List Mgmt. 2019 Draft/Trade/FA Thread - Final Wrap

[TheSunGod]

Agree to all that.....my point is/was that Brisbane at the time wasn't a "destination" club so to speak, but for various reasons, as you mentioned, those players chose to move there. I missed Christensen in that too but I think he was bit earlier.
So why is it beyond the realms of possibilities that we can't do similar....Weller is good mates with Langdon and Blakely I believe, Greenwood is testing the waters, Zaharakis may like a move. There's talk of approaching Roughy/Lewis in a playing/mentoring type of role with future employment in coaching and list management the carrots to help achieve that.

it was this quote by Briztoon that was the catalyst for my post......"I’m not sure you’ll attract many better than last years trade ins".

It’s possible we could luck out like the Lions but I doubt we’ll attract the caliber of players they have without some AFL assistance. Right place, right time for them. Roughy and Lewis are cooked, not at Hodge level, Zaharakis is soft, Blakely? Greenwood and Langdon would be good gets, but not Neale / McCarthy level.
More so than attract them we need to keep them on the field. GHS isn’t best 22, neither is Murdoch and also both are injury prone. Hanley has been a bust. Miles and Hombsch are honest toilers. Weller, Witts have been amongst the few wins.

 

[Suns Soldier]

With 3 wins in 2016, and 5 in 2017,18, why did Hodge Neale Adams Cameron Mccarthy want to go to Brisbane with that record. They must have seen something in the list, the coach, the facilities to want to go to a Club with 13 wins out of 66 in those 3 years. And they had wonderful foresight as it turns out so far.
Why can't The Suns do the same......

They are doing that. Have some faith.
Nobody spills the beans until the season is over, not mid season. Many surprises instore...

 

[Choppers]

They are doing that. Have some faith.
Nobody spills the beans until the season is over, not mid season. Many surprises instore...

My post wasn't about my having faith, it was in reply to a poster who insinuated in his post that we weren't in a position to attract players........ "I’m not sure you’ll attract many better than last years trade ins".
And I was trying to say that we are in no worse position than they were. And if Brisbane could do it, and do it well by the way, then we are certainly in a position to do the same.

 

[Luder]

Players I feel comfortable trading or delisting:

Burgess
Dawson
Ellis
Hanley
Heron
Horlin-Smith
Joyce
Leslie
Miles
Miller
Murdoch
Nichols
Rischitelli
Scheer
Schoenfield
Sexton
Wright


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I'd put Sexton and Miller up for trade or at least test the waters - somebody else might want them and we might be able to get something better.

I really highly doubt the Suns would consider trading Miller or Sexton. Miller seems like one of the few die-hard Suns at the club, while being an above average mid. In your position, you don't give up best 22 lightly.
If Sexton were put up for trade, I can guarantee there'd be a ton of clubs leaping at that opportunity. He just kicked 3 in a game where you guys were absolutely demolished. Has kicked 28 goals in 16 games this year, and is one of your more experienced players.

I would have thought Miller and Sexton are towards the top of the list of untradeables at the club

 

[gcsunsfc]

Tom Browne reporting
SPP maybe up for trade from Port.
Is a bulldozer.
Would definitely help Swallow out.
Not sure the Suns could have Swallow Miles and SPP in the same midfield though?

Would add a bit of venom
is a dickhead though
and another player that cannot kick.

 

[gcsunsfc]

I really highly doubt the Suns would consider trading Miller or Sexton. Miller seems like one of the few die-hard Suns at the club, while being an above average mid. In your position, you don't give up best 22 lightly.
If Sexton were put up for trade, I can guarantee there'd be a ton of clubs leaping at that opportunity. He just kicked 3 in a game where you guys were absolutely demolished. Has kicked 28 goals in 16 games this year, and is one of your more experienced players.

I would have thought Miller and Sexton are towards the top of the list of untradeables at the club

Both in the 6-8 man leadership group so not getting traded.

If you think Miller is an above average mid - I'd trade him to you for an above average WB player - Hayden Crozier

 

[gcsunsfc]

With respect, a player like Luko hasn't really put together a body of work at AFL level that seems equitable to an A grader.

When McGowan foolishly lied about Fantasia a couple of weeks ago, my thoughts turned to Conor Rozee as a player whose upside is equitable, but Rozee has proven already that he can play at the top level. You've got people talking about SPP, who looks like his ceiling has been demonstrated, is a definite C grader at best and whose off-field behaviours point to someone who won't help your culture or your youngsters.

If you can pick up two solid B graders from clubs with an excellent culture of preparation and professionalism, and hold on to a couple of quality young players, it should help to position your group well to improve. You could do worse than offering Kade Simpson a year simply for the professionalism and leadership he brings.

FWIW, I'm interested in Wright or King. To trade from our list I'd be looking at Zaharakis, Myers or Hurley, but as was wisely pointed out to me, if they don't want to go you shouldn't force them.

Hope I haven't overstepped the mark. I would also like to see GCFC succeed (I'm originally from that part of the world)

I identify with the need for getting reasonable mature, > C grade talent

Whilst I would love a Hurley or Zaharakis.. There is no way in hell they are worth a top 6 pick who has shown quite a bit for a 85kg key forward in a shit team.
Maybe both of them together with some pick swaps.

 

[Luder]

Both in the 6-8 man leadership group so not getting traded.

If you think Miller is an above average mid - I'd trade him to you for an above average WB player - Hayden Crozier

I don't read sarcasm well, are you implying Miller is elite or crap? Haha

 

[gcsunsfc]

I don't read sarcasm well, are you implying Miller is elite or crap? Haha

I think Miller is a BOG average player. Good leadership qualities around the club so don't think he'd get traded in reality. Purely from an onfield perspective I'd take a true above average player for him though.

 

[briztoon]

With 3 wins in 2016, and 5 in 2017,18, why did Hodge Neale Adams Cameron Mccarthy want to go to Brisbane with that record. They must have seen something in the list, the coach, the facilities to want to go to a Club with 13 wins out of 66 in those 3 years. And they had wonderful foresight as it turns out so far.
Why can't The Suns do the same......

Hodge came up in 2018.

He retired from the Hawks, Fagan called him, asked if he wanted to go in to coaching, or wanted to play on. So Hodge essentially moved up for a post footy career.

We targeted Adams and McCarthy because we felt our rehab and medical team could sort them out. And both players wanted a new start.

Trust me, it’s not the training facilities. We have the leagues worst facilities and everyone knows it. Our gym can only fit 1/3 of the playing list in it at a time and it’s a dungeon under the Gabba. We use 4 seperate facilities and ovals spread across the inner Southside of Brisbane, and players have to drive from one to the other between sessions.

McCarthy is the person who told our recruiters that Neale was get-able.

Neale also wants to move in to coaching post playing career. Neale also became disillusioned with some things that occurred at Fremantle last year, and didn’t want to play in a footy State.

Fagan has a reputation league wide as a great coach of coaches from his time as head of football at Hawthorne.

Players have also seen Fagan coach from the sidelines last season, before it became a trend this season. They’ve seen him walk on the field hug and console players after a loss. They’ve seen him in the post game players circle singing the club song after a rare win last year.


Players want to come here because we have the league recognised top medical and rehab team.

But more importantly because we have Chris Fagan as our head coach.

I’m sorry to say, but Dew is a different type of coach from Fagan. Fagan constantly talks about building relationships with the players. The players say the same thing.

You could read the article that was posted recently about what Lyons experienced when he met with Fagan, compared to how he felt at the Suns.

 

[briztoon]

Christensen came up in 2014, same year as Beams. There were strong rumours that Christensen may have played up with a team mates wife and was encouraged to leave Geelong.

Christensen also talks about needing a new environment to get away from his gambling addiction he had in Geelong.

 

[briztoon]

My post wasn't about my having faith, it was in reply to a poster who insinuated in his post that we weren't in a position to attract players........ "I’m not sure you’ll attract many better than last years trade ins".
And I was trying to say that we are in no worse position than they were. And if Brisbane could do it, and do it well by the way, then we are certainly in a position to do the same.

Choppers I don’t mean to come across as condescending to your team.

And my comment very much revolves around past comments I have made here and had discussions, that I believe as a club, Gold Coast is much more like the Lions of 2015 than the Lions of 2018.

Your current list is very similar to our list back then. Incredibly shallow outside your best 22. And even your best 22 possibly has 4 to 6 players who should be depth players, not best 22.

I’m not sure if Dew is the right coach for the Suns right now. It’s hard gig to walk in to as a first time coach. Maybe he should have had a mentor.

Where’s your head of football during games? It’s stuck out to me that Dew has been very isolated in the coaches box, when he really looked like he needed someone to lean on.

 

[Sun Stormer]

I really highly doubt the Suns would consider trading Miller or Sexton. Miller seems like one of the few die-hard Suns at the club, while being an above average mid. In your position, you don't give up best 22 lightly.
If Sexton were put up for trade, I can guarantee there'd be a ton of clubs leaping at that opportunity. He just kicked 3 in a game where you guys were absolutely demolished. Has kicked 28 goals in 16 games this year, and is one of your more experienced players.

I would have thought Miller and Sexton are towards the top of the list of untradeables at the club

Sexton's goals came in the last quarter when the game was in dead time - hardly sighted when it counted. Testing for trade interest to get better is not a bad move and I certainly don't think of either as untradeable.

 

[Sun Stormer]

Hodge came up in 2018.

He retired from the Hawks, Fagan called him, asked if he wanted to go in to coaching, or wanted to play on. So Hodge essentially moved up for a post footy career.

We targeted Adams and McCarthy because we felt our rehab and medical team could sort them out. And both players wanted a new start.

Trust me, it’s not the training facilities. We have the leagues worst facilities and everyone knows it. Our gym can only fit 1/3 of the playing list in it at a time and it’s a dungeon under the Gabba. We use 4 seperate facilities and ovals spread across the inner Southside of Brisbane, and players have to drive from one to the other between sessions.

McCarthy is the person who told our recruiters that Neale was get-able.

Neale also wants to move in to coaching post playing career. Neale also became disillusioned with some things that occurred at Fremantle last year, and didn’t want to play in a footy State.

Fagan has a reputation league wide as a great coach of coaches from his time as head of football at Hawthorne.

Players have also seen Fagan coach from the sidelines last season, before it became a trend this season. They’ve seen him walk on the field hug and console players after a loss. They’ve seen him in the post game players circle singing the club song after a rare win last year.


Players want to come here because we have the league recognised top medical and rehab team.

But more importantly because we have Chris Fagan as our head coach.

I’m sorry to say, but Dew is a different type of coach from Fagan. Fagan constantly talks about building relationships with the players. The players say the same thing.

You could read the article that was posted recently about what Lyons experienced when he met with Fagan, compared to how he felt at the Suns.

Pass the word to Hodgey that he'd be welcome down here as a coach with somebody as a mentor (eg Leigh Matthews) to assist. Watch the players line up to come up here and play then.

 

[briztoon]

Pass the word to Hodgey that he'd be welcome down here as a coach with somebody as a mentor (eg Leigh Matthews) to assist. Watch the players line up to come up here and play then.

Think we might keep him. He's got his part time coach, part time media gig all sorted for next year.

There's some in the AFL media who are doing their best to put our footy manager David Noble, name out there as a potential coach for St Kilda. They can gagf, as we'd like to keep our current set up for a few years to get some stability.

 

[ghostdog]

I identify with the need for getting reasonable mature, > C grade talent

Whilst I would love a Hurley or Zaharakis.. There is no way in hell they are worth a top 6 pick who has shown quite a bit for a 85kg key forward in a s**t team.
Maybe both of them together with some pick swaps.

Rozee: 20 goals from 16 games
Lukosius: 3 goals from 15 games

Zaharakis is a best and fairest winner while Hurley is twice All Australian. Zaharakis has a Rising Star nomination and Hurley has two.

With respect, I understand the frustration about the young talent being poached. If the consensus is that you need experience and leadership on the field, both of these players are very reasonable.

Lukosius, by comparison, hasn't demonstrated anything. Shown some promise in a handful of games. We see the same at EFC with Parish - a pick 5 who has only really started to show some mettle this year.

You won't receive two seasoned and successful afl standard players for an 18 year old who just got here, without something else going the other way, and that is a bitter pill.

In any case, I hope it can all work out for you. FWIW, many on our board feared losing Parish to Brisbane for a while because he and Mathieson are mates, like McLuggage and Berry. Might be something in that.

 

[CommittedSuns]

Rozee: 20 goals from 16 games
Lukosius: 3 goals from 15 games

Zaharakis is a best and fairest winner while Hurley is twice All Australian. Zaharakis has a Rising Star nomination and Hurley has two.

With respect, I understand the frustration about the young talent being poached. If the consensus is that you need experience and leadership on the field, both of these players are very reasonable.

Lukosius, by comparison, hasn't demonstrated anything. Shown some promise in a handful of games. We see the same at EFC with Parish - a pick 5 who has only really started to show some mettle this year.

You won't receive two seasoned and successful afl standard players for an 18 year old who just got here, without something else going the other way, and that is a bitter pill.

In any case, I hope it can all work out for you. FWIW, many on our board feared losing Parish to Brisbane for a while because he and Mathieson are mates, like McLuggage and Berry. Might be something in that.

It is worth noting Lukosius has been playing a fair chunk of the time at half back unlike Rooze

 

[eppo67]

Christensen came up in 2014, same year as Beams. There were strong rumours that Christensen may have played up with a team mates wife and was encouraged to leave Geelong.

Christensen also talks about needing a new environment to get away from his gambling addiction he had in Geelong.

Correct

 

[eppo67]

Sexton's goals came in the last quarter when the game was in dead time - hardly sighted when it counted. Testing for trade interest to get better is not a bad move and I certainly don't think of either as untradeable.

I watched Sexton closely he ran his guts out trying to defend. He's great around the Club and if people can't work out a player of his type suffers under a defensive /congested game plan they know very little about Australian Rules football structures.

 

[ghostdog]

It is worth noting Lukosius has been playing a fair chunk of the time at half back unlike Rooze

Even so, his tackle and disposal numbers for hb in a team that has had to play defensively, compared to a hf;
Rozee averages:
15 disposals
3.5 marks
4 tackles

Lukosius averages:
10 disposals
4 marks
2 tackles

 

[CommittedSuns]

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Even so, his tackle and disposal numbers for hb in a team that has had to play defensively, compared to a hf;
Rozee averages:
15 disposals
3.5 marks
4 tackles

Lukosius averages:
10 disposals
4 marks
2 tackles

There is no disputing Rozee has been the better two of this season. But going back to you’re original argument Zaharakis and Hurley whilst great players and have runs on the board aren’t the demographic of players the suns are looking for. There a bit old by the tooth

 

[briztoon]

Rozee: 20 goals from 16 games
Lukosius: 3 goals from 15 games

Zaharakis is a best and fairest winner while Hurley is twice All Australian. Zaharakis has a Rising Star nomination and Hurley has two.

With respect, I understand the frustration about the young talent being poached. If the consensus is that you need experience and leadership on the field, both of these players are very reasonable.

Lukosius, by comparison, hasn't demonstrated anything. Shown some promise in a handful of games. We see the same at EFC with Parish - a pick 5 who has only really started to show some mettle this year.

You won't receive two seasoned and successful afl standard players for an 18 year old who just got here, without something else going the other way, and that is a bitter pill.

In any case, I hope it can all work out for you. FWIW, many on our board feared losing Parish to Brisbane for a while because he and Mathieson are mates, like McLuggage and Berry. Might be something in that.

Parish was a gun in his first year when he played through the middle, while most of your list was suspended for a year.

Now he’s being played through the midfield, on ball again, he’s showing his true worth.

Hope you draft a decent kid with the Collingwood first round pick we send your way for Parish.

 

[SandyToes]

I watched Sexton closely he ran his guts out trying to defend. He's great around the Club and if people can't work out a player of his type suffers under a defensive /congested game plan they know very little about Australian Rules football structures.

What he's done with the opportunities he's had is astounding
He works his guts out
First 5 picked in my team every week

 

[eppo67]

What he's done with the opportunities he's had is astounding
He works his guts out
First 5 picked in my team every week

He would kick 50 + goals in a scoring team

 

[Jirik13]

I watched Sexton closely he ran his guts out trying to defend. He's great around the Club and if people can't work out a player of his type suffers under a defensive /congested game plan they know very little about Australian Rules football structures.

Agree. In the last quarter I could not believe how hard he chased until the last second together with Lemmens, Miller. And for sure it's no fun when every time we have the ball we turn it over, we chase, opposition score, repeat.

Sexton is a number one target for opposition in our forward line. Yes, sometimes he is trying to do too much on his own but most teams would be very happy to have him. He is our best scorer, probably our best runner, entering his prime. To trade him would be plainly stupid. And we would get only a pick back as no quality player will come at the moment most probably. How does that help us? Besides he loves the club and is great around.