List Mgmt. 2019 Draft/Trade/FA Thread - Final Wrap

[Greendogg]

This makes sense to me, if we can fit it under the cap. If Carlton or anyone else wants him next year, then they can trade for him and we get something back, something good because we stood up last time.
If he plays well maybe he stays.. the contract from all reports is cheap on the back end making him very valuable after the first year..
It's a no brainer.

 

[NOBBYS]

Take it as gospel Jack Martin will not be playing for Suns next year.
What he has produced in the last two years I wouldn't pay $200000 not alone $1 Mill.
The club made its stance,now time to move on .

 

[TheSunGod]

Can’t see us doing it but fu** it would be funny

Reckon Martin would sack his manager right after we call his name out, but he’s too lazy to probably even do that.

 

[Scotty_222]

Noticed Brett Deledio that’s signed with hawthorn as a development player coach in the vfl.
Interested as to why we didn’t look at this type of high caliber player.
Would of been perfect for us.

 

[Greendogg]

Lot of people pissed at the thought of spending a mill on Martin, but it's business. We have to spend the money anyway because we need to spend 95% of the cap. So we are buying two things, 1, is the trade value at the end of 2020 and 2, is the hope that he turns his career around.

 

[Ben Drever]

Seriously they didnt take Crouch who could have been the Suns version of Lachie Neale but would consider taking back Martin who would be the most unqualified player ever to earn a million. If this team wants to get off the bottom forget the games , forget the players back stories and just concentrate on selecting the 53 players who will play their best football on the Gold Coast . Simple

Million dollar club.

Tom Boyd says hello

 

[Greendogg]

These picks weren’t earnt , they were given because we were the worst team in the competition and should be used to get the team competitive as soon as possibe not to puff out your chest. Seems too many recruitment decisions and player movements are based around how much airtime

he won the Bulldogs a premiership.Thing I don’t get is that with Martin leaving we have 5 picks, 4 if Holman elevated. Does that mean they won’t use pick 20 so they can puff their chest out for Martin in the pre season draft

We can trade it for a future or bundle it to move up the draft.

 

[TheSunGod]

Lot of people pissed at the thought of spending a mill on Martin, but it's business. We have to spend the money anyway because we need to spend 95% of the cap. So we are buying two things, 1, is the trade value at the end of 2020 and 2, is the hope that he turns his career around.

As much as Carlton supporters want to claim he’ll only play for them, by entering the PSD he has signed an agreement to play for whoever selects him. Funniest thing would be if all clubs baulked at his terms and passed on selecting him.

 

[GCStormie]

These picks weren’t earnt , they were given because we were the worst team in the competition and should be used to get the team competitive as soon as possibe not to puff out your chest. Seems too many recruitment decisions and player movements are based around how much airtime

he won the Bulldogs a premiership.Thing I don’t get is that with Martin leaving we have 5 picks, 4 if Holman elevated. Does that mean they won’t use pick 20 so they can puff their chest out for Martin in the pre season draft

If you're recruiting Martin its with an eye to offloading him next year.
Making a bet that you can get more than a 'pick 20' value either via trade or FA Compensation (latter more likely), If GC have the cap room its not a bad play in my opinion. Especially since with all the extra rookie spots you have a guy that likely wont be committed isnt as big a deal as would be the case if he made up a greater % of your overall list.
Plus you still get 20 to trade in live trading.

edit:
Im a dumb dumb. he wont be eligble for FA due to having to get him in draft now. was only an option by giving him a 1 yr contract

 

[Unders00]

We can trade it for a future or bundle it to move up the draft.

Or just not elevate Holman

 

[Jirik13]

Thing I don’t get is that with Martin leaving we have 5 picks, 4 if Holman elevated. Does that mean they won’t use pick 20 so they can puff their chest out for Martin in the pre season draft

At the moment, Martin is delisted so we got 5 spots on the senior list provided Holman is still a rookie. If we do re-draft Martin then we still have 4 spots left on our senior list for our 4 picks (1, 2, 15, 20). If we manage to bundle 15 + 20 for top 10 pick or trade e.g. pick 20 for future first we then use only 3 picks in the draft and Holman can be elevated to the senior list. No problem as I see it. Holman gives us the flexibility.

I guess players, leadership group would have a say in Martin's decision too. If they say we don't want him around he will not be re-drafted.

 

[Sunstar]

At the moment, Martin is delisted so we got 5 spots on the senior list provided Holman is still a rookie. If we do re-draft Martin then we still have 4 spots left on our senior list for our 4 picks (1, 2, 15, 20). If we manage to bundle 15 + 20 for top 10 pick or trade e.g. pick 20 for future first we then use only 3 picks in the draft and Holman can be elevated to the senior list. No problem as I see it. Holman gives us the flexibility.

I guess players, leadership group would have a say in Martin's decision too. If they say we don't want him around he will not be re-drafted.

Someone said Holman has to be elevated as it’s his third year

 

[Jirik13]

Someone said Holman has to be elevated as it’s his third year

Pretty sure a player can be 3 years on the rookie list. We could have delisted and re-rookie another player (e.g. GHS, C. Ellis) similar to Schoenfeld to create an additional spot on the senior list. We still have 3 rookie spots available even with Holman on the rookie list. Since we did not do it, it looks like Holman is indeed on the rookie list at the moment.

1. A Club may retain a Player on its Rookie List for a third season provided it nominates such Player or Players using Form 32 prior to advising the AFL of its Primary List under Rule 6.1(a) and such Player consents to being nominated on the Rookie List for a third season. If a Player is retained under this Rule 10.9, any amount he is paid in excess of the 1st year third round draft selection Player payment will be included in the Club’s Total Player Payments.

 

[Sunstar]

Pretty sure a player can be 3 years on the rookie list. We could have delisted and re-rookie another player (e.g. GHS, C. Ellis) similar to Schoenfeld to create an additional spot on the senior list. We still have 3 rookie spots available even with Holman on the rookie list. Since we did not do it, it looks like Holman is indeed on the rookie list at the moment.

Holman signed a two year contract unlike the other rookies , wonder if this affects things

 

[SandyToes]

I'd be okay with redrafting Martin purely as a tactical move
It's one year of salary cap pressure and presumably everyone gets paid in 2020 if we're stumping up another 300k for him
Thing is we've come this far

 

[Mini GF]

I'd be okay with redrafting Martin purely as a tactical move
It's one year of salary cap pressure and presumably everyone gets paid in 2020 if we're stumping up another 300k for him

So he’s going to get a million in year one and then after that he’s much cheaper as it’s front ended.
Well we aren’t going to add anymore players for 2020 other than drafted rookies and kids so if we have the money we get him and pay him.

Then either of two things happens
A-he plays well and is rejuvenated and we have him on the cheap for the remaining 4 years
B-he’s still a pain and we trade him and get something for him at the end of this year rather than the current situation which is zero.

I’m in for re-drafting him.

 

[SandyToes]

So he’s going to get a million in year one and then after that he’s much cheaper as it’s front ended.
Well we aren’t going to add anymore players for 2020 other than drafted rookies and kids so if we have the money we get him and pay him.

Then either of two things happens
A-he plays well and is rejuvenated and we have him on the cheap for the remaining 4 years
B-he’s still a pain and we trade him and get something for him at the end of this year rather than the current situation which is zero.

I’m in for re-drafting him.

These are my thoughts too
What we get for Martin next year we can add to the Crouch deal if he still wants to come
I was thinking no, but I'm starting to think yes
I mean by all reports Brad Crouch is playing for a team this year he doesn't want to be with
Joe Daniher too
I reckon I know what the Coch is thinking lol

 

[Sunstar]

These are my thoughts too
What we get for Martin next year we can add to the Crouch deal if he still wants to come
I was thinking no, but I'm starting to think yes
I mean by all reports Brad Crouch is playing for a team this year he doesn't want to be with
Joe Daniher too
I reckon I know what the Coch is thinking lol

So basically the reason for picking up Martin again is Free Agency. Martin gets picked as a million dollar player , stays on the list for a year. He then leaves as a free agent and the Suns get band one (first round compensation) as he is the highest paid player. Brilliant but ???

 

[OB11]

So he’s going to get a million in year one and then after that he’s much cheaper as it’s front ended.
Well we aren’t going to add anymore players for 2020 other than drafted rookies and kids so if we have the money we get him and pay him.

Then either of two things happens
A-he plays well and is rejuvenated and we have him on the cheap for the remaining 4 years
B-he’s still a pain and we trade him and get something for him at the end of this year rather than the current situation which is zero.

I’m in for re-drafting him.

I don't think he has to nominate his salary for the entire deal.

My understanding is that he may need to nominate the first 2 years salary and then presumably he gives the Blues the cheap sweetheart deal for years 3-5 that he doesn't have to give us.

 

[Iva Bigun]

From a purely business standpoint, he is the best player in the PSD and we have the first pick. Pick him

 

[SandyToes]

He may moonboot all season but again plenty of players have chased leather at clubs they don't want to be at

 

[Sunstar]

From a purely business standpoint, he is the best player in the PSD and we have the first pick. Pick him

Pride and respect within the playing group is worth more than $$$

 

[SandyToes]

So basically the reason for picking up Martin again is Free Agency. Martin gets picked as a million dollar player , stays on the list for a year. He then leaves as a free agent and the Suns get band one (first round compensation) as he is the highest paid player. Brilliant but ???

What's the downside of redrafting him?
We have to spend the salary cap, and any guy we pick up in the PSD and pay $300k to aint gonna be worth jack squiddly this time next year
The draft and player agency rules were put in place to protect Clubs but they're manipulated by players and agents
We're just manipulating another year to get us to free agency with him
I'm not against it
I don't love it but I'm not against it

 

[SandyToes]

Pride and respect within the playing group is worth more than $$$

No it's not

 

[Jen2310]

Its a fun thought, but I don't think it will happen. I think in the end, they'll respect his right to be somewhere else, and just move on.
At the end of the day, you don't want players who don't want to be at your club.