2019 Draft

[Wrenny]

The knock re his disposal by foot probably has a fair bit to do with the fact he played so much junior basketball. Get him into an AFL system and that can be improved.
Making a late charge I reckon to be the first name we call out

Seen quite a bit of footage and highlights from Jay. He does alot of things right but for me his technique is all wrong. Fair enough if you turn it over if you're getting the ball from a contested situation and throwing it forward on your boot but these mistakes are from when he is in space and has time. One 'highlight' has him kicking into the man on the mark and then getting it back and scuffing the ground with the very next kick. I'm not saying he won't pick it up but he has heaps to work on with his skills and I'd rather draft and elite/above average kick at our first pick.

 

[Roksman]

Seriously, this thread was a perfect discussion about the Draft, why is it being hijacked with absolute nonsense from a condescending Saints fan?

 

[_RT_]

Thats a fantastic question RT. My answer is it's because draft picks have become a liquid equity market since the introduction of FS, NGA, Futures and Live trading, with next year supposedly being the standout example thus far.

Since the Tiges have an excess of picks, they'll be wanting to consolidate the equity into some higher picks, though that may be possible to do with all your picks and you'll end up with a remainder that's wasted.

If it doesn't hurt your 2019 draft goals, your list manager will look to shift any potentially wasted equity into 2020 where it can be recycled into a trade or better pick. Much the same as collecting your lose change each year, or paying a mortgage for those who are lucky enough to attain the privilege.

Your list management will be well on top of it. Supporters not so much, but that's everywhere..

We don't have an excess of picks, we have 5 list vacancies and will fill them with our current picks at 19 38 39 41 & 56, so our list management team isn't going to give up our second pick in the draft at the end of the second round to get the Saints mid 3rd round pick this year and their 4th round pick in next years draft, no matter how much you wish for it to happen.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Ok we're almost there.
Now you'll just need to do that maths that l spoke about.
3rd time lucky my man. Get some thongs on if you feel the need..

Let's see if I get the maths straight. We'll assume Richmond finishes first next year and St Kilda 10th, to be generous to you.

So, what you propose is that Richmond would trade pick 38 this year and pick 72 next year, for pick 51 this year and pick 64 next year. Do I have that right? Picks 38 and 72 for 51 and 64. Because we want 'equity' in next year's heavily compromised draft and we think a pick in the 60s will be valuable enough to give away a pick in the top 40 of this quite deep draft. Do I have that right? How's my maths?

I love your rationalisation that our pick 38 will be pushed back three spots, while your pick 51 will rise four spots. That's some complex maths right there, imaginary numbers and all.

 

[Mr Magic]

Thats a fantastic question RT. My answer is it's because draft picks have become a liquid equity market since the introduction of FS, NGA, Futures and Live trading, with next year supposedly being the standout example thus far.

Since the Tiges have an excess of picks, they'll be wanting to consolidate the equity into some higher picks, though that may be possible to do with all your picks and you'll end up with a remainder that's wasted.

If it doesn't hurt your 2019 draft goals, your list manager will look to shift any potentially wasted equity into 2020 where it can be recycled into a trade or better pick. Much the same as collecting your lose change each year, or paying a mortgage for those who are lucky enough to attain the privilege.

Your list management will be well on top of it. Supporters not so much, but that's everywhere..

What happens if clubs want our 19 or want to trade back to 38 in a live draft?

I doubt RFC will keep those picks once the bid reaches that point because its a bit risky. Thats three picks at the one point in the draft pool lending RFC to draft pool distribution risk.

Club like North with two or three picks together might think one of the players they wanted is not there we will trade back or go into future 2020.

Gold Coast might not want pick 20 or a player there

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Seen quite a bit of footage and highlights from Jay. He does alot of things right but for me his technique is all wrong. Fair enough if you turn it over if you're getting the ball from a contested situation and throwing it forward on your boot but these mistakes are from when he is in space and has time. One 'highlight' has him kicking into the man on the mark and then getting it back and scuffing the ground with the very next kick. I'm not saying he won't pick it up but he has heaps to work on with his skills and I'd rather draft and elite/above average kick at our first pick.

Good points Wrenny.
I think whoever we take with our first is going to have some deficiencies. In a weak draft we are not in play til early 20s

I agree elite foot skills are important but imo you need to be able to win the ball first. No good being the best kick in the competition if you can’t get the pill.

Players that can rack up the possessions (inside or outside) and are great kicks are going to be gone by our pick.

I’d particularly stay away from kids that have low possession rates in under age football regardless of their foot skills. If they struggle at junior level how are they going to go under pressure st the elite level

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Well considering that Freo,GWS & Hawks will all avoid bids on their kids it looks about correct

Im hoping there will be surprises and it doesnt go to their mock draft order

Interesting ...... from the AFL site

The Giants face the sticky and complicated situation of going into the most significant Draft Value Index (DVI) deficit in the system's five years of existence, depending on where a bid is placed on their Academy gun Tom Green.Rival clubs believe local foes Sydney – who holds pick No.5 in next week's draft – is the most likely team to call Green's name on Wednesday night, which would force GWS to find 1502 DVI points to match the bid.
However, after that particular selection, the Giants currently hold picks No.40, 59, 60, 80 and 94 later in the draft. Collectively, that equates to just 733 DVI points.

It means that all of those picks would be shifted to the back end of the draft order, while the club would still need to find a further 769 DVI points the following season to match the bid for Green.

While the numbers can be confusing, the bottom line is that it could leave the Giants facing the daunting prospect of starting next year's player movement period without a single pick until the third or potentially even the fourth round of the 2020 national draft.

That is in part due to the complicating factor that GWS traded its 2020 first-round selection in a deal with Adelaide on Tuesday in an effort to snare pick No.4 and potentially leapfrog a bid on Green.

I'd Luv the Swans to trade with the Dees.Pick 5 & 25 for pick 3.
Swans bid Green and in the process stuff the x town Plastics.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Not necessarily. Depends if they stand up. Might just play Dusty, JR, smalls and see what happens while Lynch comes back.

Might even bring in CCJ and drop one of the other rucks

yeah you may well be right.

personally i cant see it, i think dimma and co. are happy with the x2 ruck x2 tall forward stucuture

you can't replace a lynch / martin with a 23rd/24rd/25th best player but im guessing it will be a CCJ/Balta -> Lynch, RCD/Ross -> Martin 'like for like' type replacement.

hopefully the stars have a bit of luck with injury this season

 

[Mr Magic]

yeah you may well be right.

personally i cant see it, i think dimma and co. are happy with the x2 ruck x2 tall forward stucuture

you can replace a lynch / martin with a 23rd/24rd/25th best player but im guessing it will be a CCJ/Balta -> Lynch, RCD/Ross -> Martin 'like for like' type replacement.

hopefully the stars have a bit of luck with injury this season

People talk about the system but at the end of the day the likes of Dusty shone in the GF!!

Talent and ability drives a lot of performance to along with effort.

If Dusty goes down as well as Lynch, probably put a few guys out to pasture to get ready for 2021

Some of the structures are dependent on certain level of ability from certain players.

Players win the matches at the end of the day!!!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Did anyone think that out of last years draft we would have picked up Ross, Stack and Pickett?

Genuine question.

 

[ScrappyDo]

We don't have an excess of picks, we have 5 list vacancies and will fill them with our current picks at 19 38 39 41 & 56, so our list management team isn't going to give up our second pick in the draft at the end of the second round to get the Saints mid 3rd round pick this year and their 4th round pick in next years draft, no matter how much you wish for it to happen.

I never actually claimed they would, l just thought the saints should be targeting one of your picks.

But if for example your club's draft targets are projected to go at picks 40, 45, and 55, then they wouldn't use their pick 40 to take that guy projected at 55.
They would look to trade down a bit and bank the difference.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

While its an exciting time next week for many young footballers, lets spare a moment for the blokes drafted by Carlton next week. Poor bastards.

 

[db26]

Take the safe bet for me at 19 the kid has to kick not us teaching him Randall fine tuning etc ok .There will be plenty of sliders at 19 make no mistake same at or 3 picks later on.Cooper Stephens looks big and strong kicking looks fine to me.

Dyson Hilder KPB seems to be sliding hope he is at our picks later on.

 

[Marcel Proust]

mods can we change / add to the title to "no saints fans" pls

 

[Marcel Proust]

People talk about the system but at the end of the day the likes of Dusty shone in the GF!!

Talent and ability drives a lot of performance to along with effort.

If Dusty goes down as well as Lynch, probably put a few guys out to pasture to get ready for 2021

Some of the structures are dependent on certain level of ability from certain players.

Players win the matches at the end of the day!!!

thats what i thought when rance went down but then we wont the flag so idk

 

[tiger8them]

pick 19 Harry Schoenberg or Elijah Taylor

 

[_RT_]

I never actually claimed they would, l just thought the saints should be targeting one of your picks.

But if for example your club's draft targets are projected to go at picks 40, 45, and 55, then they wouldn't use their pick 40 to take that guy projected at 55.
They would look to trade down a bit and bank the difference.

WTF are you on about?

Our recruiters will have their list of 75-80 players and we'll simply take the player we rate the highest on our list at our pick, not where phantom drafts project them to go.

So if the kid we rate at 30 is still on the board when pick 38 rolls around we're going to take them, if the player we rated at 31 is on the board with the next pick we'll take him and so on.

Now I think it's time you run along before the nurses come back and discover you've got access to the asylums computer.

 

[Mr Magic]

thats what i thought when rance went down but then we wont the flag so idk

Yeah but Grimes was underrated and I think defence if different.

Interesting to see how Townsend goes if he gets to Essendon.

Rioli kicked a great goal in the GF, Bolton, took a great mark v Brisbane , Dusty goals where accurate in the GF..

 

[Grrr]

The knock re his disposal by foot probably has a fair bit to do with the fact he played so much junior basketball. Get him into an AFL system and that can be improved.
Making a late charge I reckon to be the first name we call out

He kicks like a basketballer, certainly not a natural which to me is a worry. Kicking is super important in a high draft pick.

 

[Calcium Man]

He kicks like a basketballer, certainly not a natural which to me is a worry. Kicking is super important in a high draft pick.

Dangerfield??

 

[tigs2010]

Dangerfield??

Can Rantall surf in a suit to make up for his kicking?

 

[Grrr]

Dangerfield??

Dnagerfield's kicking style is 'normal' and there are plenty of worse kicks around. Half of the problem with Dangerfield is that he carries the team on his shoulders. Rantall kicking style is pretty ugly for such a potential high draft pick. Our worst kick is probably Lambert in that he doesn't kick it far or very creatively, but his style is okay. Even dead eye Castagna looks good enough on the eye.

 

[Tygrys]

Seriously, this thread was a perfect discussion about the Draft, why is it being hijacked with absolute nonsense from a condescending Saints fan?

I’m sorry that’s my fault I quoted something from the saints draft forum that talked about how they might be able to secure one of our picks. I thought it was worth ireposting because of wide eyed optimism of the proposed trade (so optimistic I found it a bit amusing).

Anyhow the guy who posted it didn’t crash this thread, he just exercised his right of reply. Sorry if what I did caused any annoyance down the track.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Okay for all you Draft watchers...
I need to be reassured about all this talk concerning Draft Sliders...
Can someone in the know post the names of so called draft sliders in the 2018/19 draft...
Just so I can expect we will get a good pick!

 

[ScrappyDo]

Let's see if I get the maths straight. We'll assume Richmond finishes first next year and St Kilda 10th, to be generous to you.

So, what you propose is that Richmond would trade pick 38 this year and pick 72 next year, for pick 51 this year and pick 64 next year. Do I have that right? Picks 38 and 72 for 51 and 64. Because we want 'equity' in next year's heavily compromised draft and we think a pick in the 60s will be valuable enough to give away a pick in the top 40 of this quite deep draft. Do I have that right? How's my maths?

I love your rationalisation that our pick 38 will be pushed back three spots, while your pick 51 will rise four spots. That's some complex maths right there, imaginary numbers and all.

Its great you've understood the rationale, but it's odd that you've then not incorporated it into your equations. But your maths was great btw.

Though it's not my rationale at all, but belonged Shifter Sheehan and Twomey, so it was used as a basis to the discussion, being a neutral educated 3rd party opinion and all.

Anyway, to simplify it lets use your 4th pick instead, number 42 after bidding.
Saints have two future 4ths from Sydney and Port, so I'll call the best one pick 60 and use that.

So would you see a case for giving up 42 & 72 for 47 & 60?
It doesn't really seem too outrageous to me. It would just depend on who your club is targeting.