List Mgmt. 2019 Draft/Trade/FA Thread - Final Wrap

[Cochblocked]

Will just confirm that the club is making the right decision when they let him go

Which will be worth it then.

 

[CommittedSuns]

Isn’t there suppose to be a good ruck in this years or next years draft? Maybe we roll the dice and pick up a ruck that way. I remember Grundy’s year I was dumbfounded he slipped so low

 

[OB11]

Isn’t there suppose to be a good ruck in this years or next years draft? Maybe we roll the dice and pick up a ruck that way. I remember Grundy’s year I was dumbfounded he slipped so low

Just pick up aruck from a state league that either has some forward craft or can play as a follower around the ground - Nicholls just taps the ball and is then a non-factor

 

[2010premier]

They will retain Nicholls unless there is a better cheap back up ruck option, you suspect there probably is in a state league of another club that has extra rucks. Zac Smith?

 

[Cochblocked]

They will retain Nicholls unless there is a better cheap back up ruck option, you suspect there probably is in a state league of another club that has extra rucks. Zac Smith?

I think even OB11 will say that's a worse option and that's saying something.

 

[OB11]

If you've got 2MP and Crossley who can back up in the ruck in the 1s you may as well pick a player that you can develop to be part of the future. Nicholls has no scope to develop and never wanted it bad enough.

 

[OB11]

I think even OB11 will say that's a worse option and that's saying something.

Agreed - although both will be out of the league after this year

 

[gcsunsfc]

I thought he used the ball well and was influential from what I saw.

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I only saw quarter 2+3 which he had 4 and 1 possessions in respectively.

Had 9 possessions in the last quarter, so maybe finished well.

Given 15 of his possessions were uncontested you would want him to use them well.


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[gcsunsfc]

Isn’t there suppose to be a good ruck in this years or next years draft? Maybe we roll the dice and pick up a ruck that way. I remember Grundy’s year I was dumbfounded he slipped so low

Kid called Jackson - think he’s WA.
Basketballer, tall forward but on twoomeys podcast they said could be an around the ground high possession ruckman and used Grundy as the comparison.. obviously very optimistic.


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[gcsunsfc]

Jarrod Witts currently has an average that will be the best in AFL history if he can sustain it until Round 22. In fact, he's 8th all time for most hitouts in a season posted in 2018 and all the others except Will Minson in 2013 played more games with worse averages. He's playing in career best form of his life and at GOAT standards, but you say he's struggling.

Witts gets a huge number of hit outs and probably follows the coaches instructions the drop it at the feet.

I think that comes across to some fans (including me some games) as a failure to convert his dominance into any meaningful outcome. As we don’t seem to benefit with high clearance numbers as a large proportion of his hit outs are not to advantage - one of the worst in the competition for this.

He averages 11.3 hit outs to advantage(HOA) per week, 25.1% hit out to advantage% (HOA%)

By comparison
Gawn 14.9 HOA, 36% HOA%
Grundy 11.8 HOA, 28.1%
Mumford 12.4, 32%
Goldstein 10.9, 32.3%
O’Brien 10.3, 28.4%
Lycett 7.8, 32.4%
Kreuzer 8.5, 28.2%
Martin 7.1, 28.8%
Darcy, 7.5, 24%
Marshall 6.7, 23.7%
Sinclair 5.3, 19.9%

Overall though, he’s having a great year - no doubt about that.
His opponent last week - first year ruckman Marshall was ‘best on ground’ but that is the only time for the year an opposing ruckman has been awarded votes by the coaches.

Think a bit of Recency bias in any thought that he is struggling.

Witts killed Mumford against gws just 2 weeks ago.



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[Cochblocked]

Jarrod Witts currently has an average that will be the best in AFL history if he can sustain it until Round 22. In fact, he's 8th all time for most hitouts in a season posted in 2018 and all the others except Will Minson in 2013 played more games with worse averages. He's playing in career best form of his life and at GOAT standards, but you say he's struggling.

As i said not in form but in workload. He was limping last match as the commentators noted. Had his hand stood on in the Port game and had a few other niggles the past few weeks. It's not a surprise Day was helped him out in the last match. I'm aware of what his stats are.

 

[Cochblocked]

Witts gets a huge number of hit outs and probably follows the coaches instructions the drop it at the feet.

I think that comes across to some fans (including me some games) as a failure to convert his dominance into any meaningful outcome. As we don’t seem to benefit with high clearance numbers as a large proportion of his hit outs are not to advantage - one of the worst in the competition for this.

He averages 11.3 hit outs to advantage(HOA) per week, 25.1% hit out to advantage% (HOA%)

By comparison
Gawn 14.9 HOA, 36% HOA%
Grundy 11.8 HOA, 28.1%
Mumford 12.4, 32%
Goldstein 10.9, 32.3%
O’Brien 10.3, 28.4%
Lycett 7.8, 32.4%
Kreuzer 8.5, 28.2%
Martin 7.1, 28.8%
Darcy, 7.5, 24%
Marshall 6.7, 23.7%
Sinclair 5.3, 19.9%

Overall though, he’s having a great year - no doubt about that.
His opponent last week - first year ruckman Marshall was ‘best on ground’ but that is the only time for the year an opposing ruckman has been awarded votes by the coaches.

Think a bit of Recency bias in any thought that he is struggling.

Witts killed Mumford against gws just 2 weeks ago.



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As i said Witts has being doing great his form isn't an issue it's just his workload is so high that i worry about his body. In the last few weeks it looks like he's been carrying something and i remember there was even some talk he might be out with injury.

 

[gcsunsfc]

Best players in allies vs. WA game as per davo27
- he is an avid drafter watcher and often has ideas different to the masses
Budarick gets a nice write up - only member of suns academy to do so.


1. Robertson - WA - again doing a tonne of inside work, getting clean handballs to team mates in the clear, his kicking was a bit wayward this game but a small knock on a very good game.
2. O'Neill - Allies - worked his way into contests and used the ball very well, took on opponents and showed some run, one of his best games for the year, seems to step up to the higher level of football comfortably
3. Rivers - WA - really commanded half back, won a lot of ball and used it cleverly out of defence
4. Garcia - WA - played good on the inside again, he and Robertson make a clean handling partnership in the centre and his agility to get around opponents makes him a valuable midfielder
5. Warner - WA - tough inside mid, lacks a bit of athleticism, but makes up for it through blue collar tough football, kicks the ball more efficiently than it seems
6. Green - Allies - he is always in the middle of a pack getting hands free and getting a clearance, he is just a clearance bull always with a tackler hanging off him, had a tough day with WA having some big bodies that were all over him
7. Sharp - WA - he is athlete and footballer rolled into 1, he is tall, quick, can kick long goals, agile, flexible, his kicking has been a bit off, but he has all the attributes you look for a first rounder, kicked a nice long goal, took a few runs, mixed disposal this game, but i expect him to go high on draft night
8. Budarick - Allies - put in a great effort and stood out as a talent during the game, works hard, runs hard, is a rare good user of the ball for the Allies
9. Taylor - WA - some special moments and good snaps at goal, he has great athletic qualities and will likely get drafted but its hard to know where as he is also a bit laconic, in and out of games, kicked 3 goals
10. Thorne - WA - a little guy and not likely to get drafted but has pace and gives it his all, 3 goal haul to help WA regain the lead was a good performance.

Gaden got injured and Ruscoe was playing sore, both are unlucky not to be in the bests, both had good games also, i also thought Murphy, Anderson and Gulden showed a bit, the commentator seemed to really like a few things Rosas did too.

 

[gcsunsfc]

Thanks.

I'm not sure all opinions on our games are objective so I thought I'd post an alternate opinion. I did state he has different opinions from others.
Not sure why it matters what club he supports.

Any links you've got to a neutral write up and 'best on list'?

 

[briztoon]

Going to post here, but replying to comments made in the Suns Lounge thread.

Himmelberg is not a QLD’er.

He grew up in the GWS academy, along with his older brother. His family moved to Brisbane in his last year of school and he was in Brisbane’s academy.

He’s not coming “home”.


If Adelaide did trade pick 1/2 for Lukosius, they’d also be wanting a pick in the teens back, or your 2020 second round pick at the very least.

 

[briztoon]

The WA ruck is pretty similar to Stef Martin, athletic, undersized ruck with a strong frame, just with a better kick.


If you had picks one and two and were going Rowell and Anderson, may as well trade for a second round pick and try and draft Oakleigh and Vic Metro ruck, Nick Bryan.

 

[Cochblocked]

Witts had trouble getting going against the Saints, with only 5 hitouts at quarter time to Day's 8. He waved off the hand thing in the final quarter. Witts seems like the kind of guy who frequently plays through injury, but it would be great to see him taking more marks and kicking goals, naturally.

He certainly does seem tough when it comes to bumps and knocks. Just hope we're planned for the day when he has an injury which forces him out for a while.

 

[gcsunsfc]

Ok, good for Dirk and Connor.
Happy that they're playing well.
Be good if Gore keeps kicking goals. Smaller forwards who kicked goals in last years champs mostly ended up drafted (cameron, rankine, mchenry) or are highly rated this year (serong, flanders)

I've just seen on AFL draft central website they have game stats - not updated yet for this weekends games.
Budarick had 15 with 6 tackles first game.
Be keen to see stats when second game available.

 

[OB11]

Like Mitch O'Neill if he was there with a pick in the teens. On the smaller side but his outside run and ball use would be a welcome addition.

 

[OB11]

Going to post here, but replying to comments made in the Suns Lounge thread.

Himmelberg is not a QLD’er.

He grew up in the GWS academy, along with his older brother. His family moved to Brisbane in his last year of school and he was in Brisbane’s academy.

He’s not coming “home”.


If Adelaide did trade pick 1/2 for Lukosius, they’d also be wanting a pick in the teens back, or your 2020 second round pick at the very least.

With this trade it would have to be Crows making all the running as no way would we be putting his name on the block to get pick 1 or 2. As such it would be hard for the Crows to ask for the world.

 

[Peel67skin]

Crossley and Ace were probably unlucky not to get mentioned. Ace was in everything and running into space really well to be able to receive kicks and handballs, with his aggressive tackling earning him a few free kicks against whereas one of the calls was deadset holding the ball and he let the umpire know about it.

Ashton was late off the bench, but when he started to assert himself on the game he could have had a couple of goals himself and I thought he had a decent amount of involvement but the commentators couldn't pick him out and his #12 jersey often got confused with Will Martyn's #15, who had a good game but was attributed on the live stream with Crossley's work. "Is that Crossley?" was said a few times before they twigged to the fact that he was influencing the game on the inside.

Gore's 2 goals could have been 5. He had a behind and a miskick, while there was a comical run towards goal where the players left the ball behind as they ran into open goal, but nobody was laughing as WA streamed up the wing with the ball and nailed the goal that opened the floodgates. Not at all Josh's fault, but he would be feeling there were more goals to be had. Admittedly, I didn't watch the final quarter where the Allies mounted a late comeback, but don't know which players were prominent.

I did watched the last quarter, All GC academy players deserve to get bid or pick up in the top 30 from other teams, they all played better than WA only inaccurate kicking let the team down.

 

[Peel67skin]

Considering how well they played last week against Southport, the 5 Suns boys were out to show Luke Power why he should retain them all for the final 2 games of the tournament. I will also make the call now that Vic Country and WA are the 2 best teams and will match up in 2 weeks to decide the tournament winner unless SA beat Vic Country next week in Geelong. Vic Metro have the two best players, but I don't see their players dominating the draft like in recent years.

Compare to GC academy players don't know why Fremantle NGA academy player Liam Henry hype up so much as first round pick like Budarick , is he another Powell?

 

[briztoon]

With this trade it would have to be Crows making all the running as no way would we be putting his name on the block to get pick 1 or 2. As such it would be hard for the Crows to ask for the world.

Totally agree.

But the discussion I referred to in the other thread was Luko wanting to go home.

 

[CommittedSuns]

Based on our current draft hand we would be looking at drafting 3 players in the national draft... I reckon we will take the first rounders to the draft and try and trade in some third rounders for Budarick. Therefore 3 list spots would be required. Nutting, Nicholls and Young are who I reckon would be on thin list at the moment if no trades are too occur. Whilst I think we have plenty of good academy players I can’t foresee any others being picked up unless it’s as rookies. Then you will need clean up the rookie list which seems likely with Leslie, Rischitelli, Heron, Wigg all likely to go. Unless we delist or trade a few players I think we can expect a boring trade period unlike last year.

 

[Peel67skin]

I rated Budarick but he is not Rankine and due to his height normally other club don't dare to bid early. I put him around the same pick as bailey Scott,, GC Richmond third round pick should be enough, can always borrow next year pick if not enough point or trade next year second Rd out to Sydney, they current have pick 5,26,41, 51,55,59 or Bulldog 4,22, 40,43, 44.

* don't panic everybody want GCS second Rd normally equal to late first round.