List Mgmt. 2019 Draft/Trade/FA Thread - Final Wrap

[CommittedSuns]

If Matt Rowell is anything like Sam Walsh we will get two first rounders at the end of 2 years!!! Damn Walsh is a freak why couldn’t we get the spoon last year

 

[SUNS]

If Matt Rowell is anything like Sam Walsh we will get two first rounders at the end of 2 years!!! Damn Walsh is a free why couldn’t we get the spoon last year

A month or two ago they were saying he is as good if not better. Is that still holding firm thus far in the U18 carnivals? I'm so out of touch

 

[CommittedSuns]

A month or two ago they were saying he is as good if not better. Is that still holding firm thus far in the U18 carnivals? I'm so out of touch

They have mentioned he hasn’t put a foot out of place. His numbers are lower than Walsh however

 

[SUNS]

They have mentioned he hasn’t put a foot out of place. His numbers are lower than Walsh however

How is Anderson holding up?

 

[CommittedSuns]

How is Anderson holding up?

His going okay but Rowell is becoming more of a clear cut pick 1.

 

[Peel67skin]

I don’t see any positive in getting pick one, the top 2 ranked players are Vic Metro kids so likely gone at the end of their contract. More concerning is we are going backwards, we can pretend otherwise but ladder position doesn’t lie

What do you want? if you team is not good enough you get No 1 pick, Carlton don't said No to WALSH why you are so arrogant and don't want help. GWS don't said no to Taranto and all those dodgy academy players. I would get some GWS recruiters team in, GCS just crap ar picking players.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Not sure about that. The Lions were stone cold last in 2017 and yet the general perception was they were improving, heading in the right direction.

Even if last place is ours, we have to try and mimick that type of season — for good chunks of it so far, we have.

I guess it’s all in the way you look at it, for me our 3 wins were by less than a goal, could easily not have won a game, we have been smashed by clubs around us at the bottom of the ladder and haven’t had a win in 10 weeks.

Sure you can say we could of won a couple of the other close ones and the season would look different but for me we are frustratingly poor

 

[Sunny_]

When we have a fit list we are probably not the worst, but with our current injuries we are comfortably the worst team in the comp right now. I'm looking forward to getting some bodies back soon but we are desperately missing Bowes and Ainsworth.

We do look more competitive and less flaky but I cannot see another W for us this year with how we just turn off in the middle of games.

 

[briztoon]

If Matt Rowell is anything like Sam Walsh we will get two first rounders at the end of 2 years!!! Damn Walsh is a freak why couldn’t we get the spoon last year

Rowell is not like Sam Walsh.

Rowell is much more similar to Andrew Brayshaw. He's a safe pick.

He has a high floor, but a lower ceiling compared to players like Anderson or Brodie Kemp. It's a tuff situation for the Suns. The "safe" pick, or the player that could be a match winner and Anderson and Kemp have match winner potential.

For the Suns it does suck the we (the Lions) are out performing expectations. You really needed that second top 10 pick, because you could have gone a Kemp or Anderson at pick 1, and picked up a player in the same mould as Rowell, in Deven Robertson or Caleb Serong, or even a slightly more outside but class player in Dylan Stephens with that second pick.

 

[lionshine]

Matthew Rowell would be the perfect addition to your young, exciting, developing list. An A grade, consistent midfielder. A guaranteed 200 gamer in the mould of Whitfield/Kelly/McCluggage/Walsh(Not in game style but in terms of just knowing they are going to adapt to AFL level early and play 200 quality games). A relatively "safe" bet, however, a gun nonetheless and would compliment a higher ceiling, excitement machine like Rankine nicely.

I see a lot of people say the Suns don't have any A graders, I can see the likes of Ainsworth, Rankine and Rowell(Plus others) being A graders for you guys in the not too distant future.

 

[briztoon]

If GWS win the GF and we get the spoon I think we’d have a compelling argument to have parity picks given to us to make up the ten first round draft pick shortfall

Sadly I believe priority picks are done and dusted.

The league will look at other ways of helping struggling teams. Either by installing competent off field managers and staff, or as last year, giving teams first pick of the mature age players from lower leagues.

 

[OB11]

Ran out of legs.
In need of Bowes and Ainsworth without them our midfield rotation is dire

In all honesty Ainsworth is a much better small forward than a midfielder and Bowes is classy but doesn't help with the midfield's overall lack of leg speed.

 

[OB11]

Rowell is not like Sam Walsh.

Rowell is much more similar to Andrew Brayshaw. He's a safe pick.

He has a high floor, but a lower ceiling compared to players like Anderson or Brodie Kemp. It's a tuff situation for the Suns. The "safe" pick, or the player that could be a match winner and Anderson and Kemp have match winner potential.

For the Suns it does suck the we (the Lions) are out performing expectations. You really needed that second top 10 pick, because you could have gone a Kemp or Anderson at pick 1, and picked up a player in the same mould as Rowell, in Deven Robertson or Caleb Serong, or even a slightly more outside but class player in Dylan Stephens with that second pick.

Rowell = Andrew Brayshaw ??

Rowell's CV shits on Andrew Brayshaw's.

Rowell is safe but in a Cunnington style A grader, not a vanilla player like Brayshaw or a Witherden.

I'll take my 200 gamer to the bank in an area of the ground that we need a sure thing, as opposed to taking a gamble on a player like Cam Rayner.

Watched Rayner today, he has lost all his confidence and swagger. Ian Baker Finch putts better than he can shoot for goal. We got Scrimshaw, you got Rayner - there is always the chance of picking a bust on these high ceiling guys.

 

[Drunkcat]

I think you guy's as a club look better than ever I now see a good future for the Suns, so chin up guy's

 

[briztoon]

Rowell = Andrew Brayshaw ??

Rowell's CV ****s on Andrew Brayshaw's.

Rowell is safe but in a Cunnington style A grader, not a vanilla player like Brayshaw or a Witherden.

I'll take my 200 gamer to the bank in an area of the ground that we need a sure thing, as opposed to taking a gamble on a player like Cam Rayner.

Watched Rayner today, he has lost all his confidence and swagger. Ian Baker Finch putts better than he can shoot for goal. We got Scrimshaw, you got Rayner - there is always the chance of picking a bust on these high ceiling guys.

I'm not sure you understood the reference.

Rowell is a safe pick.

Brayshaw was a safe pick.

Not that they are the same player. First player I was going to use as a comparison for a safe pick was Andrew McGrath, but was concerned people would think I was saying Rowell was like a HBF.


Don't understand the need for you to then sh!t on some Lions players.


The conversation is about potential draftees at pick 1. You haven't picked a kid yet, no need to get invested in them and defend them and then sh!t on the oppositions teams kids.

 

[OB11]

Sadly I believe priority picks are done and dusted.

The league will look at other ways of helping struggling teams. Either by installing competent off field managers and staff, or as last year, giving teams first pick of the mature age players from lower leagues.

We will see. The AFL have already given us mature talent, and then gave away this year's mature talent in a mid-season draft.

The AFL has already given us Mark Evans and off field resources.

It would be unprecedented of recent times, but the AFL are not an organisation of a strong moral code and hard and fast rules, they are all about expediency.

There is only so many levers left to pull now.

 

[OB11]

I'm not sure you understood the reference.

Rowell is a safe pick.

Brayshaw was a safe pick.

Not that they are the same player. First player I was going to use as a comparison for a safe pick was Andrew McGrath, but was concerned people would think I was saying Rowell was like a HBF.


Don't understand the need for you to then sh!t on some Lions players.


The conversation is about potential draftees at pick 1. You haven't picked a kid yet, no need to get invested in them and defend them and then sh!t on the oppositions teams kids.

Apologies - I don't think you meant it to be condescending, it's just how I took it.

With Scott Clayton's draft history I've become risk averse to trying to hit home runs with draft picks.

I actually really like Kemp, but not a fan of Anderson as too inconsistent.

 

[briztoon]

We will see. The AFL have already given us mature talent, and then gave away this year's mature talent in a mid-season draft.

The AFL has already given us Mark Evans and off field resources.

It would be unprecedented of recent times, but the AFL are not an organisation of a strong moral code and hard and fast rules, they are all about expediency.

There is only so many levers left to pull now.

And this is where I see the media narrative as also playing a part. The Suns are now generating the same type of positive media stories the Lions started getting towards the end of Fagan's first season, and then it ramped up last season.

Suns and Carlton weren't the only teams to go to the AFL asking for assistance at the beginning of last offseason. St Kilda and the Lions did as well. We were told that we looked like we had turned the corner and it was all about patience and the team improving organically from here on out.

 

[Ben Drever]

Rowell is not like Sam Walsh.

Rowell is much more similar to Andrew Brayshaw. He's a safe pick.

He has a high floor, but a lower ceiling compared to players like Anderson or Brodie Kemp. It's a tuff situation for the Suns. The "safe" pick, or the player that could be a match winner and Anderson and Kemp have match winner potential.

For the Suns it does suck the we (the Lions) are out performing expectations. You really needed that second top 10 pick, because you could have gone a Kemp or Anderson at pick 1, and picked up a player in the same mould as Rowell, in Deven Robertson or Caleb Serong, or even a slightly more outside but class player in Dylan Stephens with that second pick.

We’ll get that second top 10/first Rd pick one way or another.

Jack Martin leaving.

Sam day with FA if he gets 500k from someone the AFL will hand pick 2 to us as a good Will gesture even if it doesn’t quite match there magic formula


Will Brodie might get us a late second? If he keeps playing

Everyone else though who will want out won’t hold any value

 

[briztoon]

Apologies - I don't think you meant it to be condescending, it's just how I took it.

With Scott Clayton's draft history I've become risk averse to trying to hit home runs with draft picks.

I actually really like Kemp, but not a fan of Anderson as too inconsistent.

Mate, I'm here for genuine discussion, not to sh!t on your team.

I do have a different view of your teams projected time line than many of your own fans, but that's not a negative towards your team.


As for the comparison discussion, Sam Walsh is on another level to Rowell. Yes they play different, but for me, Rowell is vanilla like Andrew Brayshaw. He's a hard nut clearance specialist, but so is James Worpel, and he went at pick 45.

This is not a strong draft for inside bulls, but there should be quite a number of good inside mids available in the early to middle second round.

I understand what you're saying about being risk adverse with your first pick, but I'd be much happier with a Brodie Kemp as a fan.

 

[Cochblocked]

We’ll get that second top 10/first Rd pick one way or another.

Jack Martin leaving.

Sam day with FA if he gets 500k from someone the AFL will hand pick 2 to us as a good Will gesture even if it doesn’t quite match there magic formula


Will Brodie might get us a late second? If he keeps playing

Everyone else though who will want out won’t hold any value

Not sold on Brodie leaving. He's still contracted and his recent interview sounded good. He should play the rest of the year.

 

[briztoon]

We’ll get that second top 10/first Rd pick one way or another.

Jack Martin leaving.

Sam day with FA if he gets 500k from someone the AFL will hand pick 2 to us as a good Will gesture even if it doesn’t quite match there magic formula


Will Brodie might get us a late second? If he keeps playing

Everyone else though who will want out won’t hold any value

I can tell you, Lions fans were dirty when Rockliff left, and we only received an end of first round compensation pick.

 

[CommittedSuns]

Not sold on Brodie leaving. He's still contracted and his recent interview sounded good. He should play the rest of the year.

Happily let Martin go... he is a good player but he needs a fresh start. Brodie has been good last few weeks I agree we should keep him

 

[Ben Drever]

Not sold on Brodie leaving. He's still contracted and his recent interview sounded good. He should play the rest of the year.

My preference would be to keep him.
But.. he’ll only stay if he keeps his spot.
Don’t blame him.
He is one of a handful of players capable of getting 25touches a game

 

[gcsunsfc]

Vic Metro vs Allies

afl.draftcentral.com.au

Stats from Allies vs.Vic Metro game - bit of a quieter game statistically

Ace - 12 disposals, 2 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal, 1 goal assist
Crossley - 11 disposals, 2 marks, 0 tackles
Gore - 7 disposals, 3 marks, 3 goals
Budarick - 9 disposals, 11 tackles
Koenan - 6 disposals, 0 marks