could throw grenades into the stands and the schrapnel wouldn't hit anyone.

 

[Sun Stormer]

My excuse is VFL Umpires when all else fails

BUT
I think it’s all in the head
They need to be ruthless
Aim to destroy
Don’t be happy with competitive
When you have a sniff which we had today then go and kill the bastards

Ultimately it's really about the cattle and we just don't have a good enough herd. Coaches can only do so much but it's on field grit that we want. Bods is correct - not enough hard nuts, plenty of pretty boys who play well when the game is not at risk. We need some older heads to balance these guys. Where's our Cunnington, Oliver, Ziebel, Jones, Adams, Fyfe, Sloane, Yeo etc. Find one or two like that and we're on our way. It's why I said earlier we should have grabbed Pickett, parked him away for the season and unleashed him next year - watch Richmond do just that!

 

[Peel67skin]

My excuse is VFL Umpires when all else fails

BUT
I think it’s all in the head
They need to be ruthless
Aim to destroy
Don’t be happy with competitive
When you have a sniff which we had today then go and kill the bastards

Mr Bods, exactly If you go into matches thinking it is ok to lose because you are the youngest squad in AFL, bad luck, injuries and umpire, don't have the players you want, you already gave opponent 25 % advantage on mental side.

Players - i
it's OK for me to jog around because umpire is unfair anywhere.
It's OK for me to play average because Murdoch and GHS did not play better than me and get three year contract.
It's OK to be below par because GWS got better concession.

 

[SandyToes]

Where's our Cunnington, Oliver, Ziebel, Jones, Adams, Fyfe, Sloane, Yeo etc.

Dave Swallow again being underrated
But he can't do it on his own!

ok-I just vomited up a little in my mouth
Please do not tell me GHS got 3 years

 

[SunnerSS]

Ultimately it's really about the cattle and we just don't have a good enough herd. Coaches can only do so much but it's on field grit that we want. Bods is correct - not enough hard nuts, plenty of pretty boys who play well when the game is not at risk. We need some older heads to balance these guys. Where's our Cunnington, Oliver, Ziebel, Jones, Adams, Fyfe, Sloane, Yeo etc. Find one or two like that and we're on our way. It's why I said earlier we should have grabbed Pickett, parked him away for the season and unleashed him next year - watch Richmond do just that!

i wouldve thought recruiting a bloke with offield issues such as pickett, would be counter productive to building a strong culture at the club.

 

[Peel67skin]

Actually, the AFL Competition committee met last month to discuss wildcard finals round where 7th to 10th play off for places in the Elimination Finals AND an East Coast Reserves format of 18 teams similar to the NAB League with teams from the VFL and NEAFL. With Tasmania securing a spot in the NAB League and ambitions to grow a 2nd tier side before pressing for an AFL licence, there would be some serious competition for spots in such a comp, but the WAFL and SANFL want no part of it.

6 Victorian AFL teams = Collingwood, Richmond, Footscray, North, Geelong, Essendon
4 Victorian AFL affiliated teams = Casey, Box Hill, Northern Blues, Sandringham
plus 5 VFL teams and 6 NEAFL teams vying for 4 vacancies

In fact, Southport Sharks would have a pretty good case for inclusion given the desired 18 member teams, although Canberra, Northern Territory and Tassie would be frontrunners, which means that proud stand alone former VFA clubs like Port Melbourne, Williamstown, Werribee, Frankston and Coburg would seriously struggle to justify inclusion.

Mooted dates I've read are 2021 or 2022. Anyone got a better source?

I think both of you got more source that all of us. All I knew so far is AFL will try out Tasmanian in 2020 VFL first like Nab league.

 

[Ben Drever]

Someone must of changed the name of the thread.
To much bulldust in here atm.

 

[Cochblocked]

Was listening to the AFL exchange podcast and they were saying Jack Newnes (who is a free agent) is being chased 'up north' i reckon they were referring to us. Brandon Ellis (another free agent) Another that could be chased by us come later in the season.

 

[GCStormie]

I was hoping we'd throw the kitchen sink at Brandon Ellis last year.
I was ecstatic to hear we'd traded for two tigers in the trade period, expecting it to be Ellis and Miles.
Still think Ellis would be a great get for the club. Only question mark is is rumoured/alleged links with undesirable elements

 

[Supersuns]

I was hoping we'd throw the kitchen sink at Brandon Ellis last year.
I was ecstatic to hear we'd traded for two tigers in the trade period, expecting it to be Ellis and Miles.
Still think Ellis would be a great get for the club. Only question mark is is rumoured/alleged links with undesirable elements

Brandon Ellis is a bog average footballer, would honestly bring nothing to the club

 

[Supersuns]

Brandon Ellis with the premiership, 25 career Brownlow votes, 164 games before age 26, 60% win/loss record, averages 22 disposals and missed just 8 games in his career, 4 through injury and 4 VFL games. That Brandon Ellis?

Yes Brandon Ellis the vanilla squib

 

[Suns of Anarchy]

Brandon Ellis with the premiership, 25 career Brownlow votes, 164 games before age 26, 60% win/loss record, averages 22 disposals and missed just 8 games in his career, 4 through injury and 4 VFL games. That Brandon Ellis?

He’s definitely not that A grader we desperately need.

 

[Jen2310]

I'm not sure whether anyone listens to Pendles podcast, but today they had Jarryd Roughead on the show. When talked about his future plans; there seemed to be a common knowledge what he was planning on going into. Both Pendles and Jay Clark were on the same page and Roughy confirmed it. A leadership/recruiting/admin type of role; which funny enough is exactly what had been reported about in the media that Suns were gonna chase him after for 2020.

Coincidence? hm..

 

[SandyToes]

Who is?

Coniglio's about the only one on the market

 

[Mini GF]

I still believe that drafting a superstar or two is our only way up the ladder and then being a contender. Just gotta keep getting tickets in the lotto and just hoping to hit the jackpot.

 

[Cochblocked]

I still believe that drafting a superstar or two is our only way up the ladder and then being a contender. Just gotta keep getting tickets in the lotto and just hoping to hit the jackpot.

Chances are we already have. Just going to take time and develop them properly. For me, Macpherson is an example of one that's been done right. Had to force himself into the team, plays the Dew style, tackle hard and play well. Now he's killing it and a lot of people's favourite player. Much better than gifting guys games.

 

[gcsunsfc]

The same guy who was best on ground in round 9 against Hawthorn?

Eh, one coach gave him 3 votes, the other coach didn't think he was in the best 5 players on the ground.

 

[Mini GF]

Ellis had more effective disposals than Dusty, same as Houli.
Ellis has the 2nd most clearances, most rebound 50s, most inside 50s.
Others got the opposition coach's attention. So what.
Brandon Ellis got named in the best on ground, as I said, so you have just proven my point.

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Why is there a discussion occurring on the merits of this guy??

 

[gcsunsfc]

Yes he obviously played well that particular game.
He wasn't best on ground as you said.

I think he started the year in position 18-22 in the Tigers team.
With a few injuries his position has been sured up

My take is he's a guy that plays well in a good team, but not a difference maker. Wouldn't turn the tide for us.
Obviously a better option than a GHS

 

[gcsunsfc]

Why is there a discussion occurring on the merits of this guy??

Because there is discussion on potential free agent targets.
He's one of them.
Pretty reasonable to discuss the merits of potential free agents.

 

[Mini GF]

Because there is discussion on potential free agent targets.
He's one of them.
Pretty reasonable to discuss the merits of potential free agents.

No need for that last sentence. Good grief.
Has he been linked at all to us? Or is it just dreaming.

 

[Mini GF]

Because he is an unrestricted Free Agent at the end of this year who is unsigned for 2020. There are only 2 others in that category, Stephen Conglio and Jack Newnes are the others. He is just turning 26, whereas others in the category are much older or restricted.

Yawn. Best on ground means he was named in the best. There are several other ways it is measured, coaches being one of them. The point is that you are rating players either excellent or hopeless and never in between. Give your analysis some nuance because this guy could be a Sun in a few months and the first thing he reads shouldn't be your asinine comments.

Thanks great man. Gee there is little out there. That reinforces my view we need to keep going back to the draft.
I don’t want to pay way overs for these guys. It bites you with the salary cap and hurts you in other areas.

 

[Cochblocked]

Yes, good example. It is MacPherson and Holman smashing into contests and creating opportunities rather than our over-hyped high draft picks.

You need both. De Boer going out for GWS is a massive loss for them despite the fact he's not one of their early picks. If they lost Coniglio it'd be massive as well just in a different way. Everything i've seen of King and Lukosius has been promising so far.

 

[Sunny_]

Newnes would be a good get for us IMO.

 

[briztoon]

Coniglio price is surely too expensive. Where would we find money for Martin, Ah Chee, Day, Brodie, Nicholls, Rankine, King and Lukosius, let alone the other 17 spots on the roster? One answer to that question is something NFL franchises gamble on when they predict how much the next salary cap increase is going to be, then frontload contracts gambling on having access to extra money, the risk being that they commit to too much in advance and then have to start trading talented players for high draft picks to bring their cap down, thereby negating their list building in the present for mistakes in the past.

On the other hand, getting the AFL's help to land Coniglio for free would go a very long way toward making up the difference between what they gave GWS and GCS in each club's set up stages. Extra space in the salary cap for a few years ought to do it.

Under the current agreement which began in 2017, the salary cap increases are set until 2022, so every club knows what the cap is for the next three years beyond this year.